Unexpected Consequences: Min Wage Hike Fallout

[UberNeuman]

I still believe multiple ACORN offices tried to assist with O'Keefe's fake illegal sex operations.

This is why most people consider self proclaimed "libertarians" as fuckwits...

\keep on, keepin' on...

 

[ivwshane]

Why?

Well because breitbart told him that and breitbart wouldn't lie, okeef, who breitbart paid and defended, is the bad guy here not poor little breitbart.

I just think it's hilarious that this poster seems so aware of how people manipulate others and yet completely and honestly fails to see how breitbart is manipulating him.

 

[ivwshane]

This is why most people consider self proclaimed "libertarians" as fuckwits...

\keep on, keepin' on...

Libertarians seem to be the new conservative. They realize just how toxic it is to be a righty so they label themselves a libertarian all while ignoring that the shit smell they left has followed them.

 

[Ichinisan]

From the start of the ACORN scandal, I judged O'Keefe and concluded I didn't like him -- specifically because he manipulates the public and I didn't trust his intentions. I didn't judge Andrew Breitbart for posting a sensational story that fell into his lap...that's what his business does. He'd have been a fool to pass on it.

Regardless of how I dislike O'Keefe, I still believe workers in multiple ACORN offices tried to assist with O'Keefe's fake illegal sex operations.

Why?

You think the pimp costume is some indication that the recorded interactions didn't happen?

The full Attorney General’s report is attached. The unedited O’Keefe videotapes from California are available on the Attorney General’s website at http://ag.ca.gov/newsalerts/multimedia/index.php. Tapes from other states are available on request.

I'd like to get this, but the URL is no longer any good.

 

[Ichinisan]

Well because breitbart told him that and breitbart wouldn't lie, okeef, who breitbart paid and defended, is the bad guy here not poor little breitbart.

I just think it's hilarious that this poster seems so aware of how people manipulate others and yet completely and honestly fails to see how breitbart is manipulating him.

...but it would be perfectly fine if I subscribed to biased manipulation from Media Matters or The Daily Show.

I saw the video. Questioned what parts of it are likely to be bullshit. Formulated an opinion of what really happened.

I'm very cynical. I question almost every opinion I'm presented with. I sometimes change my own. I question most statements that don't have proof...regardless of what I'm reading and where it's from.

 

[JSt0rm]

You think the pimp costume is some indication that the recorded interactions didn't happen?


I'd like to get this, but the URL is no longer any good.

He shows himself walking around as pump...

Then he goes into acorn (a place the right wants to kill because they help poor people vote).

Then you don't see him again (because he isn't in pimp attire)

Then he heavily edits the interactions with the people there.

So the recorded interactions did not happen in the way he filmed them because he can change his questions (because you don't see him) to best fit the answer he wants them to say.

 

[fskimospy]

...but it would be perfectly fine if I subscribed to biased manipulation from Media Matters or The Daily Show.

I'm cynical / doubtful of every "fact" I read without proof...regardless of what I'm reading and where it's from.

Apparently you aren't cynical when it comes to these videos.

The man had to pay a $100,000 judgment because of how false his video about ACORN was.

He's a liar. Breitbart published his lies and never owned up to it. They are all deeply dishonest people.

It is okay to admit this.

 

[Ichinisan]

Apparently you aren't cynical when it comes to these videos.

I expect the unedited video the be far less compelling. I also expect to see bad behavior from taxpayer-funded workers. I've known people who got assistance gaming the system. I have no doubt organizations like this are full of dishonest people.

My assumption is that they're all dishonest.

The man had to pay a $100,000 judgment because of how false his video about ACORN was.

We've been through that.

1. There was no judgement.
2. There was a settlement.
3. The settlement was with an individual, not with ACORN.
4. O'Keefe didn't know at the time the video was published that the specific worker had actually called police.

He's a liar. Breitbart published his lies and never owned up to it. They are all deeply dishonest people.

It is okay to admit this.

I believe James O'Keefe is deceptive. I'm OK with calling him a liar. I'm not going to apply that label to Andrew Breitbart without something more compelling.

 

[fskimospy]

I expect the unedited video the be far less compelling. I also expect to see bad behavior from taxpayer-funded workers. I've known people who got assistance gaming the system. I have no doubt organizations like this are full of dishonest people.

My assumption is that they're all dishonest.



We've been through that.

1. There was no judgement.
2. There was a settlement.
3. The settlement was with an individual, not with ACORN.
4. O'Keefe didn't know at the time the video was published that the specific worker had actually called police.

I believe James O'Keefe is deceptive. I'm OK with calling him a liar. I'm not going to apply that label to Andrew Breitbart without something more compelling.

