Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[Darkman]

The entire thing: (Video - 22:48)

Raw: Mark O'Mara & Benjamin Crump talk about George Zimmerman Case

Watch: http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/raw-mark-omara-benjamin-crump-talk-about-george/vzQ4f/

 

[Druidx]

To say race is not an issue here is disingenuous. It is the MAJOR factor here. GZ suspicion was triggered by seeing a black youth he was not familiar with. It doesn't mean he himself is racist, but race played a factor in his decisions that night. You mentioned context, if I take everything I have come to know about GZ, in context, GZ uses race to define many of his actions. His past deeds clearly show that to be the case.

You make race an issue every chance you get because you know you have nothing else. If a group of white teens had been burglarizing the neighborhood and GZ was suspicious of an white teen you wouldn't be crying about racism and profiling. The fact TM was black is ONLY an issue because he fit the description of the people burglarizing the neighborhood not simply because he was black. Of course I'm not surprised you take that view because you are so obviously blinded by it. When I pointed out how several of your claims about this case were wrong such as...
**You claimed Witness 11 said something when she didn't.
**You said it matched what Deedee said when it didn't
**You said you wouldn't believe anything GZ said since he lied about something small, while at the same time insisting everyone should believe everything DD said because she only led about something small.
**You claimed Londo and others said DD shouldn't;t be able to testify, I said you were wrong and asked you to back it up with a link, still waiting by the way.
**You said DD's little lie wasn't exculpatory so it didn't matter. I provided a link to a Florida case which confirms it's exculpatory because it could be used to impeach her.

How did you respond?

Whatever. You, geo, spatial, spidey, and a couple others. Truth is you are just glad the black kid is dead. That's all it is. Forget how or why this happened. Forget the kids rights or his family. Its okay for a 28 year old dude to fuck with a 17 year old.

I just gave you several specific examples how you were wrong. How do you respond, you call people racist. So I ask you again, What the fuck does TM's color have to do with you being wrong several times in this topic?

 

[EagleKeeper]

That's your opinion. Show me your posts where you challenged the obvious racist nonsense that's be going on here for years? You got nothing, but the same bs that the rest of these guys throw out. You bitch and complain about blacks, but the minute someone like me points out the other side of the coin, you scream black racist. Give me fin break...................

They run out, find degrading news stories and post them as if they are the norm for African Americans. They pile up hundreds of fracking posts, but the stories that show the same crimes being committed by whites, gets 2 dozen posts.

I agree that there is racial nonsense in P&N

What I am pointing out is that you claim you are a pure as snow; yet you are one of the few here that continue to insist that this is a racial issue vs a issue of a teenage being profiled and two males making choices that were of poor judgement.

You insist on pulling out the race card everychance that you get when the facts are presented.

Which is exactly what you did here.

 

[werepossum]

EK didn't say race wasn't an issue, he said this wasn't an issue of racism, so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up after quoting him. GZ's suspicion was by seeing a person he was not familiar with, that was where GZ felt this person didn't belong (in Frank Taaffe's front yard). This place also happened to be literally next door to a home that had been recently burglarized, and I think Frank Taaffe's place may have been hit too (not sure about that). GZ also thought this person's behavior seemed odd given the rain.

Could GZ have misread this person's behavior? Sure. Did the fact that ALL the previous burglaries had been reportedly committed by unknown young black males and the fact that TM was an unknown young black male play A part in GZ's suspicions? I'd say so, and I think anybody else would have felt the same way. Was the mere fact that this unknown person was black the MAJOR factor in why GZ was suspicious? I'd say definitely not.

If GZ had seen an unknown young black male casually walking down the sidewalk with another young black male that he knew to be a resident, on a bright sunny day, wearing basketball shorts and t-shirts, laughing and seemingly joking with one another, do you think GZ would have called the police on them?

Regardless, TM's race had nothing to do with why GZ shot him, and that's why we're talking about this in the first place, and why GZ was charged with a crime.



Such as the deed of mentoring those two black children? Or rallying for the prosecution of that police lieutenant's white son, because he attacked a black homeless man? Or encouraging his family to vote for Obama because he thought it would be symbolic of change in America? If that's what you're implying, then I guess I agree with you.

