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United States is a hypocrite

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Originally posted by: FettsBabe
AHHH, I left out a few other points. Psycho stood behind the car until the guy hit him with it. A guy with spanish desent took his hands and slammed them against his windshield to break it and tried to stop the car. Count 3 people were at the car when it could have made a difference.

When the guy was running Psycho ran after him telling him "this isn't the way to get your child." Everyone else watched and scrambled around.

True Story.


Good Job!
😎
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: JoeBaD
Another "Damn Yankee" thread.

Why don't we ever have a "Worthless France" thread.

There's a country that doesn't ever do anything accept in its own best interests.

I hope we NEVER save their arses again.

What is it with idiots jumping in with comments like "france sucks" or "nuke Canada"?

If we ever have a world war fought on American soil, we'll understand the viewpoints of the French, British, Germans, etc with much more clarity.

TIme for a topic change?

No, just a post I'd missed earlier and wanted to respond to.

But I digress. 😀
 
I've said this before, the only way we'll ever have peace in the middle east is to leave them alone, protect our own borders and European allies, let them realize the futility of jihad and religious government, and give them time to embrace democracy on their own.
That's what they've been doing for.....ohhh....2000 years or so but I don't remember seeing peace breaking out all over the region.
 
Comparing Hussein to Hitler is like comparing a street thug to Charles Manson. Germany in WW2 held all the advantages, had clear intent to invade and destroy its neighbors and lands well beyond and are there were ZERO world superpowers to check aggression.

Enter Iraq today. It's attempted Kuwait invasion (to which there may be some claim to) failed miserably and they were repelled and contained. Most of their military wasn't all that great to begin with and most of it was destroyed. Today, due to sanctions and constant bombing they're still very weak. They can't properly maintain their equipment. Only a few dozen top-of-the-line tanks remain none of which can deal with Western tanks. No air power, the list goes on.

Yet Bush keep muttering about a "growing threat", and "immediate threat", oooooh "WMDS out ta getcha!", and on and on. This is an exageration and its misinformation and the load of it does a disservice to America.
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: shinerburke
How large is Saddam's army?

Iraq's Military strength

Quite impressive.

Two questions, again - are they using modern equipment?

Are the forces loyal to Saddam?

the forces are. and france and russia try to help saddam modernize his forces.

Capitalism, my friend, drives all.

And it is currently driving iraq the wrong way
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: shinerburke
How large is Saddam's army?

Iraq's Military strength

Quite impressive.

Two questions, again - are they using modern equipment?

Are the forces loyal to Saddam?

the forces are. and france and russia try to help saddam modernize his forces.

By the time Saddam conquer the entire Arab Penninsula, we'll incure a greater cost of lives trying to get rid off him. And why the heck did France doing business with him?? I can understand the Russian with their non-existant economy and desperate need of $$$, but the France???
 
Originally posted by: FettsBabe
AHHH, I left out a few other points. Psycho stood behind the car until the guy hit him with it. A guy with spanish desent took his hands and slammed them against his windshield to break it and tried to stop the car. Count 3 people were at the car when it could have made a difference.

When the guy was running Psycho ran after him telling him "this isn't the way to get your child." Everyone else watched and scrambled around.

True Story.

That's great, that's very commendable. I would have done the same, had I been involved.

Would you have gotten involved in a fight between two large, angry men? If one of them was totally incapacitated, yes, but if they were equally going at it, would you step between them?

What if the one who lost was walking around with a cast? Would you still take him out them? He's a threat, isn't he?
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
I've said this before, the only way we'll ever have peace in the middle east is to leave them alone, protect our own borders and European allies, let them realize the futility of jihad and religious government, and give them time to embrace democracy on their own.
That's what they've been doing for.....ohhh....2000 years or so but I don't remember seeing peace breaking out all over the region.

You can say the same for the rest of the modern world.
 
Originally posted by: JellyBaby
Comparing Hussein to Hitler is like comparing a street thug to Charles Manson. Germany in WW2 held all the advantages, had clear intent to invade and destroy its neighbors and lands well beyond and are there were ZERO world superpowers to check aggression.

Enter Iraq today. It's attempted Kuwait invasion (to which there may be some claim to) failed miserably and they were repelled and contained. Most of their military wasn't all that great to begin with and most of it was destroyed. Today, due to sanctions and constant bombing they're still very weak. They can't properly maintain their equipment. Only a few dozen top-of-the-line tanks remain none of which can deal with Western tanks. No air power, the list goes on.

Yet Bush keep muttering about a "growing threat", and "immediate threat", oooooh "WMDS out ta getcha!", and on and on. This is an exageration and its misinformation and the load of it does a disservice to America.

Iraq was contained and repelled by the US.

IF the US were to leave, the Iraq army would go from weak to the most powerful overnight. As bad as their army is, their neighbors defenses are worse.
 
Originally posted by: charrison

And it is currently driving iraq the wrong way

The invisible hand will guide events; France and Russia are sovereign nations, it's their right to trade as they wish.
 
Originally posted by: rufruf44

By the time Saddam conquer the entire Arab Penninsula, we'll incure a greater cost of lives trying to get rid off him. And why the heck did France doing business with him?? I can understand the Russian with their non-existant economy and desperate need of $$$, but the France???

We've sold weapons to Saddam as well. Our hands are not free of blood.
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: charrison

And it is currently driving iraq the wrong way

The invisible hand will guide events; France and Russia are sovereign nations, it's their right to trade as they wish.

And we are sovereign nation that gets to deal with problems as we see fit.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: charrison

And it is currently driving iraq the wrong way

The invisible hand will guide events; France and Russia are sovereign nations, it's their right to trade as they wish.

