*UPDATE* Beltran is going to the Mets

[ThePresence]

AP reports that the Mets and Beltran are trying to work out a $119 million contract.

 

[raystorm]

Wow... the Mets are about to sign a good player IN HIS PRIME!!! HIS PRIME!!

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: raystorm
Wow... the Mets are about to sign a good player IN HIS PRIME!!! HIS PRIME!!

Mets luck would be that he suffers a career-ending injury on opening day.

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: raystorm
Wow... the Mets are about to sign a good player IN HIS PRIME!!! HIS PRIME!!

Mets luck would be that he suffers a career-ending injury on opening day.

DONT SAY THAT!!! :|


No jinx! then again its the Mets..no jinx needed... but c'mon!! I hope for a positive '05 from the Mets free from controversy and bad PR.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: raystorm
Wow... the Mets are about to sign a good player IN HIS PRIME!!! HIS PRIME!!

Mets luck would be that he suffers a career-ending injury on opening day.

DONT SAY THAT!!! :|

No jinx! then again its the Mets..no jinx needed... but c'mon!! I hope for a positive '05 from the Mets free from controversy and bad PR.

Hehe. I hope the Mets have padding on the clubhouse water coolers!

 

[MrDingleDangle]

SAWEET! The Mets actually do it!

come on get Delgado also now!

 

[Baked]

He's gonna suck like Mo Vaugh. Curse him and his greedy agent, Boras the Russian.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

Originally posted by: Baked
He's gonna suck like Mo Vaugh. Curse him and his greedy agent, Boras the Russian.

uhm no...

vaughn was injured when the mets traded for him

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
SAWEET! The Mets actually do it!

come on get Delgado also now!

It's not a done deal yet.

 

[Xenon]

What gets me is that no other team made an offer close to 119 million other than the Astros who are now out of the picture. Can't the Mets pull the offer and say "well, how about 90 million?" The Yankees never made an offer and the Cubs offer was 5/75. With the Astros out of picture, they no longer have to exceed the Astros offer.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

Originally posted by: Xenon
What gets me is that no other team made an offer close to 119 million other than the Astros who are now out of the picture. Can't the Mets pull the offer and say "well, how about 90 million?" The Yankees never made an offer and the Cubs offer was 5/75. With the Astros out of picture, they no longer have to exceed the Astros offer.

in theory they can, but his agent is Scott Boras, who is the agent to a lot of the best talent in baseball, if the Mets did that, no other client of his would ever go to the Mets

 

[RabidMongoose]

I think the Mets overpaid some for Beltran, but I suppose that's the only way they can get anyone at this point.

I guess that they are trying to put up a good and watchable 2005 season to set good advertising and revenue rates for the new Mets network that comes out in 2006.

Matsui
Wright
Beltran
Piazza
Floyd
Cameron
1B
Reyes

would be a solid lineup. However they're probably not going to do it that way and instead will stick the low OBP Reyes in the very front.

 

[Xenon]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

Originally posted by: Xenon
What gets me is that no other team made an offer close to 119 million other than the Astros who are now out of the picture. Can't the Mets pull the offer and say "well, how about 90 million?" The Yankees never made an offer and the Cubs offer was 5/75. With the Astros out of picture, they no longer have to exceed the Astros offer.

in theory they can, but his agent is Scott Boras, who is the agent to a lot of the best talent in baseball, if the Mets did that, no other client of his would ever go to the Mets

This is where the owners have to draw the line though. The way the Astros have been manipulated should not be allowed to happen. For instance, do you think the Astros are going to enter bidding for Ordonez? I'd say hell no, considering he is another Boras client. I'm pretty sure that Boras can scratch off the Astros as potential bidders for any free agent on his list for a while. The owners have to stand up to his tactics and realize they are the ones signing the checks.

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose


However they're probably not going to do it that way and instead will stick the low OBP Reyes in the very front.

When both Reyes and Matsui were in the lineup they occasionally had Reyes batting second so you could just rearrange your lineup a bit.