So Breitbart just published deceptive things and never corrected it or admitted to it.

That's a liar in my book. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You think the pimp costume is some indication that the recorded interactions didn't happen?


I'd like to get this, but the URL is no longer any good.

links for the AG's report (and attachments) and unedited video and audio tapes at the end of the article in this link:

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7780&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Ichinisan]

links for the AG's report (and attachments) and unedited video and audio tapes at the end of the article in this link:

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7780&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Thank you. I will watch / listen tonight.

 

[ivwshane]

...but it would be perfectly fine if I subscribed to biased manipulation from Media Matters or The Daily Show.

I saw the video. Questioned what parts of it are likely to be bullshit. Formulated an opinion of what really happened.

I'm very cynical. I question almost every opinion I'm presented with. I sometimes change my own. I question most statements that don't have proof...regardless of what I'm reading and where it's from.

Lol! I specifically told you to ignore the media matters commentary and simply click on their links. You aren't cynical, you are selective. You are easily manipulated as evident by your responses to this topic and your failure/unwillingness to understand what has been presented to you. Several posters have pointed out to you obvious falsehoods about the video and you've dismissed them based on gut feeling and instead took the word of a guy who not only proudly hosted and promoted a guy who settled a lawsuit (why would you settle if you did nothing wrong?) but he also lied about vetting the video.

You've created a bubble for yourself and you aren't even aware of it

If you are truly seeking the truth as you say you are then I hope your eyes will be open and your bubble destroyed.

 

[CitizenKain]

I believe James O'Keefe is deceptive. I'm OK with calling him a liar. I'm not going to apply that label to Andrew Breitbart without something more compelling.

That means Breitbart is a lair as well. Knowingly publishing the work of something you know to be completely made up is lying.

 

[Ichinisan]

Lol! I specifically told you to ignore the media matters commentary and simply click on their links. You aren't cynical, you are selective. You are easily manipulated as evident by your responses to this topic and your failure/unwillingness to understand what has been presented to you. Several posters have pointed out to you obvious falsehoods about the video and you've dismissed them based on gut feeling and instead took the word of a guy who not only proudly hosted and promoted a guy who settled a lawsuit (why would you settle if you did nothing wrong?) but he also lied about vetting the video.

You've created a bubble for yourself and you aren't even aware of it

If you are truly seeking the truth as you say you are then I hope your eyes will be open and your bubble destroyed.

Sure seemed like you were being sarcastic, as if I wouldn't really read the article and I would only try to discredit the sources.

Didn't you cite MM more than once? I'll have to re-read the thread when I get back home.

I still have seen nothing that even attempts to dispute the actual recorded interactions with ACORN workers, so I don't see why I'm expected to doubt that some of them misbehaved.

 

[Ichinisan]

That means Breitbart is a lair as well. Knowingly publishing the work of something you know to be completely made up is lying.

Let's be careful with assumptions.

 

[ivwshane]

Sure seemed like you were being sarcastic, as if I wouldn't really read the article and I would only try to discredit the sources.

Didn't you bring cite MM more than once? I'll have to re-read the thread when I get back home.

Nope, that's the only link I've posted so far. I've used mm in the past but that's because they are very good at citing their sources which allows me to read the facts while ignoring their slant, which is why I told you to do the same. If you check my post history you will see that when I'm sarcastic I use the sarcasm tag 98% of the time (/s), the other tie percent the tag is left off by accident.

The recent link given to you (bradblog with citations) should be all you need to see you've been duped by breitbart.

I await your enlightenment

 

[ivwshane]

Let's be careful with assumptions.

They aren't assumptions. Again, the multiple links provided to you are based on facts and the public record. Your position has been based on the writings from one of the people involved. Shouldn't that be a red flag for you?

 

[Retro Rob]

the whole thing about okeefe is a distraction away from the fact that raising the min wage did not remove people from the welfare roles since they just played the game.

Thanks, as this is a diversion.

For the record as well, I never said the information in the article was completely factual anyway, but what IS a FACT is that this IS a consequence of the wage hike that will be realized by many.

 

[CZroe]

He shows himself walking around as pump...



Then he goes into acorn (a place the right wants to kill because they help poor people vote).



Then you don't see him again (because he isn't in pimp attire)



Then he heavily edits the interactions with the people there.



So the recorded interactions did not happen in the way he filmed them because he can change his questions (because you don't see him) to best fit the answer he wants them to say.

I hate James O'Keefe. I think he's worse than the YouTube "pranksters" who stage everything. This was supposed to be about Breitbart "lying," but you are hung up on O'Keefe being dressed as a pimp outside as if that alone invalidates everything? The damning things they said stand alone to anyone who isn't looking for a reason to dismiss them. Is anyone holding you accountable for your dumb-ass assertion that "the right wants to kill [ACORN] because they help poor people vote?"

