Update: Flag replaced. I need to report a crime

[Narmer]

311 did nothing. However, there is a brand spanking new American flag on the building. I'm not sure whether it was my insistence on them changing the flag or my call to the various newspapers that finally got them to replace Old Glory. But what's done is done.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

It's actually a Federal Crime to display the American Flag that way.

Perhaps this doesn't matter to you because american's are patriots and Kiwis are criminals ... you know... the whole.... Austrailia was a prison thing...

No. 1st Ammendment trumps any such law. THINK!

Also...

From the congressional report, The United States Flag: Federal Law Relating to Display and Associated Questions, found here: http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf

"The Code is designed “for the use of such civilian groups or
organizations as may not be required to conform with regulations promulgated by one
or more executive departments” of the federal government.3 Thus, the Flag Code
does not prescribe any penalties for non-compliance nor does it include enforcement
provisions; rather the Code functions simply as a guide to be voluntarily followed by
civilians and civilian groups."

 

[SphinxnihpS]

this.

R-tard.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

for now..

The most recent attempt to adopt a flag desecration amendment failed in the United States Senate by one vote on June 27, 2006.

It will pass .. someday soon..

..and then be promptly and PROPERLY thrown right the fuck out by the USSC. THINK MAN!

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Do0d, there's no Gestapo to report this to, there's really no one at all. As was said, it's a crime with no penalty.

And, hey, for a country as huge and contentiously diverse as ours, we are pretty damn free.

Not allowing a tattered and torn flag to remain flapping carelessly in the wind is all about etiquette and respect. A lot of young men died in the Civil War and WWI and WWII to preserve our rights and freedoms as symbolized by Old Glory.

And yeah, our symbol has taken some credibility hits in the last several decades from the disgraceful and unnecessary acts of more than one administration, it's true.

These days, "patriotism" has been appropriated by a certain reactionary part of the political spectrum and has been ignorantly wielded as a cudgel against those they disagree with, giving credence to Samuel Johnson's dictum that, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

This kind of angry, ignorant hyper-patriotism is sad, because I grew up in a time and place where people proudly and unselfconsciously displayed the flag on the Fourth of July and Flag Day and Memorial Day and Veterans Day in a simple, heartfelt, apolitical appreciation for all the opportunities living in the United States of America had afforded them.

It's ignorant that this company ignores all this, and they should be shamed into fixing it.

I have a poem for you. I hope you like it.

"next to of course god america i
love you land of the pilgrims' and so forth oh
say can you see by the dawn's early my
country 'tis of centuries come and go
and are no more what of it we should worry
in every language even deafanddumb
thy sons acclaim your glorious name by gorry
by jingo by gee by gosh by gum
why talk of beauty what could be more beaut-
iful than these heroic happy dead
who rushed like lions to the roaring slaughter
they did not stop to think they died instead
then shall the voice of liberty be mute?"

He spoke. And drank rapidly a glass of water

 

[SphinxnihpS]

If someone is burning the flag to say "Fuck You America, you suck" ..

then yes... i do not agree with it.. and if i saw that person doing it .. i'd punch them in the fucking nustsack.

Nevermind guyver, you're clearly a moron.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Find someone who speaks english and half them report it four you.

Eye sea what ewe did they're.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Last word:

Jingoist. Have fun with that guyver and Narmer.

 

[Perknose]

311 did nothing. However, there is a brand spanking new American flag on the building. I'm not sure whether it was my insistence on them changing the flag or my call to the various newspapers that finally got them to replace Old Glory. But what's done is done.

I sincerely wish to thank you personally for stepping up and doing the right thing. It could be that it merely took them some time to source a proper replacement. :thumbsup:

Anyone who thinks symbolism isn't also important or that casual disrespect doesn't breed more disrespect which only breeds worse, in a sad cycle of descent into the wasteland of ignorant asshole slacker shit-tardism can kiss my flag thong . . . while I'm wearing it.

Old Glory stands for all that is right and good in America, even if we don't always live up to it.

It is well and good, it is very American that those who wish to protest the wrongs of our government be allowed to burn her in protest, and it is well and good that we don't put anyone in jail for any flag related actions, but it is also well and good that those of us who care about her and all the ideals she stands for endeavor to make sure that this symbol of our nearly 200 plus year experiment in "Of the people, for the people, and by the people" not be defaced or abused out of mere ignorance or neglect.

Folks, it's why you remove stains from your clothing and comb your hair and get that spinach out from between your teeth before you go out. Guys, it's why you zip your fly. Appearances aren't the be all and end all, but they do also matter. Respect breeds respect.

