Unemployment benefits might be extended AGAIN :(

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Yeah I've changed views on the cellphone thing, you really need one and some are cheaper than landlines now, so...

except when you see them rocking the latest iphone.

 

[werepossum]

What's truly unsettling about this is that the unemployed are now such a large bloc that they have their own advocacy groups. They are now their own constituency. In the past we've never asked how a candidate was "polling among the unemployed." I think that's coming soon.

- wolf

Undoubtedly. There used to be a futuristic pen and paper RPG called Dark something. It posited a large class of people who served as ballotmen. They lived in corporate-provided housing, sent their children to corporate-provided schools, watch corporate-provided television, and were useful only to vote for the corporation's wishes. That may be partially coming true, with taxpayers providing the money and unions providing the guidance and control.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

There are exactly 3 options for the government to take:

1) Guarantee living wage jobs for all. This will cost tons of money, will never be fully successful, but will make the situation better (at least in the short run).

2) Guarantee unemployment and health benefits for all. This will cost tons of money, will never be fully successful, but will make the situation better (at least in the short run).

3) NOT provide any avenue of direct relief to individuals. This will result in an uprising of starving, hopeless citizens (most of whom armed and many trained) as they do whatever they have to do to feed their families (or, as said previously in the thread, they'll manage to get welfare for a net loss in tax dollars). The event would certainly call for increased protection, more jails, etc. The end result would be total social collapse, rampant crime, total loss of government respect/efficacy, more government spending than ever conceived of before, millions dead, etc.


Feel free to pick any option you like.

really? exactly 3? not 3.25?

what about we shoot to kill on all offenders in scenario 3 which will reduce the population and hence the number of ppl needing support.

 

[soccerballtux]

When did I say their version of limited government is good?

I didn't realize "their version" didn't adhere to the "laws" of economics.

Haha, well, you've got to have efficient road infrastructure for one, and nobody has as good a road system as we do.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

But do you truly need help? Are you going to bed hungry every night? Do you have a roof over your head? You sound like someone who has less disposable income to spend not someone who needs 12 more months of unemployment checks. Are you just a greedy asshole? I mean if I am to be called a f'ing idiot... is it not appropriate to call you that?

Despite what you hear, there is a finite amount of currency that can flow within our system. How about letting the people that truly need benefits during this recession get them.

I'm an idiot because my wife lost her job, and we NEED 2 incomes to pay the bills and put food on our table. Am I going to bed hungry? No, but if my wife did not have UI, we'd be up shit creek and on the curb in 6 months or less.
Less disposable income..pfft. Ok. Another hardass keyboard commando thinking UI = Welfare. f'ing idiot

 

[rudder]

I'm an idiot because my wife lost her job, and we NEED 2 incomes to pay the bills and put food on our table. Am I going to bed hungry? No, but if my wife did not have UI, we'd be up shit creek and on the curb in 6 months or less.
Less disposable income..pfft. Ok. Another hardass keyboard commando thinking UI = Welfare. f'ing idiot

pffft f'ing idiot who does not realize that getting two years of UI is pretty is welfare. F'ing idiot who does not realize there are limited financial resources in this country. That is not "free" money.

Really no point in arguing with someone with your mentality anyway . So I am done. But I would like to point out a very handy resource that may help empower you to weather the next financial storm:

http://www.daveramsey.com/

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

pffft f'ing idiot who does not realize that getting two years of UI is pretty is welfare. F'ing idiot who does not realize there are limited financial resources in this country. That is not "free" money.

Really no point in arguing with someone with your mentality anyway . So I am done. But I would like to point out a very handy resource that may help empower you to weather the next financial storm:

http://www.daveramsey.com/

Nor is there any point in arguing with you, it's been 1 year, and we are very grateful to have it. It's not like we're living the high life. Please tell me how we're slacking and 'living off UI", more like living because of it (and by living I mean, pay bills, buy food, etc). The money comes from the employer who pays the tax. I thought that had been made clear. Guess not.

 

[PrinceofWands]

this would explain why more government always leads to good things for us.
OH WAIT. According to economics, it's NOT good for the economy.

Yeah, having a government has really sucked...what with going from nothing to the only remaining super-power, having among the highest standard of living for any nation in the world, extending life expectancy, living relatively threat free, etc.

In fact, governments have always ruined everything...the world was so much better off as individual tribesman and families. The abominations known as Persia, Ottoman, Greece, Rome, Egypt, China, Japan, England, France, Germany, Spain, Portugal...none of em ever amounted to anything.

 

[PrinceofWands]

really? exactly 3? not 3.25?

what about we shoot to kill on all offenders in scenario 3 which will reduce the population and hence the number of ppl needing support.

Can't. Such actions would be met with forceful resistance bringing about a total revolution and utter chaos. Moreover it would polarize the world against us to such a degree as to make it impossible to function as a nation.

Remember, for every upper class holdout trying desperately to cling to their power there are 99 disgruntled workers with a gun. All power rests at the bottom. Always has, always will. It's all about not forcing them to use it.

