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pontifex

Lifer
Dec 5, 2000
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wpa without psk? my router doesn't support that.

it only allows WEP

TKIP with WPA-PSK
or AES with WPA-PSK
 

atomicacid55

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Jan 10, 2006
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Why the hell do people need to download 320gb in a month. I'm not complaining about the OP but to everyone who claims they download well more than that.

Even if you watch 5 TV shows a week adn you get the 720p rip on torrent, that's 5GB a week totalling to 25gb a month at most. Let's say you're a pirater and you get 1 game a week at 1 DVD per game, and that's 8gb * 4 per month. Still doesn't add up. Ok, so your cravings are strong and you want pr0n and so you get lots of that. How about like 10gb a month for that.

That's still at something like 60 - 70gb. ~300gb a month? I only have 960gb of storage total. I don't see how it's possible.
 

SludgeFactory

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Sep 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: j00fek
i go thru 1TB/mo

screw comcast get roadrunner

Heh, I wish. Do many people actually have a choice of more than one cable company? Even when I lived in Atlanta there was only one option.

90%+ of what I download is from usenet. I had roadrunner up until this month, it was a dream compared to the Comcast. With Comcast you get a pathetic 2GB worth of news and so far speed has varied from 1-2 Mb, it's so pitiful I'm suspecting they're throttling connections to 3rd party newsservers.

The roadrunner newsserver had 90+ day retention, no limits, and with Astraweb I could pull stuff at 4.5 Mbit :(
 

SKORPI0

Lifer
Jan 18, 2000
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Originally posted by: atomicacid55
Why the hell do people need to download 320gb in a month.
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That's still at something like 60 - 70gb. ~300gb a month? I only have 960gb of storage total. I don't see how it's possible.
Hi-Def TV uses about 6-9 GB/1 hour episode. HD Movies up to 20GB with a high bitrate. So it eventually ads up. With the 8.8 mbps (or even 16 mb in other areas) DL speed offered by Comcast it does not take long to DL/use 320GB if you know where to look. 30GB/day is possible at that speed 24/7. OF course since broadband cable is a shared resource compared to DSL, speed slows down when other people in your area go on-line.
 

jorak

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Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
Originally posted by: spidey07
You left out that key bit of information.

So YOU downloaded all this stuff with their old modem? Usage is tied to the cable modem's mac, so as far as their account is concerned you were using their service.

Usage is tied to A MAC address on the account. That MAC is normally one from one of the PC's connecting to the internet via the cable modem (when not using a router). Yes, the cable modem can have a MAC but the service will only work when the MAC address at the head-end matches to the PC attempting to connect. This is why you have to clone a MAC address or call in the MAC address of a spiffy new router or PC you just got. He could have aided in the 320gb total if he took the modem, knew their MAC address and changed his PC's MAC to that and was on the same node as they were. Once he (or someone else) takes the modem and attempts to connect on a different node, the service will not work and you have to call in to tech service. I've personally done that before (used a neightbor's cable modem once) and verified the way it works through some higher-level techie type friends that work at ComCast.

*edit: if anyone with higher-level knowledge of the inner-workings of ComCasts technical details sees error in my post, I will gladly change :) *


your friend is totally wrong. It's based on the modem's mac, not a PC's mac.
 

SludgeFactory

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Sep 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: SKORPI0
Hi-Def TV uses about 6-9 GB/1 hour episode. HD Movies up to 20GB with a high bitrate. So it eventually ads up. With the 8.8 mbps (or even 16 mb in other areas) DL speed offered by Comcast it does not take long to DL/use 320GB if you know where to look. 30GB/day is possible at that speed 24/7. OF course since broadband cable is a shared resource compared to DSL, speed slows down when other people in your area go on-line.

Yeah, 3 DVD's a day would do well over 320 GB/month. If you get into HD movies it could be dramatically more.

I'm not saying that it's right, legal, or even very sane to collect more A/V media than any one person can consume in 3 lifetimes, but I can see how some people can put up huge download totals every month.