Matsui
Reyes
Beltran
Piazza
Floyd
Wright
Cameron
1 B


Reyes is tearing it up in the Dominican ..boy I hope he stays healthy. He plays everyday there and says he feels great..we'll see.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Well that was just my idea. I think that they'll put Matsui/Reyes at the top of the order, which makes no sense as neither one of them is likely to put up a good OBP. Until Reyes can actually take a walk, he should be at the bottom of the lineup.

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Well that was just my idea. I think that they'll put Matsui/Reyes at the top of the order, which makes no sense as neither one of them is likely to put up a good OBP. Until Reyes can actually take a walk, he should be at the bottom of the lineup.

Yea..Reyes needs more discipline at the plate. In the winter league he has only 10 walks in 126 at bats (.302 avg) with .353 OBP. He needs to improve that..but who to put at top though? Matsui is fine, Cameron is a strikeout machine and Wright is no leadoff man. Who knows who'll play first.

 

[hdeck]

i hate the astros management. they had a deal with beltran but dumbass drayton wouldn't give him a no trade clause. morons.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Well that was just my idea. I think that they'll put Matsui/Reyes at the top of the order, which makes no sense as neither one of them is likely to put up a good OBP. Until Reyes can actually take a walk, he should be at the bottom of the lineup.

Yea..Reyes needs more discipline at the plate. In the winter league he has only 10 walks in 126 at bats (.302 avg) with .353 OBP. He needs to improve that..but who to put at top though? Matsui is fine, Cameron is a strikeout machine and Wright is no leadoff man. Who knows who'll play first.

Well I think a 1/2 of Matsui/Wright could be fine. Matsui will probably put up a better OBP than Reyes and Wright has always shown great plate discipline.

 

[Xenon]

Originally posted by: hdeck
i hate the astros management. they had a deal with beltran but dumbass drayton wouldn't give him a no trade clause. morons.

I have a very hard time believing that it was about a no trade clause. It was about the money period. Do you honestly think the astros wouldn't get this deal done because of a no trade clause? He got more money from NY and thats it. He was simply using the Astros to up the price as high as possible.

 

[Megamorph]

Originally posted by: Xenon
It was about the money period. He was simply using the Astros to up the price as high as possible.

Yep. Beltran was going where ever the dollars were. The most dollars that is. Everyone on both sides knew all along that Houston wasn't going to be able to offer the most money, but Boras and Beltran strung Houston along by leading them to believe the Beltran's heart was with the Astros. They wanted the Astros to stay in the race in order to drive up the bidding. Since Houston naively believed that it wasn't all about the money, they were confident that they could close the deal with their competitive offer.

Houston is at fault for playing Boras' games and letting this drag on until the deadline. They should have set a much earlier deadline that would have enabled them to pursue some of the other free agents should Beltran flake. (i.e. Finley, Alou, Drew)

That being said, Borass and the Puerto Rican Whore are the real villians here. There isn't a lower, dirtier, more unethical scumbag in baseball than Scott Boras. In this process, he lied, cheated, and contorted the facts as much as any agent possibly could have. Drayton McLane was front and center on this deal and Boras was a scoundrel. Beltran wasn't any better. He's a liar and a fraud that I think Houston will be glad that they are rid of after the smoke clears.

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: Megamorph

Originally posted by: Xenon
It was about the money period. He was simply using the Astros to up the price as high as possible.

Yep. Beltran was going where ever the dollars were. The most dollars that is. Everyone on both sides knew all along that Houston wasn't going to be able to offer the most money, but Boras and Beltran strung Houston along by leading them to believe the Beltran's heart was with the Astros. They wanted the Astros to stay in the race in order to drive up the bidding. Since Houston naively believed that it wasn't all about the money, they were confident that they could close the deal with their competitive offer.