I do not believe that Zimmerman is in any way racist, but I do believe that had Martin not been black, Zimmerman would have been less certain of his profile, might therefore have acted with more politeness and restraint, and this whole thing might have been nothing more than the police briefly interviewing Martin. That isn't racism; no less than Jesse Jackson experienced such prejudices based on observing reality. Nor do I believe it to be evidence of criminal behavior; however badly Zimmerman acted, Martin made the decision to attack him and mount him.

That's your opinion. Show me your posts where you challenged the obvious racist nonsense that's be going on here for years? You got nothing, but the same bs that the rest of these guys throw out. You bitch and complain about blacks, but the minute someone like me points out the other side of the coin, you scream black racist. Give me fin break...................

They run out, find degrading news stories and post them as if they are the norm for African Americans. They pile up hundreds of fracking posts, but the stories that show the same crimes being committed by whites, gets 2 dozen posts.

One big reason for this is that when the thugs are white, no one stands up for them. No one screams profiling, or racism. If a young black Neighborhood Watchman confronts a young white man, gets attacked, and shoots the man dead, you won't find Spidey or Spatial calling for his imprisonment. You'll find them saying good riddance.

Takes two sides to go from two dozen posts to hundreds, dude.

 

[Darkman]

On the other hand, werepossum ... -- if GZ was black (I mean real black .. as black as TM, say) .... We would not even be here now, and I am pretty sure you know it

Blacks kill blacks ALL the time .. and no one even "winks an eye".....

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[werepossum]

On the other hand, werepossum ... -- if GZ was black (I mean real black .. as black as TM, say) .... We would not even be here now, and I am pretty sure you know it

Blacks kill blacks ALL the time .. and no one even "winks an eye".....

SNIP

This is true. The entire prosecution is based on pressure from Zimmerman being white and Martin being black; almost the entire buzz was because this story seemed to indicate a return to the shameful situation where blacks' lives were considered of little or no worth.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Defendant's response to mr. Crump's memo of law

The following document has been filed with the court:
defendant's response to supplemental memorandum of law in support of motion to determine confidentiality of court records in opposition to defendant's motion to unseal

 

[spidey07]

Defendant's response to mr. Crump's memo of law

So THAT's why Crump was so hasty on getting the HOA lawfuit done and settled. That way he can claim they can't depose him and possibly shield the Martin's from testifying/questioning.

In addition Team Z-man must know the settlement to show bias in witness testimony, specifically the racist family who have very much to gain financially with their bias and flat out lies.

 

[Darkman]

So you guys think O'Mara will be asking for another extension?

I already heard that suggestion on several sites ... including latest sundance's post:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...ge-zimmerman-needs-another-snorkel-extension/

 

[Darkman]

So you guys think O'Mara will be asking for another extension?

I already heard that suggestion on several sites ... including latest sundance's post:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...ge-zimmerman-needs-another-snorkel-extension/

Actually, LOL ... possibly he meant something in a sacrastic way....

what a heck is: "Snorkel Extension" ? ()

My English is too poor, looks like

Ah OK .. Snorkel - https://www.google.ca/search?q=Snor...mG2gXHq4CoBg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=947

Should learn about this extension however

I am starting to think sundance meant something REALLY sarcastic by this... :biggrin:

 

[Darkman]

Sanford memorial dedicated for Trayvon Martin, other families

By John W. Davis, Reporter
Last Updated: Saturday, April 27, 2013, 8:27 PM

SANFORD --
A new memorial was dedicated Saturday not only for Trayvon Martin, but for 10 other people who were killed in Sanford.

Families of the victims used the occasion to share their stories and speak out for closure and justice.

The new Trayvon Martin Memorial was established at the Goldsboro Welcome Center on Historic Goldsboro Boulevard in Sanford.

It features Trayvon Martin’s name on a headstone and 10 other Sanford area residents who family members say were killed unjustly.

Read more: http://www.cfnews13.com/content/new...icles/cfn/2013/4/27/sanford_memorial_ded.html

 

[spidey07]

Ummm, Martin wasn't a "victim". Zimmerman was the victim of a vicious and brutal felony beating.

Martin was the one who choose to die that day, the moment he decided to brutally and viciously attack another person who was doing nothing wrong. Martin chose his own fate, his death is purely his own fault. When you brutally and viciously attack somebody like that, getting dead is a completely real outcome. Got what he deserved.

