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Ichinisan

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All of this is from okeefes wiki page

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Reception

After the videos were released through the fall of 2009, the U.S. Congress voted to freeze federal funding to ACORN.[42] The Census Bureau and the IRS terminated their contract relationships with ACORN.[43]
By December 2009, an external investigation of ACORN was published that cleared it of any illegality, while noting that its poor management practices contributed to unprofessional actions by some low-level employees.[44][45][46][47] In March 2010, ACORN announced it would dissolve due to loss of funding from government and especially private sources.[48]
On March 1, 2010, the district attorney for Brooklyn found that there was no criminal wrongdoing by the ACORN staff in New York.[49][50]
In late March 2010, Clark Hoyt, then public editor for The New York Times, reviewed the videos, full transcripts and full audio. Hoyt wrote "The videos were heavily edited. The sequence of some conversations was changed. Some workers seemed concerned for Giles, one advising her to get legal help. In two cities, ACORN workers called the police. But the most damning words match the transcripts and the audio, and do not seem out of context."[51]
The California Attorney General's Office granted O'Keefe and Giles limited immunity from prosecution in exchange for providing the full, unedited videotapes related to ACORN offices in California.[10] The AG's Report was released on April 1, 2010, concluding that the videos from ACORN offices in Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Bernardino had been "severely edited."[10] The report found there was no evidence of criminal conduct on the part of ACORN employees nor any evidence that any employee intended to aid or abet criminal conduct. It found that three employees had tried to deflect the couple's plans, told them ACORN could not offer them help on the grounds they wanted, and otherwise dealt with them appropriately. Such context was not reflected in O'Keefe's edited tapes. The AG's Report noted that "O'Keefe stated that he was out to make a point and to damage ACORN and therefore did not act as a journalist objectively reporting a story", and because the Giles-O'Keefe criminal plans were a ruse, the ACORN workers could not be complicit in them. It found no evidence of intent by the employees to aid the couple. The report also noted "a serious and glaring deficit in management, governance and accountability within the ACORN organization" and said its conduct "suggests an organizational ethos at odds with the norms of American society. Empowering and serving low-and moderate-income families cannot be squared with counseling and encouraging illegal activities."[10]
The AG's report confirmed that ACORN employee Juan Carlos Vera, shown in O'Keefe's video as apparently aiding a human smuggling proposal, had immediately reported his encounter with the couple to a Mexican police detective at the time to thwart their plan. Following the AG's report, that employee, who had been fired by ACORN after the video's release, sued O'Keefe and Giles in 2010. He alleged invasion of privacy and cited a California law that prohibits recordings without consent of all parties involved.[52]
O'Keefe moved for summary judgment in his favor, arguing that the plaintiff had no reasonable expectation that the conversation would be private. In August 2012, the federal judge hearing the case denied O'Keefe's motion for summary judgment. The judge ruled that O'Keefe had "misled plaintiff to believe that the conversation would remain confidential by posing as a client seeking services from ACORN and asking whether their conversation was confidential."[53] On March 5, 2013, O'Keefe agreed to pay Vera $100,000 and acknowledged in the settlement that at the time he published his video he was unaware that Vera had notified the police about the incident. The settlement contained the following apology: "O'Keefe regrets any pain suffered by Mr. Vera or his family."[54][55]
On June 14, 2010, the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) published its report finding no evidence that ACORN, or any of its related organizations, had mishandled any of the $40 million in federal money which they had received in recent years."

and media matters:

Fact: On the guerilla clips posted online and aired on Fox News, O'Keefe was featured in lots of cutaway shots that were filmed outside and showed him parading around with Giles in his outlandish cane/top hat/sunglasses/fur coat pimp costume.
The cutaway shots certainly left the impression that that's how O'Keefe was dressed when he spoke to ACORN workers.
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But inside each and every office, according to one independent review that looked at the public videos, O'Keefe entered sans the pimp get-up. In fact, he was dressed rather conservatively. During his visit to the Baltimore ACORN office, he wore a dress shirt and khaki pants. For the Philadelphia sting, he added a tie to the ensemble.


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http://mediamatters.org/research/2010/02/17/james-okeefe-and-the-myth-of-the-acorn-pimp/160485
Already read the Wiki when you said I had "run away." I will read your MMFA article. Wouldn't exactly trust them any more than Breitbart.com lol countering Breitbart.com with mmfa
Never would have thought for a second that he actually would have entered the offices dressed that way. People who even think that are stupid.

"The report found there was no evidence of criminal conduct on the part of ACORN employees nor any evidence that any employee intended to aid or abet criminal conduct."