And we are sovereign nation that gets to deal with problems as we see fit.

Trade is different than a military invasion.
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: rufruf44

By the time Saddam conquer the entire Arab Penninsula, we'll incure a greater cost of lives trying to get rid off him. And why the heck did France doing business with him?? I can understand the Russian with their non-existant economy and desperate need of $$$, but the France???

We've sold weapons to Saddam as well. Our hands are not free of blood.

That was when he was considered an ally to the US. Are you saying France consider Saddam as ,at the very least, a neutral party? How foolish and ignorant they are if thats what they truely believed.
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: charrison

And it is currently driving iraq the wrong way

The invisible hand will guide events; France and Russia are sovereign nations, it's their right to trade as they wish.

And we are sovereign nation that gets to deal with problems as we see fit.

Trade is different than a military invasion.

Not really. Both are legal operations that be performed between 2 sovereign nations.

If one country pisses off another, they are up for retribution. And it is very much a 2 way street.
 
Originally posted by: rufruf44

That was when he was considered an ally to the US. Are you saying France consider Saddam as ,at the very least, a neutral party? How foolish and ignorant they are if thats what they truely believed.

Is this any different than US grain sales to the USSR during the Cold War?
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: charrison

And it is currently driving iraq the wrong way

The invisible hand will guide events; France and Russia are sovereign nations, it's their right to trade as they wish.

And we are sovereign nation that gets to deal with problems as we see fit.

Trade is different than a military invasion.

Not really. Both are legal operations that be performed between 2 sovereign nations.

If one country pisses off another, they are up for retribution. And it is very much a 2 way street.

Is Iraq not up for retribution to the US?
 
Hussein today can do far more damage than Hitler did 50 years ago. technology has changed warfare making it so efficient a single madman can wipe out an entire city instantly via nuke or kill tens of millions by biological agents. Hussein may not be Hitler, but thanks to WMD he's more dangerous.
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: rufruf44

That was when he was considered an ally to the US. Are you saying France consider Saddam as ,at the very least, a neutral party? How foolish and ignorant they are if thats what they truely believed.

Is this any different than US grain sales to the USSR during the Cold War?

You're comparing grain to armed weaponry ? Grain can't be used to kill people like armed weaponry, nor allow them to update their army to be more dangerous against your own. Also those French won't ever mop up the mess they create anyway, they;ll just turn to the US and then critizes the living daylight out of us.
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: charrison

And it is currently driving iraq the wrong way

The invisible hand will guide events; France and Russia are sovereign nations, it's their right to trade as they wish.

And we are sovereign nation that gets to deal with problems as we see fit.

Trade is different than a military invasion.

Not really. Both are legal operations that be performed between 2 sovereign nations.

If one country pisses off another, they are up for retribution. And it is very much a 2 way street.

Is Iraq not up for retribution to the US?

We have a winner. We have kept Saddam locked up in box(as per UN resolutions)for 11 years now, and guess what he is not amused. He would gladly do anything to get back at US. Since we know he wants to do harm to US, we have a right to defend ourselfs.

This all because of failed UN policy.
 
don't forget how the liberal media calculates the cost of war out of proportion. when they say a war on iraq will cost billions, they leave out the part about how we already paid billions for our army, the cost is the same whether we use our army or not. the only true financial cost is A) fuel and B) ammo/missiles which is rather small costs, not to mention we already paid for those missiles anyway and they are in surplus. essentially, if we do not goto war, we lose billions for a unused army. if we goto war, then it becomes money well spent.

did u know the civil war could have been ended on the very first day of battle between the two armies? the northern general [cant remember his name] built up a polished army but was so scared of losing his pretty soldiers and so when the south retreated and he could of taken their capital, he didnt and instead sat back letting the confederates build more strength. so do we want a quick 2 month battle or a long 4-year war?
 
Originally posted by: rufruf44
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: rufruf44

That was when he was considered an ally to the US. Are you saying France consider Saddam as ,at the very least, a neutral party? How foolish and ignorant they are if thats what they truely believed.

Is this any different than US grain sales to the USSR during the Cold War?

You're comparing grain to armed weaponry ? Grain can't be used to kill people like armed weaponry, nor allow them to update their army to be more dangerous against your own. Also those French won't ever mop up the mess they create anyway, they;ll just turn to the US and then critizes the living daylight out of us.

Then forget them - let them deal with it.
 
Or do we recognize the rights of a civilian population to deal with their government as they wish, and the nations surrounding that government to deal as they wish?
 
IF the US were to leave, the Iraq army would go from weak to the most powerful overnight. As bad as their army is, their neighbors defenses are worse.
char, I disagree. Most of the Arab states are rushing to produce WMDs and beefing up their military. Syria, for instance has what's believed to be a robust WMD program covering all the bases including nuclear. WMDs act as a deterrent and will do so in the future.

The read problem is atomic and radiological WMDs in the hands of terrorist groups like al qaeda. Iraq is simply a side quest at best.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: broon
What kind of attitude is that?

An attitude that's trying to save mens' lives.

No, your original statement was something like "with that kind of attitude it will start WW3". I was wondering what kind of attitude you were talking about.

The attitude that the US can act without regards to the repercussions of her actions; that we are morally superior to other countries; etc.

We know our actions will create reprecussions and we are prepared to live them. Being a minority opinion does not imply our opinion is wrong. I for one am very glad the US ignores the thoughts and wishes of other counties on a regular basis.

Are you really prepared for the reprecussions? Can you handle another 9/11? What happens when your attacked again, you get more pissed off, and attack another area, and again, upset even more.. Its a vicious cycle. Are you really prepared for it?
 
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