 

[emperus]

On the other hand, werepossum ... -- if GZ was black (I mean real black .. as black as TM, say) .... We would not even be here now, and I am pretty sure you know it

Blacks kill blacks ALL the time .. and no one even "winks an eye".....

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P.S.
You hear that KimmyK ?? .. go and run to CN and report to her what I said, lol...

So DebFromHell said that too ?? ... - so what? (GOOD for her) ... it's the truth, and the truth hurts, eh?

And leave DebFromHell and her cat alone .. - stop bullying her!
As you know, I always STOOD UP and WILL STAND UP to bullies...

Nothing is wrong with DebFromHell and / or her cat, lol ... She is much nicer than most of you there at CW

And her cat is very pretty too... I like it .. what's wrong with it, lol .. beautiful looking pussy, if you ask me:

I want to see some of your faces and figures ... and your pets .. before you start bad-mouthing others...

You saw mine ... lol ( http://shanson-e.tk/forum/showthread.php?t=12186 --- 5 years ago or so .. and the other one even OLDER .. but so what, lol .. I didn't change much anyhow)

Now lets see who you are...

WTF is that:





I communicated with DebFromHell .. and she is FAR from ignorant ... WAY smarter than many of your there.....

and not two-faced either....

Wtf is all this? Is darkman now carrying on conversations with himself? How is this at all rational? I'm upset my account wasn't logged in and I was subjected to this. How is this guy still here?

 

[airdata]

Ummm, Martin wasn't a "victim". Zimmerman was the victim of a vicious and brutal felony beating.

Martin was the one who choose to die that day, the moment he decided to brutally and viciously attack another person who was doing nothing wrong. Martin chose his own fate, his death is purely his own fault. When you brutally and viciously attack somebody like that, getting dead is a completely real outcome. Got what he deserved.

A) He is in fact a victim of violent crime. There's somebody awaiting trial for his murder as we speak. In fact, we're a year + into a thread regarding that.

If everything was as clear cut as you pretend it is, Zimmerman would be a free man already.

B) There's no evidence to the other things you've said and keep repeating in the thread. You're a sad, broken record with a clear bias against trayvon based on his skin color and negative racial stereotypes you think he fits.

 

[spidey07]

A) He is in fact a victim of violent crime. There's somebody awaiting trial for his murder as we speak. In fact, we're a year + into a thread regarding that.

If everything was as clear cut as you pretend it is, Zimmerman would be a free man already.

B) There's no evidence to the other things you've said and keep repeating in the thread. You're a sad, broken record with a clear bias against trayvon based on his skin color and negative racial stereotypes you think he fits.

All evidence, including multiple eye witnesses prove martin committed and was in commission of a forcible felony when shot. Are you going to try to say martin didn't commit a forcible felony and wasn't on top of zimmerman when shot? He cannot be a victim of violent crime when there was NO CRIME COMMITTED other than martin's own felony vicious aggravated assault and battery.

He wasn't charged until the racists started demanding "justice". And now we have a tremendous travesty of justice all perpetuated by a racist attorney and family. It doesn't get much more clear cut than this for self defense thanks to all these mounds of evidence actually proving a brutal and vicious attack by martin followed by justified force in self defense with the victim on their back, pleading for their life, mounted by their attacker after being repeatedly, brutally, viciously, beaten about the face, head and skull.

All the evidence proves this. I will keep hammering home the truth and justice because that truth has not been refuted yet.

 

[Darkman]

Wtf is all this? Is darkman now carrying on conversations with himself? How is this at all rational? I'm upset my account wasn't logged in and I was subjected to this. How is this guy still here?

Yes ... I can talk to myself sometimes, no big deal ...... Just as you can talk to my hand, if you keep on nagging and whining ... no big deal, carry on....

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yea I wonder what she would think if she read your posts? 1 I wonder how she would feel if she read the lengths and how low you clowns will stoop to demonize the kid? 2 If it ain't his skin color, then please tell me what the f it is? 3

1 Based on the evidence that has been released my wife thinks GZ was within his rights to protect himself.

2 Please go find any demonizing posts that I made against TM or his parents. I know you will not find any.

3 It's about a man who exercised his right to self defense after he was attacked/being attacked.

 

[Darkman]

George Zimmerman headed to court for motions hearing

Trayvon Martin's killer may be asked to waive immunity hearing

Author: Tony Pipitone, Investigative Reporter, tpipitone@clickorlando.com

Published On: Apr 29 2013 04:03:18 PM EDT

SANFORD, Fla. -
No fewer than eight motions and demands are slated to be heard by Judge Debra Nelson Tuesday, as George Zimmerman returns to the courtroom where his murder trial is set to begin in six weeks.