Those who came before us sacrificed a lot, and many gave their all. I have been privileged to know more than a few of them. They did this so that we could luxuriate in the relative safety and prosperity we enjoy and yak our every little thought out on this forum.

Our flag is the visible embodiment of their sacrifice and of our highest, purest ideals, may she ever wave proudly and free.

Symbols matter.

 

[Beev]

It's a fucking flag. Who gives a shit?

Blunt-ness aside, it really is just a god damn flag. All a flag is for (to me) is identifying a country. Nothing more. People that cling to traditions are ridiculously retarded. Our flag isn't sacred. No flag is. No religious text is.

I'm going to go buy a cheap $1 flag from a gas station on my way home today, then I'm going to wipe my ass with it (and then face the outrageous federal consequences, which will never be the same). Guess who's going to get hurt from it? NO ONE. Stupid fucking people need to stop caring about what other people do.

 

[AstroManLuca]

ROFL at this thread.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Symbols matter.

They sure do...

 

[sourceninja]

I'd argue that the people who died in the Civil war died to create a federalist government more so than to preserve our rights. They were fighting a people who (as much as I don't agree with slavery) where exercising their rights and were in many ways holding to a true the style of government the founders envisioned. (IE, small federal government, big state government).

There of course were other factors at stake beyond just states rights (slavery comes to mind). But I still see that war at it's core as a way to flip flop the US from small federal influence to large federal influence. Something that I personally feel is dragging this country down the drain with each passing session of congress.

 

[Perknose]

I have a poem for you. I hope you like it.

"next to of course god america i
love you land of the pilgrims' and so forth oh
say can you see by the dawn's early my
country 'tis of centuries come and go
and are no more what of it we should worry
in every language even deafanddumb
thy sons acclaim your glorious name by gorry
by jingo by gee by gosh by gum
why talk of beauty what could be more beaut-
iful than these heroic happy dead
who rushed like lions to the roaring slaughter
they did not stop to think they died instead
then shall the voice of liberty be mute?"

He spoke. And drank rapidly a glass of water

I LOVE ee and know him better than you do. You are attempting to stand on the lower case shoulders of a literary giant.

It's a damn good poem and tells an important piece of our story. You, however, are naught but a loogie let loose on the sidewalk, the price the rest of us pay for the liberty afforded by the 1st amendment.

Your puny little asshole negativism gets a free ride, like a baby strapped into a child's seat in the car who does nothing to further the journey but throws up on the upholstery and whines and cries anyway.

There, there, little spaznips, does your diaper need changing?

 

[oddyager]

It's a fucking flag. Who gives a shit?

Blunt-ness aside, it really is just a god damn flag. All a flag is for (to me) is identifying a country. Nothing more. People that cling to traditions are ridiculously retarded. Our flag isn't sacred. No flag is. No religious text is.

I'm going to go buy a cheap $1 flag from a gas station on my way home today, then I'm going to wipe my ass with it (and then face the outrageous federal consequences, which will never be the same). Guess who's going to get hurt from it? NO ONE. Stupid fucking people need to stop caring about what other people do.

Then why the hell are you responding to his thread?

 

[Aharami]

Do0d, there's no Gestapo to report this to, there's really no one at all. As was said, it's a crime with no penalty.

And, hey, for a country as huge and contentiously diverse as ours, we are pretty damn free.

Not allowing a tattered and torn flag to remain flapping carelessly in the wind is all about etiquette and respect. A lot of young men died in the Civil War and WWI and WWII to preserve our rights and freedoms as symbolized by Old Glory.

And yeah, our symbol has taken some credibility hits in the last several decades from the disgraceful and unnecessary acts of more than one administration, it's true.

These days, "patriotism" has been appropriated by a certain reactionary part of the political spectrum and has been ignorantly wielded as a cudgel against those they disagree with, giving credence to Samuel Johnson's dictum that, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

This kind of angry, ignorant hyper-patriotism is sad, because I grew up in a time and place where people proudly and unselfconsciously displayed the flag on the Fourth of July and Flag Day and Memorial Day and Veterans Day in a simple, heartfelt, apolitical appreciation for all the opportunities living in the United States of America had afforded them.

It's ignorant that this company ignores all this, and they should be shamed into fixing it.

:thumbsup:

While I don't consider myself a huge patriot, I think having to pay for and earn the citizenship of this fine country (naturalized citizen, reciting the pledge of allegiance during the naturalization ceremony sent shivers down my spine) makes me appreciate the rights and benefits afforded by the citizenship a bit more than some of people here who are born into it.