According to Breitbart:
The Attorney General’s office stated that the videos showed “terrible judgment and highly inappropriate behavior” from ACORN employees, just not “prosecutable crimes.”

Anyone who reads the full report from the Attorney General’s office will see that the way the videos were edited has no bearing on whether the AG office found evidence of any criminal behavior. The reason the ACORN employees were cleared of aiding and abetting criminal behavior was ultimately, that O’Keefe and Giles were only pretending to commit crimes. You can’t aid and abet criminal behavior if there is no actual criminal behavior. And the release of the unedited videos had nothing to do with that legal conclusion.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...addow-leaves-truth-on-the-cutting-room-floor/
 
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JSt0rm

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the whole thing about okeefe is a distraction away from the fact that raising the min wage did not remove people from the welfare roles since they just played the game.


I dont care about your dumb thread. I just happened to notice some serious misinformation and needed to correct it. As soon as its correct you can continue on your war of the poor. It certainly has no effect on me one way or the other.
 

JSt0rm

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Anyone who reads the full report from the Attorney General’s office will see that the way the videos were edited has no bearing on whether the AG office found evidence of any criminal behavior. The reason the ACORN employees were cleared of aiding and abetting criminal behavior was ultimately, that O’Keefe and Giles were only pretending to commit crimes. You can’t aid and abet criminal behavior if there is no actual criminal behavior. And the release of the unedited videos had nothing to do with that legal conclusion.

Source of this?
 

Ichinisan

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I will read your MMFA article. Wouldn't exactly trust them any more than Breitbart.com lol countering Breitbart.com with mmfa
Never would have thought for a second that he actually would have entered the offices dressed that way. People who even think that are stupid.

Read the article. I don't see where they edited together multiple visits into one.

Yes, the pimp getup was misleading. Still, I always recognize that kind of "TV bullshit" and I see it in almost everything. I was absolutely sick of the coverage his video was getting back in 2009. Saw constant looping video of O'Keefe and Giles parading around outside in ridiculous costumes and thought: "This kind of bullshit is produced to loop endlessly during pundit discussions, specifically to make people stop on the channel when they see a pretty girl while channel surfing."

I can't stand to watch Hannity or O'Reilly. They do that shit all the time with stories about lewdness just as an excuse to show college girls in bikinis for most of the hour and tease before every commercial break.
 

Ichinisan

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Anyone who reads the full report from the Attorney General’s office will see that the way the videos were edited has no bearing on whether the AG office found evidence of any criminal behavior. The reason the ACORN employees were cleared of aiding and abetting criminal behavior was ultimately, that O’Keefe and Giles were only pretending to commit crimes. You can’t aid and abet criminal behavior if there is no actual criminal behavior. And the release of the unedited videos had nothing to do with that legal conclusion.
Source of this?
It was provided immediately below the quote.

According to Breitbart:


Anyone who reads the full report from the Attorney General’s office will see that the way the videos were edited has no bearing on whether the AG office found evidence of any criminal behavior. The reason the ACORN employees were cleared of aiding and abetting criminal behavior was ultimately, that O’Keefe and Giles were only pretending to commit crimes. You can’t aid and abet criminal behavior if there is no actual criminal behavior. And the release of the unedited videos had nothing to do with that legal conclusion.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...addow-leaves-truth-on-the-cutting-room-floor/
 
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Already read the Wiki when you said I had "run away." I will read your MMFA article. Wouldn't exactly trust them any more than Breitbart.com lol countering Breitbart.com with mmfa
Never would have thought for a second that he actually would have entered the offices dressed that way. People who even think that are stupid.

"The report found there was no evidence of criminal conduct on the part of ACORN employees nor any evidence that any employee intended to aid or abet criminal conduct."

According to Breitbart:




http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...addow-leaves-truth-on-the-cutting-room-floor/
So anyone who believed he was dressed like a pimp is stupid. So when Breitbart in his own words pushed that narrative what was he being?

When filmmaker and provocateur James O’Keefe came to my office to show me the video of him and his friend, Hannah Giles, going to the Baltimore offices of ACORN - the nation’s foremost “community organizers” - dressed as a pimp and a prostitute
 

fskimospy

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If you can show that O'Keefe knew the guy had contacted police, then I'd have no problem agreeing that Breitbart published "lies." No problem at all.

Far greater lies [inaccuracies] were posted in this thread.

So what do you think he paid him a hundred grand for?
 

Ichinisan

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I was expecting a real source o_O :p

I was expecting MMFA bullshit. Called it too (look for white text in my posts). Glad you could oblige.