Houston is at fault for playing Boras' games and letting this drag on until the deadline. They should have set a much earlier deadline that would have enabled them to pursue some of the other free agents should Beltran flake. (i.e. Finley, Alou, Drew)

That being said, Borass and the Puerto Rican Whore are the real villians here. There isn't a lower, dirtier, more unethical scumbag in baseball than Scott Boras. In this process, he lied, cheated, and contorted the facts as much as any agent possibly could have. Drayton McLane was front and center on this deal and Boras was a scoundrel. Beltran wasn't any better. He's a liar and a fraud that I think Houston will be glad that they are rid of after the smoke clears.

Thats a bit strong there.. I mean really. Name some top athletes that signed with a team for LESS money because their "heart" was in it.

 

[Megamorph]

Originally posted by: raystorm
Thats a bit strong there.. I mean really. Name some top athletes that signed with a team for LESS money because their "heart" was in it.

That's easy. Let's just use Houston's team for this example.

Roger Clemens
Jeff Kent
Craig Biggio
Jeff Bagwell

All could have commanded significantly more money had they desired. And rumor has it that Lance Berkman is willing to give Houston a substantial "hometown" discount if they can work out a deal this offseason.

Many stars in the game are not all about extracting ever last penny that they can get out of a team. Unfortunately, Carlos Beltran is just another one of Scott Boras' whores. Move over A-Rod, you've got company.

 

[Xenon]

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: Megamorph

Originally posted by: Xenon
It was about the money period. He was simply using the Astros to up the price as high as possible.

Yep. Beltran was going where ever the dollars were. The most dollars that is. Everyone on both sides knew all along that Houston wasn't going to be able to offer the most money, but Boras and Beltran strung Houston along by leading them to believe the Beltran's heart was with the Astros. They wanted the Astros to stay in the race in order to drive up the bidding. Since Houston naively believed that it wasn't all about the money, they were confident that they could close the deal with their competitive offer.

Houston is at fault for playing Boras' games and letting this drag on until the deadline. They should have set a much earlier deadline that would have enabled them to pursue some of the other free agents should Beltran flake. (i.e. Finley, Alou, Drew)

That being said, Borass and the Puerto Rican Whore are the real villians here. There isn't a lower, dirtier, more unethical scumbag in baseball than Scott Boras. In this process, he lied, cheated, and contorted the facts as much as any agent possibly could have. Drayton McLane was front and center on this deal and Boras was a scoundrel. Beltran wasn't any better. He's a liar and a fraud that I think Houston will be glad that they are rid of after the smoke clears.

Thats a bit strong there.. I mean really. Name some top athletes that signed with a team for LESS money because their "heart" was in it.

We don't have to go very far. How about Roger Clemens signing for 5 million last season? He could have gotten twice that anywhere else.

 

[raystorm]

Well Roger signed because he wanted to stay close to family and to follow his buddy Andy Pettitte, but I understand the examples given. Well..not Jeff Kent anyways. Biggio and Bagwell definitely..they are the Astros. I could never see the Astros without the Killer B's and I think they understood how important they are to the franchise.

Unfortunately, most big stars just go for the money instead of staying where they are most comfortable. I'm sure Beltran is of decent character..but Boras..he's just being an agent. If a team falls for his games then thats their problem.

Didn't a few teams complain to MLB about Boras and his tactics??

 

[chowmein]

but those damn braves, Met killers will find a way to thwart Met's Postseason's dreams. Tim Hudson is more consistant than Pedro. Injuries has and always will plague the new york mets.

Matsui has been a bust so far. Sure he had some "amazing" defensive plays and had a few HRs against the yanks ... but he doesnt run the bases too well and has too many errors.

Reyes has the ankles of a 100 yr old grandmother ... nuff said

Piazza has been a steady decline and a terrible "caught stealing catcher"

Floyd is a decent LF'er and still a powerful lefty .. again injury prone

Cameron is out maybe few weeks of the year ... hes gonna have another 100 SO year and bat .230

Pitching staff is not as young as it seems.

bring in Beltran is like Texas signing AROD

if Pedro strikes out 200+ with 200 innings i would be surprised.

D.Wright has the look of Scott Rolen ... good solid player, my best bet for most improved player of the year