 

[JEDI]

http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/04/news/economy/unemployment_benefits_extension/index.htm?hpt=Sbin

Super extended Unemployment benefits are expiring at the end of the month.

"When the deadline expired at the end of May, it took lawmakers 51 days to pass an extension until Nov. 30. The pricetag of that six-month extension was $34 billion."

Congress has a narrow window to act. Lawmakers return on Nov. 15 for a week before taking off for the Thanksgiving holiday. Then they are back for only two days before the Nov. 30 deadline hits.


The lame duck House, which is still controlled by the Dems till Jan 2011, will pass a bill. Lets see if the Repubs in the senate successfully fillabuster especially given the new Repubs election win momentum.

Stop spending my tax $$$!

 

[EagleKeeper]

http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/04/news/economy/unemployment_benefits_extension/index.htm?hpt=Sbin

Super extended Unemployment benefits are expiring at the end of the month.

"When the deadline expired at the end of May, it took lawmakers 51 days to pass an extension until Nov. 30. The pricetag of that six-month extension was $34 billion."

Congress has a narrow window to act. Lawmakers return on Nov. 15 for a week before taking off for the Thanksgiving holiday. Then they are back for only two days before the Nov. 30 deadline hits.


The lame duck House, which is still controlled by the Dems till Jan 2011, will pass a bill. Lets see if the Repubs in the senate successfully fillabuster especially given the new Repubs election win momentum.

Stop spending my tax $$$!

Dems do not considered it to be YOUR tax $$$.

It is theirs to spend on how they feel is best. Your ideas/opinions/needs do not count. You are just to hand it over based on their demands.

 

[matt0611]

Is this an extensions for people to file for extended unemployment benefits (the ones that last longer) or is this an extension for people that are on unemployment already so they can stay even longer on unemployment? If its the latter I think its just ridiculous.

 

[JulesMaximus]

http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/19/news/economy/unemployment_benefits/index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=Sbin

More than 1 million people could lose their jobless benefits and health insurance subsidy in March if Congress doesn't act fast.

But Reid plans to address the jobless benefits deadlines when Congress returns next week, a Senate Democratic aide said.


6months was the norm. Bush extended unemployment benefits to 1yr. Obama added 13 weeks to that for a total of 1yr 3months.

Now some groups are lobbying for it to be extended to end of year.

WTF?! :q

Stop spending my tax $!!! End this socialist agenda!

your thoughts?

Let's do away with all benefits! While we're at it, let's stop all government spending too! Nevermind the fact that it would send us spinning into the greatest depression ever! You've got your guns, your bunker, and your farm ready don't you?

 

[Zorkorist]

Lets continue to be owned by Government, or should I say Big Brother.

George Orwell (1984)

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

It's obvious that Government needs to stop, right now.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Jules,

If you have daughters that need a heads-up...

I've got a head.

-John

 

[theeedude]

They should wait until next year. Let Republicans take the political hit for not extending these, or take a political hit for voting to grow the government.

 

[hal2kilo]

Qu'ils mangent du gâteau

 

[Fern]

Congress has a narrow window to act. Lawmakers return on Nov. 15 for a week before taking off for the Thanksgiving holiday. Then they are back for only two days before the Nov. 30 deadline hits.

^That's not much time.

Are they going to (at least try to ) resolve the expiring tax law issue before 2011?

Given the difficulty in passing the last extension of unemployment benefits, I give this little chance. Also, that was before the elections, kind of lacking political motivation for another 'give-away' now aren't we?

Fern

 

[jhbball]

pffft f'ing idiot who does not realize that getting two years of UI is pretty is welfare. F'ing idiot who does not realize there are limited financial resources in this country. That is not "free" money.

Really no point in arguing with someone with your mentality anyway . So I am done. But I would like to point out a very handy resource that may help empower you to weather the next financial storm:

http://www.daveramsey.com/

Mr. 10th grade education dishing it out. Well done.

 

[halik]

I just hate when the proletariat walks on my private beach.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

I'm 50/50 on this - stop the spending but if we don;t pay the unemployment benefits the economy will collapse further with even less spending compounded by more foreclosures and defaults.

Sucks that those over 50 that are highly skilled/educated can not find jobs any longer.

 

[JEDI]

Let's do away with all benefits! While we're at it, let's stop all government spending too! Nevermind the fact that it would send us spinning into the greatest depression ever! You've got your guns, your bunker, and your farm 1ready don't you?

Yes, yes, no

But w/guns, i can take over a farm

 

[JEDI]

edit (11/18/10):
The $$$ faucet has been finally turned off!

House fails to extend unemployment benefits:
http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/18/news...n_bin&hpt=Sbin

 

[spidey07]

Yep. Republicans listening to The People. Don't spend more unless you can pay for it. There's already tons of money allocated that could be used for the extension but democrats want more deficit spending. Listening to The People, excellent work Republicans.