MMFA is exactly what everyone else claims Breitbart.com is. I read your MMFA article all the way through. I've read multiple MMFA articles on this very subject. I actually go there once in a while to see an opposing perspective (often finding gross distortions). Today is the first time I recall actually reading any Breitbart.com article (the linked one I came across while trying to find something to substantiate your "two visits, edited together" assertion). No. I did not read OP's article.
 
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JSt0rm

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These peoples belief systems can navigate anything to come to the conclusion they want to come to.
 

fskimospy

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I was expecting MMFA bullshit. Called it too (look for white text in my posts). Glad you could oblige.

I read your article all the way through. I've read multiple MMFA articles on this very subject. Today is the first time I recall actually reading any Breitbart.com article (the linked one I came across while trying to find something to substantiate your "two visits, edited together" assertion).

What you should ask yourself is "would I be jumping through all these hoops to defend this person if I didn't agree with them ideologically?"

Do you really think you would? The guy is an obvious liar. So is O'Keefe. The only way to defend them is to say the end justifies the means.
 

JSt0rm

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I was expecting MMFA bullshit. Called it too (look for white text in my posts). Glad you could oblige.

I read your MMFA article all the way through. I've read multiple MMFA articles on this very subject. Today is the first time I recall actually reading any Breitbart.com article (the linked one I came across while trying to find something to substantiate your "two visits, edited together" assertion).

MMFA bullshit?
 

Ichinisan

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So anyone who believed he was dressed like a pimp is stupid. So when Breitbart in his own words pushed that narrative what was he being?

I dunno. I see "TV bullshit" and assume everyone else with a brain sees it too. I thought the gullible "taking all images at face value" thing was more pervasive on social media. I guess people are always like that.

Someone posts a blog article on Facebook against Chick-Fil-A with a photoshopped "gays not welcome" CFA sign. Everyone in the comments assumes the sign is real and goes on and on about the sign in the comments. The post gets more social media traction from people who believe the image is real and share the article as if they are sharing a photo...never actually reading the article or considering that you're not supposed to think the image is real.

I guess you are supposed to believe it's real.

Did I mention that I intensely dislike James O'Keefe? Well, this is precisely the reason why. Because he manipulates people who allow themselves to be manipulated. I failed to articulate that before.

Numerous ACORN offices did assist with his fake illegal sex business. That's a story.
 
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I dunno. I see "TV bullshit" and assume everyone else with a brain sees it too. I thought the gullible "taking all images at face value" thing was more pervasive on social media. I guess people are always like that.

Someone posts a blog article on Facebook against Chick-Fil-A with a photoshopped "gays not welcome" CFA sign. Everyone in the comments assumes the sign is real and goes on and on about the sign in the comments. The post gets more social media traction from people who believe the image is real and share the article as if they are sharing a photo...never actually reading the article or considering that you're not supposed to think the image is real.

I guess you are supposed to believe it's real.

Did I mention that I intensely dislike James O'Keefe? Well, this is precisely the reason why. I failed to articulate that before.

Breitbart himself said it was real. It wasn't taking it at face value. It was taking Breitbarts word at face value. He was the one who bought the videos and made the story. He made the statements and then showed deceptively edited video that supported it.
 

nickqt

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These peoples belief systems can navigate anything to come to the conclusion they want to come to.

Cognitive Dissonance and Projection are the twin pillars of modern US conservatism (and when I say US conservatism, I really mean reactionism. Take a look at the conservative parties in any western countries we consider civilized, and the Democratic party would fit right in with them, but over here, they're somehow socialist communists. That is how reactionaries label their political opponents).

Observable reality is just librul bias. And when they can't manage to scrape all of the bile off their own party's heroes before the cameras record their images for posterity, they instantly go into BothSidesDoIt™ mode to be sure to distract you away from the people that say vile, idiotic bullshit.

The BothSidesDoIt™ Biglie is amazing because it allows them to instantly deflect from batshit insane things elected US Senators say in public, by pointing out some hippie feminist posting on some useless message board somewhere, while pointing and screaming, "see, both sides are crazy!!1".

BothSidesDoIt™ is the Biglie of our time. And it is the default political message vomited out by the media, otherwise horserace politics and the literally billions of dollars in ad revenue would be substantially decreased if they were allowed to say that one major US party has gone insane. Not to mention, the constant "librul media" line also provides cover as it's been repeated 4,000 a day the past 25 years, giving the reactionary movement the ability to point out any criticism as simply bias.

The truth is that the Democratic party is a typical political party filled with grifters, hypocrites, and narcisissits all violating ethics and at times the law to give themselves wealth and power. Like a lot of political parties. Unfortunately, the Republican party has gone fucking insane, with it's paranoid base (people who rub their own shit into their hair) now, actually in charge. And it's scaring the shit out of the non-insane grifter subtype Republican (think Boehner, McConnel, Christie, Kasich, etc).