In late March 2010, Clark Hoyt, then public editor for The New York Times, reviewed the videos, full transcripts and full audio. Hoyt wrote "The videos were heavily edited. The sequence of some conversations was changed. Some workers seemed concerned for Giles, one advising her to get legal help. In two cities, ACORN workers called the police. But the most damning words match the transcripts and the audio, and do not seem out of context."

It doesn't matter that he was dressed as a pimp in interviews and segments spliced in between. That's YouTube theatrics. It would have been a story even without that. What matters is what he told them and how they responded. It stands alone.

lmao. Run away run away. Fucking Georgia people. How can you be so stupid? 5 years later and still thinking that was something?

Looking for some generalization you can apply to dismiss something you don't want to hear. Racist.

 

[fskimospy]

I hate James O'Keefe. I think he's worse than the YouTube "pranksters" who stage everything. This was supposed to be about Breitbart "lying," but you are hung up on O'Keefe being dressed as a pimp outside as if that alone invalidates everything? The damning things they said stand alone to anyone who isn't looking for a reason to dismiss them. Is anyone holding you accountable for your dumb-ass assertion that "the right wants to kill [ACORN] because they help poor people vote?"


It doesn't matter that he was dressed as a pimp in interviews and segments spliced in between. That's YouTube theatrics. It would have been a story even without that. What matters is what he told them and how they responded. It stands alone.

Looking for some generalization you can apply to dismiss something you don't want to hear. Racist.

It stands so alone that O'Keefe ended up paying $100,000 to settle a libel case over the tape and he admitted to deceptively editing them. Additionally, further investigation turned up no impropriety by acorn.

When someone comes straight out and admits they are a liar and then pays someone $100k for lying, its ok to say they were lying.

That should tell you something unless you're looking for a reason not to believe it.

 

[dank69]

Let's be careful with assumptions.

A legitimate news source would issue a retraction, therefore Breitbart is not a legitimate news source.

 

[CZroe]

It stands so alone that O'Keefe ended up paying $100,000 to settle a libel case over the tape and he admitted to deceptively editing them. Additionally, further investigation turned up no impropriety by acorn.



When someone comes straight out and admits they are a liar and then pays someone $100k for lying, its ok to say they were lying.



That should tell you something unless you're looking for a reason not to believe it.

He admitted that he didn't know that one person out of six cities called the cops when he presented it as the man having done nothing. He didn't know.

They found no impropriety by the technicality that O'Keefe and Giles were only pretending so there was no criminal behavior for them to assist with. You are cherry picking to dismiss the fact that some did offer help to what they thought were criminals. Only three of six contacted authorities.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

He admitted that he didn't know that one person out of six cities called the cops when he presented it as the man having done nothing. He didn't know.

They found no impropriety by the technicality that O'Keefe and Giles were only pretending so there was no criminal behavior for them to assist with. You are cherry picking to dismiss the fact that some did offer help to what they thought were criminals. Only three of six contacted authorities.

Talk about cherry picking. It was a lot more than one out of six called the cops. One told them just flat out they couldn't provide them any support. Another told them they wouldn't and also went so far as to take Ms. Giles to a victim support area based on the story she gave. Another caught on and shined them along. She went so far as telling them about how she murdered her husband (both of her ex husbands are alive and well) etc...

None of that made it into what was presented by O'Keefe and Breitbart. Instead the edited videos made it appear that all of them were willing to lend support. The review of the full videos that they were required to give up to avoid prosecution showed the opposite of what they claimed occurred.

 

[CZroe]

Talk about cherry picking. It was a lot more than one out of six called the cops. One told them just flat out they couldn't provide them any support. Another told them they wouldn't and also went so far as to take Ms. Giles to a victim support area based on the story she gave. Another caught on and shined them along. She went so far as telling them about how she murdered her husband (both of her ex husbands are alive and well) etc...

None of that made it into what was presented by O'Keefe and Breitbart. Instead the edited videos made it appear that all of them were willing to lend support. The review of the full videos that they were required to give up to avoid prosecution showed the opposite of what they claimed occurred.

Read again. I said three out of six but he didn't know about the one.

 

[Murloc]

People should welcome the chance to be self-sufficient and get off Government Assistance -- I know I would.

in most jobs you cannot get your employer to reduce the hours anyway.

Every employee brings overhead costs. I would refuse as an employer to do this as the cost per man-hour would increase because they are spread over many part time employees. There are enough mexicans willing to work full time. But admittedly sponsoring migration is probably more difficult in the US.