Unemployed in FL may have to volunteer to get benefit checks

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chucky2

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Confirming conservatives want the unemployed to actually work for the free money they're getting, thereby chosing to go get a private sector job and get paid full salary instead of working for a reduced one, so as to not have the government pay people not work; or, to at least get something from the people getting paid not to work in the areas where jobs aren't available....oh, the horror...

Fixed. Much more accurate now.

Chuck
 

PeshakJang

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Stupid idea, yeah, let's pay people to not look for a job, not work on their skills,


That's what we are doing already.

and leave their kids unattended while they do charity work.
Are you a moron or just an idiot? It's not charity work, it's not volunteer work, it's a JOB working for the GOVERNMENT. They are PAYING YOU FOR SERVICE. You get a check for completing SERVICE tot he COMMUNITY.

If they can't survive having to work 10-15 hours a week for their unemployment check, HOW THE HELL are they going to survive with a real job?

God DAMNIT you liberals are fucking dumb.

Plus if someone volunteers at a religious charity to get benefits, that's state endorsement of religion with taxpayer money. Hello lawsuits.
Jesus H Titty Fucking Christ you're a retard.
 

Scotteq

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Confirming conservatives want the unemployed to work for the government and end up taking private sector jobs.


Work in exchange for money. You know - What everyone does. ;)


Besides: Spending days and days scraping paint and rust off of bridges, or performing repair work in housing projects, or cleaning up garbage.. (or any number of unpleasant tasks that are nevertheless necessary and for the benefit and well being of society at large)... might just provide a little motivation to get a real job. :D


Alternatively: I would also support workforce training - perhaps even with kickers dependent on performance - for long~term unemployed.
 
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chucky2

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as an economic burden almost all employees pay the employer's 'share' of the taxes. the legal burden is on the employer but that doesn't mean the employer is actually bearing the cost.

I get what you're saying, but, it's not like these employers would be paying the employees what they're paying in for Unemployment. They'd just pocket it.

Chuck
 

senseamp

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Well - One could argue that long term unemployment pays people to not look for work, as well. ;)





The crux of the argument for it is that one would be required to volunteer for community service on behalf of the government in exchange for long term government money. Not volunteer for your church.

Stuff like Scraping and repainting local bridges, or cleaning up the garbage in the parks. Not painting your church.

I don't see why I should be forced by the government to give my time to charity to get something I payed unemployment insurance premiums for. Should we make the elderly clean toilets to get Medicare reimbursements?
 

senseamp

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That's what we are doing already.

Are you a moron or just an idiot? It's not charity work, it's not volunteer work, it's a JOB working for the GOVERNMENT. They are PAYING YOU FOR SERVICE. You get a check for completing SERVICE tot he COMMUNITY.

If they can't survive having to work 10-15 hours a week for their unemployment check, HOW THE HELL are they going to survive with a real job?

God DAMNIT you liberals are fucking dumb.

Jesus H Titty Fucking Christ you're a retard.

Lost control of your verbal faculties?
 

ElFenix

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I get what you're saying, but, it's not like these employers would be paying the employees what they're paying in for Unemployment. They'd just pocket it.

Chuck

not if they're hiring up to their marginal revenue. if they're hiring up to their marginal revenue, then that money would go to the employee. total compensation would stay the same, the mix would differ.
 

Scotteq

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I don't see why I should be forced by the government to give my time to charity to get something I payed unemployment insurance premiums for. Should we make the elderly clean toilets to get Medicare reimbursements?

As explained time and again in this thread: Individuals do not pay Unemployment Insurance.
 

matt0611

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I don't see why I should be forced by the government to give my time to charity to get something I payed unemployment insurance premiums for. Should we make the elderly clean toilets to get Medicare reimbursements?

You didn't pay for 2 years worth of unemployment insurance...
 

shiner

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I've been saying this for at least 20 years now. Bring back the CCC and the WPA and those that are collecting unemployment must work for one of those agencies in order to get a check.
 

drebo

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I think you should be forced to go to the unemployment line every single day. Sit in a chair for 4 hours and wait to get your check every day. That leaves four hours of the work day left for "looking for a job".

I also think unemployment should be in the form of rent assistance vouchers and food stamps. Just like with welfare, there are way, way too many people on unemployment with $50k cars, 60-inch TVs, cellphones, premium cable channels, and other ridiculous luxuries.
 

senseamp

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As explained time and again in this thread: Individuals do not pay Unemployment Insurance.

It's part of overall compensation. That money was paid on behalf of the individual. If your employer pays for your health benefits, should you have to do community service to see a doctor too?
 

Zebo

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I've been saying this for at least 20 years now. Bring back the CCC and the WPA and those that are collecting unemployment must work for one of those agencies in order to get a check.

All social welfare should be like this. well except SS like I said old people paid their dues and are not much use anyway.
 

Zebo

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It's part of overall compensation. That money was paid on behalf of the individual. If your employer pays for your health benefits, should you have to do community service to see a doctor too?

