Unemployed in FL may have to volunteer to get benefit checks

[lxskllr]

this.

lxskllr

Assume you mean when the system is exhausted. The amount an employer pays in is minuscule per employee. I paid in less than $400 last year for me and a part timer.

Sure. It isn't a huge amount paid in per person, but like the rest of the legalized gambling racket, large numbers make up the difference.

You people who want to limit benefits to the amount paid in should lobby for those terms on all insurance. Paid $800 for car insurance, but totaled your car? Tough shit. You get $800 and can find the rest yourself. Paid $10,000 for medical, but have to go to the hospital for emergency dialysis due to poisoning? Sucks to be you. We'll keep you in a room for a couple of days for observation, but if you don't come up with the cash, you can go home....

 

[highland145]

Math doesn't matter in LibLand. If $X goes in, $Y comes out... because they said so.

If only we could create a real system in which $400 goes in and $100,000 comes out...

Cali will get a bailout from the fed, imo. So they have it figured out.

 

[ShawnD1]

"The report also suggests that Scott start requiring those applying for unemployment benefits to prove they've been looking for jobs and stop benefits to those who aren't."

This is a good idea. I thought this was standard in every state

There was even a Seinfeld episode about it.

Why are the unemployment benefits still going? Usually welfare is what pays when unemployment runs out and you can't get a job. That was the whole point of welfare - it's the absolute last resort that keeps you fed and clothed when the shit is really bad.

THE EMPLOYEE DOES NOT PAY ANYTHING TOWARDS UNEMPLOYMENT!!!!!

I'm curious what American pay checks look like. Up in Canada it shows how much you were paid then it shows federal gubment's cut, provincial gubment's cut, amount deducted for pension contribution, amount deducted for unemployment insurance. It straight up says on my pay check how much I put into UI.

 

[Chocu1a]

Sure. It isn't a huge amount paid in per person, but like the rest of the legalized gambling racket, large numbers make up the difference.

You people who want to limit benefits to the amount paid in should lobby for those terms on all insurance. Paid $800 for car insurance, but totaled your car? Tough shit. You get $800 and can find the rest yourself. Paid $10,000 for medical, but have to go to the hospital for emergency dialysis due to poisoning? Sucks to be you. We'll keep you in a room for a couple of days for observation, but if you don't come up with the cash, you can go home....

Again, you the employee have not paid in from your own pocket on unemployment.

I give up.

 

[highland145]

I'm curious what American pay checks look like. Up in Canada it shows how much you were paid then it shows federal gubment's cut, provincial gubment's cut, amount deducted for pension contribution, amount deducted for unemployment insurance. It straight up says on my pay check how much I put into UI.

Employees don't pay the UI so it's not on their check. Likewise, the social security/medicare paid by the employer isn't listed.

Otherwise, the same.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

What part of basic economics don't you understand? I have $10 per week to feed my cat, but I don't have time to do it, so I pay you. Cat food is $3, so that leaves $7 to pay you. Gas to get the food is $2, that leaves $5 to pay you. If I have to pay $2 for your health insurance, that leaves $3, and if I have to pay $1 to unemployment, that leaves your pay at $2.

You can make up all the bullshit numbers you want, but that's how it works. Just because it isn't spelled out in bold font on your pay stub, it doesn't mean it isn't there :^S

No one's going to feed your cat if you do it that way. The way MOST people do it is that they buy the cat food/supplies for the person doing the job. Actually, I have never worked anywhere where I had to buy the supplies out of my own pocket - that's just stupid. That cuts out the cost of the food and the gas.

And different employers do things differently. Benefits packages are treated separately from salary for many. It's an incentive to stay with the company, rather than just having your employer write the paychecks out of your account. Try rejecting your benefits package at work - see if your salary is increased.

Edit:

Just for simplicity sake, when you get a paycheck, deductions are usually broken down for you:

State taxes - income
State taxes - FICA
Federal taxes - income
Federal taxes- FICA

FICA does not include health insurance for people under 65.

 

[zephyrprime]

Sounds like a good idea to me. Keep in mind, production creates employment. Even though volunteering is not a very high value form of production, the extra labor expended will create more goods and services thereby creating more real employment as well.

 

[brandonb]

Great idea. They should do this for welfare as well (and other social services).

 

[Zebo]

About fuckin time. Every form of welfare should have a work 40 hr a week requirement. Except SS, old people paid their dues.

Not only would this eliminate fraud - hard to deal drugs if you have to show up 40 hours a week - so you would not bother with welfare - it would clean up places and not degrade job skills.

I know Business owners who employ family members & friends for 6 months them have them go on UE for, now, up to three years. Sure it's fraud but undetectable and would be axed with a work requirement.

 

[Siddhartha]

Employees pay for unemployment insurance and should not have to work for the benefits.

The unemployed are the poor,welfare queens!!!, of the 21th century. Anybody remember how effectively Mr Reagan and GOP demonized the poor?

 

[Zebo]

In My Humble Opinion:

(1) Initial benefits should be without question.

(2) After a certain timeframe (60 days? 90 days?) you should have to show you're actively looking for work. Participation in the state's headhunting service. Form from a private employment agency/headhunter. Note & Business Card from an interview you participated in. Something.

(3) After a much longer timeframe? I agree with the sentiment there could/should be some exchange for the money. Even if such extended benefits were voluntary. Registering your availability for (a couple days a week?) community service is a pretty simple act, and hardly "slavery".

That's probably a more balanced approach.. Maybe 30 days free then you gotta show at a work site for continued benefit.