But it’s the one item not yet officially on the docket that could prove most interesting.

Prosecutors want Judge Nelson to “conduct a full inquiry” of Zimmerman to make sure he understands he is waiving his right to a pretrial immunity hearing.

At least, it appears he is waiving that right.

... Zimmerman will return to courtroom 5-D at 9 a.m. Tuesday morning.

Read more: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/ge...ing/-/1637132/19939788/-/ammpj0z/-/index.html

 

[airdata]

Spidey : you misinterpret evidence w\ your claims of this, that and the other thing happening. You have stated over and over things to which absolutely no evidence exists.

Nobody knows that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.

What you're doing is you'ore taking the existing witness testimony, and then drawing conclusions which you're passing off as if they're fact... they're not.

Nobody knows how the fight started.

It's as possible and could even be more probable that Zimmerman tried to subdue Trayvon. Notice how I said it's possible/probable and that I'm not pretending to know this is what happened.. It's simply something that could have happened w\ as much or more probability than Trayvon simply attacking Zimmerman as you claim and pretend to have evidence to back up.


Well... as I stated, you simply lack evidence but you keep going like the little broken racist record that could because that's all you know.

 

[spidey07]

I await your evidence that contradicts all the other evidence that proves martin viciously and brutally attacked zimmerman.

I'll wait some more if needed, I keep asking for it yet nobody has provided any in spite of the tremendous mounds of evidence proving martin committing felony aggravated assault and battery in a vicious and brutal assault of an innocent man who was doing nothing wrong.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Spidey : you misinterpret evidence w\ your claims of this, that and the other thing happening. You have stated over and over things to which absolutely no evidence exists.

LMAO!!!!! The pot calling the kettle black.

Nobody knows that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.

Yet GZ has wounds consistent with a person who had been attacked. If it wasn't TM, then who inflicted these wounds on GZ?

What you're doing is you'ore taking the existing witness testimony, and then drawing conclusions which you're passing off as if they're fact... they're not.

Witnesses place TM on top of GZ which does meet the Florida statutes on assault and battery, the wounds move the bar to adding aggravated to the mix and even forcible felony.

Nobody knows how the fight started.

True. However, the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that GZ started the altercation/fight.

It's as possible and could even be more probable that Zimmerman tried to subdue Trayvon. Notice how I said it's possible/probable and that I'm not pretending to know this is what happened.. It's simply something that could have happened w\ as much or more probability than Trayvon simply attacking Zimmerman as you claim and pretend to have evidence to back up.

Yet, there's absolutely no evidence that GZ attempted to subdue TM. The prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this was the case.


Well... as I stated, you simply lack evidence but you keep going like the little broken racist record that could because that's all you know.

Please provide your evidence that disproves spidey's claims.

 

[spidey07]

The awesome thing with just how far Martin took his beating of zimmerman is that even if zimmerman was initial aggressor zimmerman's use of force was still completely and totally without doubt lawful based on all this evidence.

That's why it's such clear cut self defense. All the "what ifs", as unfounded in ANY evidence as they may be can be easily dismissed with:

1) zimmerman on back attempting to escape, martin on top preventing retreat, after martin repeatedly and brutally beat zimmerman about his face, head and skull

Done. That is self defense, no stand your ground needed it's classic self defense, no matter how you look at it or how the beating "started". Or in the eyes of team martin "deserved" the beating was fo disrespectin'

 

[Darkman]

from Twitter:

older pic of Jr.

http://pic.twitter.com/ibVYIjkQn2

 

[Darkman]

George Zimmerman returns to court Tuesday

The judge must decide several issues Tuesday, including whether to ask Zimmerman if he wants a 'stand your ground' hearing.


By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
7:01 p.m. EDT, April 29, 2013


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...immerman-hoa-hearing-20130429,0,6933994.story (includes Video - 2:35)

 

[spidey07]

I can see why he'd bypass the self defense hearing. The judge is being flat out biased and hostile. The judge would rule on immunity and o'mara would be showing his cards.

Too risky against malicious prosecution who are playing dirty with evidence and witnesses.