It's a tax paid by your employer. He can't opt out...well unless he's clever enough to 1099 you. Much like he can't opt out of paying your SS and workmans comp. Way you make it sound is employer is paying it out of goodness of his heart. No he's paying because they will put him in jail or fine if he doesn't
 

Zebo

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Work in exchange for money. You know - What everyone does. ;)


Besides: Spending days and days scraping paint and rust off of bridges, or performing repair work in housing projects, or cleaning up garbage.. (or any number of unpleasant tasks that are nevertheless necessary and for the benefit and well being of society at large)... might just provide a little motivation to get a real job. :D


Alternatively: I would also support workforce training - perhaps even with kickers dependent on performance - for long~term unemployed.


Democrats depend on something for nothing to keep a large percentage of their voters on D plantation. That's why it will never change till we go broke.
 

Chocu1a

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Unemployment insurance is not part of a benefit package. It is a state/federal mandated fee the employer has to pay...omfg...so many retarded people ...you guys make my brain hurt.
If you repeatedly went to a doctor for a bunch of medical reasons your insurance would deny the claim & drop you. End of story. it is not an endless pot to draw from. JFC!
Your silly arguments are so ridiculous.
 

JSt0rm

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you guys can jump on me but you are the ones advocating a large government workforce. What if we did the same thing with prisons? Have them do labor jobs that used to be private industry. Hey it saves money right?
 

ShawnD1

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So? You were free to volunteer your time to charity instead of playing WoW.
That's exactly the point. Right now unemployed people are playing WoW all day. People in FL are suggesting that maybe WoW is a huge waste of time and those people should be doing something more productive like volunteering.


Or you needed the government to force you?
Why the hell would I work when I don't need to? When it comes to picking up dog shit in the local park vs playing WoW all day, I think I would rather play WoW.


Others do take advantage of their downtime to study up and prepare for interviews.
It's totally hopeless. For every 1 job there are 100 people applying. You're not going to get it, you should give up and pick up dog shit until things improve. Or if this thing doesn't pass, continue playing WoW. Fallout New Vegas is pretty good too.



Confirming conservatives want the unemployed to work for the government and end up taking private sector jobs.
At least it's not as bad as the time they suggested prisoners do government work like print license plates and do road clean up and construction projects. What that does is put an incentive to put more people in jail. It's basically like a form of slavery. Find people, find a reason to put them in jail, then use them as cheap slave labor to build something.
 
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drebo

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you guys can jump on me but you are the ones advocating a large government workforce. What if we did the same thing with prisons? Have them do labor jobs that used to be private industry. Hey it saves money right?

Last I checked, picking up garbage on the side of roads wasn't a private industry job. Also, the idea is to get them to do jobs that municipalities and the state would have to hire them to do. Cleaning Parks & Rec bathrooms, for instance.

Hey, here's an idea...make them shovel the snow off the sidewalks! Two problems solved!
 

ElFenix

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It is a state/federal mandated fee the employer has to pay
so?
...omfg...so many retarded people ...you guys make my brain hurt.
If you repeatedly went to a doctor for a bunch of medical reasons your insurance would deny the claim & drop you. End of story. it is not an endless pot to draw from. JFC!
Your silly arguments are so ridiculous.

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Zebo

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you guys can jump on me but you are the ones advocating a large government workforce. What if we did the same thing with prisons? Have them do labor jobs that used to be private industry. Hey it saves money right?

What are you talking about? they are already getting paid for sitting at home. i.e. the "large gov't workforce" is already there. Lets make them do something for it now.

As far as grand schema of things, I already said 100000x since we don't produce what we consume and instead put food on Chinese tables we are creating a dependency class. This is the price for free trade religion. You have three choices. Let them Starve. Pay them to sit at home. Pay them to do make work.
 

JSt0rm

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Last I checked, picking up garbage on the side of roads wasn't a private industry job. Also, the idea is to get them to do jobs that municipalities and the state would have to hire them to do. Cleaning Parks & Rec bathrooms, for instance.

Hey, here's an idea...make them shovel the snow off the sidewalks! Two problems solved!

whatever you say comrade.
 

Scotteq

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It's part of overall compensation. That money was paid on behalf of the individual. If your employer pays for your health benefits, should you have to do community service to see a doctor too?

Firstly - It's part of the Taxes the Government levys on all Businesses/employers. It does not come from your paycheck, and therefore it is not part of "your" compensation.

Secondly - I can collect on my health insurance and still work; unless I'm really sick. And *I* also pay a large proportion of that health insurance out of my own pocket.

Third: Why do (you) have to phrase it like this is some kind of absolute? The point of the proposal is that - at some point - people should have to perform some service for the compensation. I support the idea: If you want extended benefits, then pony up to the plate with some of your time/effort/expertise.

To wit:

In My Humble Opinion:

(1) Initial benefits should be without question.

(2) After a certain timeframe (60 days? 90 days?) you should have to show you're actively looking for work. Participation in the state's headhunting service. Form from a private employment agency/headhunter. Note & Business Card from an interview you participated in. Something.

(3) After a much longer timeframe? I agree with the sentiment there could/should be some exchange for the money. Even if such extended benefits were voluntary. Registering your availability for (a couple days a week?) community service is a pretty simple act, and hardly "slavery".