 

[Zebo]

Here's what makes it even more terrible.
The worker pays for unemployment insurance. Loses their job. To get the benefits THEY paid for Florida is going to demand they do UNPAID work for the state.

Sounds like SLAVERY to me.

I guess the next step is if your house catches fire you have to work for Florida to get your insurance benefits?

Why you keep saying this bullshit? Employers pay the benefit. In my states it's 2% FED and 2% State for a total of 4% of every gross dollar you pay an employee.

Slaves don't get paid and/or have no choice. Fail.

 

[Slew Foot]

LOL at the dumbocrats who have no idea of economics.

 

[Zebo]

Internet Bubble-->Real Estate Bubble-->Government Bubble-->Hyperinflation-->Revolution

Oh yeah and none of this with matter within 5 years when whole system blows up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRvjufH29vE&feature=player_embedded

 

[chucky2]

So my idea will be tried, guess we'll see just how bad FL will tank. Methinks it won't be anywhere close to as bad as one here has said... 😀

 

[matt0611]

Makes sense, if you're on unemployment you should be doing SOMETHING, cleaning up a park, sweeping the floors, volunteering at a charity, anything. Even if its just 10-15 hours a week. You should not be sitting on your butt collecting money from other people.

 

[nageov3t]

Makes sense, if you're on unemployment you should be doing SOMETHING, cleanings up a park, sweeping the floors, volunteering at a charity, anything. Even if its just 10-15 hours a week. You should not sitting on your butt collecting money from other people.

it always seemed odd that we'd simultaneously have millions collecting unemployment while illegal immigrants are crossing the border to work... why not pay people their unemployment checks as payment for picking vegetables?

 

[theeedude]

Stupid idea, yeah, let's pay people to not look for a job, not work on their skills, and leave their kids unattended while they do charity work.
Plus if someone volunteers at a religious charity to get benefits, that's state endorsement of religion with taxpayer money. Hello lawsuits.

 

[ShawnD1]

Plus if someone volunteers at a religious charity to get benefits, that's state endorsement of religion with taxpayer money. Hello lawsuits.

If that were true, the ACLU would sue the federal government because donations to churches are tax deductible. That means the US government officially supports giving money to religions. Oh mah gawd.

The separation of church and state only says that the government isn't allowed to favor one religion over another. They can't force you to work for a specific church to get your welfare payment, but they can force you to volunteer and let you pick a church as your place of volunteering. 😎

 

[theeedude]

If that were true, the ACLU would sue the federal government because donations to churches are tax deductible. That means the US government officially supports giving money to religions. Oh mah gawd.

The separation of church and state only says that the government isn't allowed to favor one religion over another. They can't force you to work for a specific church to get your welfare payment, but they can force you to volunteer and let you pick a church as your place of volunteering. 😎

No, it says "endorsement of religion" it does not say endorsement of one religion over another. I don't want my taxpayer money going to pay people to work for charity. These people should be looking for jobs, not helping others while they should be helping themselves.

 

[Scotteq]

Stupid idea, yeah, let's pay people to not look for a job, not work on their skills, and leave their kids unattended while they do charity work.

Well - One could argue that long term unemployment pays people to not look for work, as well. 😉

Plus if someone volunteers at a religious charity to get benefits, that's state endorsement of religion with taxpayer money. Hello lawsuits.

The crux of the argument for it is that one would be required to volunteer for community service on behalf of the government in exchange for long term government money. Not volunteer for your church.

Stuff like Scraping and repainting local bridges, or cleaning up the garbage in the parks. Not painting your church.

 

[ShawnD1]

No, it says "endorsement of religion" it does not say endorsement of one religion over another. I don't want my taxpayer money going to pay people to work for charity. These people should be looking for jobs, not helping others while they should be helping themselves.

What would they be doing to help themselves? When I graduated and was looking for a job, I would spend a couple hours writing nice personalized cover letters then spend the rest of the day playing world of warcraft.

Then I got a shitty low paying job until I got a real job. I would apply for real jobs, work my shit job, then spend the rest of my time either doing stuff with people (because I now had money to do stuff) then play world of warcraft when nobody was available to do anything.

 

[theeedude]

What would they be doing to help themselves? When I graduated and was looking for a job, I would spend a couple hours writing nice personalized cover letters then spend the rest of the day playing world of warcraft.

Then I got a shitty low paying job until I got a real job. I would apply for real jobs, work my shit job, then spend the rest of my time either doing stuff with people (because I now had money to do stuff) then play world of warcraft when nobody was available to do anything.

So? You were free to volunteer your time to charity instead of playing WoW.
Or you needed the government to force you?
Others do take advantage of their downtime to study up and prepare for interviews.

 

[JSt0rm]

Confirming conservatives want the unemployed to work for the government and end up taking private sector jobs.

 

[ElFenix]

That makes no sense. Employers pay into a state/federal fund. No where do the employees pay a tax or fee or deduction that goes into this fund. Show me your proof & I will concede. But as a manager I know what I am saying based on many, many, training meetings & discussions on how to terminate employees.
Unemployment benefits are paid out based on length of employment. There is actually a hearing with the employer & the unemployment agency that determines whether or not an employee will receive benefits. (I have had to provide information on this many, many times)
Employees are never ,ever held financially responsible for paying into the unemployment tax.

as an economic burden almost all employees pay the employer's 'share' of the taxes. the legal burden is on the employer but that doesn't mean the employer is actually bearing the cost.