It bothers me a whole lot seeing a torn and tattered flag being flown. It is merely a sign of respect for the country, regardless of political affiliation.

 

[Beev]

Then why the hell are you responding to his thread?

Because it's a forum for discussion...?

Did you seriously just ask that question? It's not like I posted a "Who cares?" I posted my opinion on the matter, which is what the hell a forum is for.

 

[destrekor]

Do0d, there's no Gestapo to report this to, there's really no one at all. As was said, it's a crime with no penalty.

And, hey, for a country as huge and contentiously diverse as ours, we are pretty damn free.

Not allowing a tattered and torn flag to remain flapping carelessly in the wind is all about etiquette and respect. A lot of young men died in the Civil War and WWI and WWII to preserve our rights and freedoms as symbolized by Old Glory.

And yeah, our symbol has taken some credibility hits in the last several decades from the disgraceful and unnecessary acts of more than one administration, it's true.

These days, "patriotism" has been appropriated by a certain reactionary part of the political spectrum and has been ignorantly wielded as a cudgel against those they disagree with, giving credence to Samuel Johnson's dictum that, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

This kind of angry, ignorant hyper-patriotism is sad, because I grew up in a time and place where people proudly and unselfconsciously displayed the flag on the Fourth of July and Flag Day and Memorial Day and Veterans Day in a simple, heartfelt, apolitical appreciation for all the opportunities living in the United States of America had afforded them.

It's ignorant that this company ignores all this, and they should be shamed into fixing it.

I could not have said that any better myself.

It would have been longer, I'm sure of it. Undoubtedly, it would have also been less eloquent.

 

[oddyager]

Because it's a forum for discussion...?

Did you seriously just ask that question? It's not like I posted a "Who cares?" I posted my opinion on the matter, which is what the hell a forum is for.

No. He asked who he can report this to and it became an unnecessary discussion.

 

[Beev]

No. He asked who he can report this to and it became an unnecessary discussion.

So then why not call out every other post in this thread that isn't on topic with the OP?

 

[SphinxnihpS]

I LOVE ee and know him better than you do. You are attempting to stand on the lower case shoulders of a literary giant.

It's a damn good poem and tells an important piece of our story. You, however, are naught but a loogie let loose on the sidewalk, the price the rest of us pay for the liberty afforded by the 1st amendment.

Your puny little asshole negativism gets a free ride, like a baby strapped into a child's seat in the car who does nothing to further the journey but throws up on the upholstery and whines and cries anyway.

There, there, little spaznips, does your diaper need changing?

You know ee cummings better than I do? That poem is basically the antithises of your flowery diatribe, sun moon stars rain.

 

[BeauJangles]

It's a fucking flag. Who gives a shit?

Blunt-ness aside, it really is just a god damn flag. All a flag is for (to me) is identifying a country. Nothing more. People that cling to traditions are ridiculously retarded. Our flag isn't sacred. No flag is. No religious text is.

I'm going to go buy a cheap $1 flag from a gas station on my way home today, then I'm going to wipe my ass with it (and then face the outrageous federal consequences, which will never be the same). Guess who's going to get hurt from it? NO ONE. Stupid fucking people need to stop caring about what other people do.

Thankfully, our laws would protect your right to wipe your ass with the flag. Just like they'd protect your right to fly it upside down, make clothes out of it, or use it as a place mat.

Personally, I think that there are tasteful exercises of our first amendment rights and tasteless expressions. Case in point: The Westboro Baptist Church. Sure, they have the right to do what they do, but most decent people wouldn't.

 

[erikistired]

R-tard.

get back in your prison cell and stop bothering the free people.

 

[Beev]

Thankfully, our laws would protect your right to wipe your ass with the flag. Just like they'd protect your right to fly it upside down, make clothes out of it, or use it as a place mat.

Personally, I think that there are tasteful exercises of our first amendment rights and tasteless expressions. Case in point: The Westboro Baptist Church. Sure, they have the right to do what they do, but most decent people wouldn't.

I was being facetious. I'm not really going to wipe my ass with a flag, but I wouldn't care if someone else did because I shouldn't care.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

311 did nothing. However, there is a brand spanking new American flag on the building. I'm not sure whether it was my insistence on them changing the flag or my call to the various newspapers that finally got them to replace Old Glory. But what's done is done.

You must have an easy fucking life to waste your time on shit like this.