I'm sure there are legitimate ways to hit 300 or 500 GB/month or more, I just can't think of many besides the tried and true "Linux distros, bitch" excuse. Maybe somebody could enlighten me :)
 

Special K

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Jun 18, 2000
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Originally posted by: SKORPI0
Originally posted by: atomicacid55
Why the hell do people need to download 320gb in a month.
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That's still at something like 60 - 70gb. ~300gb a month? I only have 960gb of storage total. I don't see how it's possible.
Hi-Def TV uses about 6-9 GB/1 hour episode. HD Movies up to 20GB with a high bitrate. So it eventually ads up. With the 8.8 mbps (or even 16 mb in other areas) DL speed offered by Comcast it does not take long to DL/use 320GB if you know where to look. 30GB/day is possible at that speed 24/7. OF course since broadband cable is a shared resource compared to DSL, speed slows down when other people in your area go on-line.

DSL is also shared. Our house was one of the first houses to get SW Bell DSL when it was offered in our area, and as time went on our speeds started to drop dramatically. All of the SB techs we spoke to told us SW Bell oversold their bandwidth and would have to upgrade to meet the demand. You aren't guaranteed anything except a max with DSL.
 

JEDI

Lifer
Sep 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: Ktulu
Remove your security and mac filtering and tell them you had an open wireless network. Unless you already told them you had a secure network, then you just screwed yourself.

yup, just tell them it wasnt you, but you have a wireless network, and someone piggybaked on it.

btw is 320gig d/l gets a dsl provider upset?!
 

torpid

Lifer
Sep 14, 2003
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Their terms of service state that if you do something that affects the performance for other customers then they can cut you off. Something like that anyway. So they don't have to specify a limit since it would depend on the location.
 

wasssup

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Nov 28, 2000
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320gb/month is nothing..granted I don't download even close to that much these days bandwidth has increased so much I don't see why they would cry over this.

Do they have upload/download limits stated in their TOS (terms of service)?
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Originally posted by: wasssup
320gb/month is nothing..granted I don't download even close to that much these days bandwidth has increased so much I don't see why they would cry over this.

Do they have upload/download limits stated in their TOS (terms of service)?

That's 10 GB a day and a huge strain on the provider. This is why we need a tiered Internet, let people who want that kind of bandwidth pay for it.
 

SludgeFactory

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Sep 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: wasssup
Do they have upload/download limits stated in their TOS (terms of service)?
From the posts I read at other forums, not only are there no stated limits, nobody at Comcast will give you a hard number when they call to threaten you.
 

Skotty

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Dec 29, 2006
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: wasssup
320gb/month is nothing..granted I don't download even close to that much these days bandwidth has increased so much I don't see why they would cry over this.

Do they have upload/download limits stated in their TOS (terms of service)?

That's 10 GB a day and a huge strain on the provider. This is why we need a tiered Internet, let people who want that kind of bandwidth pay for it.

I agree. I can't imagine using more than about 10 GB a month myself. Had no idea there were people out there that thought 300+ GB a month is nothing to shake a stick at. I assure you, my stick is shaking! I hope you guys don't drive up my internet costs too much.
 

pcnerd37

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: yllus
Someone could be spoofing that MAC address? Interesting, let us know what it turns out to be.

they'd still have to beat the WPA.

doesn't sound like torrents. you'd have to be getting 10 GB a day or about 120 KB/sec all day. i think that'd be hard to sustain.

Thats not hard to do, I did 15GB in a day a couple of weeks ago. I typically try to only do major things every few days so Comcast doesnt have a fit over it.
 

Quasmo

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Jul 7, 2004
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So if a MAC address is assigned to every modem, wouldn't that mean that when they cut off his service they would actually be cutting off my service? How is he getting internet when he has a different modem?
 

TheFamilyMan

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Mar 18, 2003
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Originally posted by: Quasmo
So if a MAC address is assigned to every modem, wouldn't that mean that when they cut off his service they would actually be cutting off my service? How is he getting internet when he has a different modem?