Thanks, Citizens United!

Which is ultimately what makes Trump so hilarious.

Trump IS the modern Republican party. And he's running around showing his ass to everyone, while it's the GOP elite with their knives out, hoping to take him down.

If you want to see what a sane Republican has to say about modern politics, you should read goplifer (RINO!!1).
 

Ichinisan

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Cognitive Dissonance and Projection are the twin pillars of modern US conservatism (and when I say US conservatism, I really mean reactionism. Take a look at the conservative parties in any western countries we consider civilized, and the Democratic party would fit right in with them, but over here, they're somehow socialist communists. That is how reactionaries label their political opponents).

Observable reality is just librul bias. And when they can't manage to scrape all of the bile off their own party's heroes before the cameras record their images for posterity, they instantly go into BothSidesDoIt™ mode to be sure to distract you away from the people that say vile, idiotic bullshit.

The BothSidesDoIt™ Biglie is amazing because it allows them to instantly deflect from batshit insane things elected US Senators say in public, by pointing out some hippie feminist posting on some useless message board somewhere, while pointing and screaming, "see, both sides are crazy!!1".

BothSidesDoIt™ is the Biglie of our time. And it is the default political message vomited out by the media, otherwise horserace politics and the literally billions of dollars in ad revenue would be substantially decreased if they were allowed to say that one major US party has gone insane. Not to mention, the constant "librul media" line also provides cover as it's been repeated 4,000 a day the past 25 years, giving the reactionary movement the ability to point out any criticism as simply bias.

The truth is that the Democratic party is a typical political party filled with grifters, hypocrites, and narcisissits all violating ethics and at times the law to give themselves wealth and power. Like a lot of political parties. Unfortunately, the Republican party has gone fucking insane, with it's paranoid base (people who rub their own shit into their hair) now, actually in charge. And it's scaring the shit out of the non-insane grifter subtype Republican (think Boehner, McConnel, Christie, Kasich, etc).

Thanks, Citizens United!

Which is ultimately what makes Trump so hilarious.

Trump IS the modern Republican party. And he's running around showing his ass to everyone, while it's the GOP elite with their knives out, hoping to take him down.

If you want to see what a sane Republican has to say about modern politics, you should read goplifer (RINO!!1).
Interesting assumption about me(?). I once identified as somewhat conservative. I later realized I don't believe most of the ideological ideas my mother tried to program in me. I'm much more a "classic liberal" or "Libertarian."

Socially liberal. Fiscally conservative.
 

nickqt

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Interesting assumption about me(?). I once identified as somewhat conservative. I later realized I don't believe most of the ideological ideas my mother tried to program in me. I'm much more a "classic liberal" or "Libertarian."

Socially liberal. Fiscally conservative.
I wasn't describing you, I was describing the modern US conservative (reactionary) movement.
 

sandorski

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Morality, for many, isn't what you do, it's whether you achieve the goals of the Authority you submit to. For some that's a Political authority, others Religious authorities.

That's why Lies and Deceptions are excused by many, because it's all towards submitting to the Authority.

True Moral people judge peoples actions regardless of Authorities. Lies and Deception can not lead to Truth. Only arguments based upon Reason and confirmed with Evidence can ever find what is True.
 

Ichinisan

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Morality, for many, isn't what you do, it's whether you achieve the goals of the Authority you submit to. For some that's a Political authority, others Religious authorities.

That's why Lies and Deceptions are excused by many, because it's all towards submitting to the Authority.

True Moral people judge peoples actions regardless of Authorities. Lies and Deception can not lead to Truth. Only arguments based upon Reason and confirmed with Evidence can ever find what is True.

From the start of the ACORN scandal, I judged O'Keefe and concluded I didn't like him -- specifically because he manipulates the public and I didn't trust his intentions. I didn't judge Andrew Breitbart for posting a sensational story that fell into his lap...that's what his business does. He'd have been a fool to pass on it.

Regardless of how I dislike O'Keefe, I still believe workers in multiple ACORN offices tried to assist with O'Keefe's fake illegal sex operations.
 
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sandorski

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From the start of the ACORN scandal, I judged O'Keefe and concluded I didn't like him -- specifically because he manipulates the public and I didn't trust his intentions. I didn't judge Andrew Breitbart for posting a sensational story that fell into his lap...that's what his business does. He'd have been a fool to pass on it.

Regardless of how I dislike O'Keefe, I still believe workers in multiple ACORN offices tried to assist with O'Keefe's fake illegal sex operations.

Why?