Because it's not based on the modem...it is based on the MAC address at the head-end. That's why when you buy a new router you have to either clone a MAC address or call your ISP with the new MAC address of the router.
 

atomicacid55

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Jan 10, 2006
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Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: SKORPI0
Originally posted by: atomicacid55
Why the hell do people need to download 320gb in a month.
.................................
That's still at something like 60 - 70gb. ~300gb a month? I only have 960gb of storage total. I don't see how it's possible.
Hi-Def TV uses about 6-9 GB/1 hour episode. HD Movies up to 20GB with a high bitrate. So it eventually ads up. With the 8.8 mbps (or even 16 mb in other areas) DL speed offered by Comcast it does not take long to DL/use 320GB if you know where to look. 30GB/day is possible at that speed 24/7. OF course since broadband cable is a shared resource compared to DSL, speed slows down when other people in your area go on-line.

DSL is also shared. Our house was one of the first houses to get SW Bell DSL when it was offered in our area, and as time went on our speeds started to drop dramatically. All of the SB techs we spoke to told us SW Bell oversold their bandwidth and would have to upgrade to meet the demand. You aren't guaranteed anything except a max with DSL.

I have Hi-Def TV and I do know it uses 6-9GB / 1 hr episode. Before I clean out my 24 recordings they're roughly 6GB or so. Heroes is more because 1080i uses even more data. But EVEN then.... Do you have to download all that? I record them, but they're for myself. I guess newsgroups really does offer too much crap. And then where does all this crap go? You download a 6-9gb episode, and then what?

Maybe you have HD-DVD/BD or whatever, but I found it stupid to record TV shows and burn them after a certain point because I can't fit most of my crap on a DVD except for ABC shows which use a lower 12-13mbps.

So I can understand if you're downloading TV shows at full uncompressed resolutions, but bleh... I still find it pointless when there are 720p releases of most popular shows at ~1.1gb per episode.

I already threw in some approximate figures if you have a lot to download.

I know that you can easily do 30GB/day at Comcast speeds, and I love my Comcast speeds.

It's just that.. is there THAT much to get out there on the internet? There are days where I get 15gb or so, but that's like once a month. I don't think I could do that on a daily basis.

Moreover, my hard drives can't hold that much. 960gb + a 160gb drive I can slap in for additional storage just isn't enough. 320gb/month means you guys have to be cleaning stuff out pretty regularly.
 

Quasmo

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Jul 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
Originally posted by: Quasmo
So if a MAC address is assigned to every modem, wouldn't that mean that when they cut off his service they would actually be cutting off my service? How is he getting internet when he has a different modem?

Because it's not based on the modem...it is based on the MAC address at the head-end. That's why when you buy a new router you have to either clone a MAC address or call your ISP with the new MAC address of the router.

So am I to blame for his problems?
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: pontifex
wpa without psk? my router doesn't support that.

it only allows WEP

TKIP with WPA-PSK
or AES with WPA-PSK

My 802.11b WAP supports WEP, and that's it. It's 6 years old now!
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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Originally posted by: Quasmo
Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
Originally posted by: Quasmo
So if a MAC address is assigned to every modem, wouldn't that mean that when they cut off his service they would actually be cutting off my service? How is he getting internet when he has a different modem?

Because it's not based on the modem...it is based on the MAC address at the head-end. That's why when you buy a new router you have to either clone a MAC address or call your ISP with the new MAC address of the router.

So am I to blame for his problems?

Are you on this wireless network that is downloading 320 GB/month?
 

Quasmo

Diamond Member
Jul 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Quasmo
Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
Originally posted by: Quasmo
So if a MAC address is assigned to every modem, wouldn't that mean that when they cut off his service they would actually be cutting off my service? How is he getting internet when he has a different modem?

Because it's not based on the modem...it is based on the MAC address at the head-end. That's why when you buy a new router you have to either clone a MAC address or call your ISP with the new MAC address of the router.

So am I to blame for his problems?

Are you on this wireless network that is downloading 320 GB/month?

Nope. I live 300 miles away.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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I don't see how a dsl link can do sustained 135KBps (I am assuming 28 days and using 1GB=1024MB) non stop for a month...