Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[airdata]

And that profiling was spot on accurate.

The thug committed a forcible felony by beating zimmerman repeatedly about the face, head and skull with a blunt object. Martin turned out exactly who he was suspected of - a violent criminal.

A) There's no evidence showing the racial profiling to be accurate

B) In a court of law racial profiling is a no no. Probably a huge factor in the HOA settling out of court with Trayvon's parents.

Racial profiling, not listening to police, going after a suspect because you feel police won't arrive in time... all grossly negligent acts.

C) Zimmerman didn't suspect him to be a violent criminal, but rather to be a burglar based primarily on the fact that he was black like the burglary suspects.

Luckily the police report properly notes that there's no evidence Trayvon was doing anything wrong or illegal at the time that Zimmerman set out to instigate a confrontation w\ him.

 

[TerryMathews]

As I pointed out earlier in the thread with postings directly from the census bureau, hispanic is filed under Caucasian.

For all intents & purposes, Zimmerman is white.

Now, the initial white vs black hoopla had to do with the fact A) Zimmerman looks white, and B) Zimmerman is a name predominantly held by white people. So people reporting him to be white and angling it like that were not doing anything wrong.

Soon after people discovered his mixed race.... but if the census came to his house he'd be punching ' Caucasian ' on his card.

Regardless of his race, he still racially profiled Zimmerman as has been corroborated by my dear friend EagleKeeper in the past.

But, under HMDA he would report as "Hispanic or latino". The census is not the be all and end all, nor is it the only set of regs the government publishes regarding race. Many are inconsistent.

 

[spidey07]

Those are not negligent acts nor behavior as no reasonable person would consider harm to be done by those acts.

All evidence shows it was Martin who instigated a confrontation and then subsequently committed multiple forcible felonies upon the victim zimmerman.

Any evidence zimmerman committed a crime yet? C'mon...just one single shred vs. all the evidence that actually proves self defense from a vicious and brutal aggravated assault and battery.

 

[TerryMathews]

A) There's no evidence showing the racial profiling to be accurate

B) In a court of law racial profiling is a no no for the police. Probably a huge factor in the HOA settling out of court with Trayvon's parents.

Racial profiling, not listening to police, going after a suspect because you feel police won't arrive in time... all grossly negligent acts.

C) Zimmerman didn't suspect him to be a violent criminal, but rather to be a burglar based primarily on the fact that he was black like the burglary suspects.

Luckily the police report properly notes that there's no evidence Trayvon was doing anything wrong or illegal at the time that Zimmerman set out to instigate a confrontation w\ him.

FTFY. People are generally free to do whatever they want within the bounds of the law.

 

[TerryMathews]

Regardless of his race, he still racially profiled Zimmerman as has been corroborated by my dear friend EagleKeeper in the past.

I'm glad you're seeing the light, my brother!

Building on your revelation, do you think Martin assaulted Zimmerman because he misprofiled him as white?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I'm glad you're seeing the light, my brother!

Building on your revelation, do you think Martin assaulted Zimmerman because he misprofiled him as white?

I think TM profiled him as an easy candidate for an asswhoopin. I'm sure he was quite pissed at the person that ruined his buzz.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Tuesday hearing could be quite interesting to say the least.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/new...icles/cfn/2013/4/26/george_zimmerman_to_.html

Attorneys in the Case Against George Zimmerman are preparing for a key hearing in the case Tuesday and we have confirmed George Zimmerman will be in the courtroom.Zimmerman’s defense attorneys filed a whole stack of paperwork Friday because it is the last chance for attorneys on both sides of the case to bring up matters they want discussed on Tuesday.

Tuesday will be a big day. A whole series of issues will be discussed. But in motions filed just Friday, Zimmerman’s defense team wants to make sure they have everything the state does and it centers around 911 calls made the night Trayvon Martin was fatally shot by Zimmerman.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I just wonder if the defense is going catch Crump in yet another lie. Any bets on whether a enhanced copy of the 911 call actually exists?

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...otions-in-advance-of-april-30th-hearing-date/

Previously Crump claimed a “cleaned up and/or enhanced copy of the calls led to Tracy Martin reversing his original statement about the screams for help NOT being Trayvon Martin.

 

[Darkman]

Here comes Crump.....

SUPPLEMENTAL MEMORANDUM

on 26 April 2013

The following document has been filed with the Court by Mr. Crump:

SUPPLEMENTAL MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO DETERMINE CONFIDENTIALITY OF COURT RECORDS IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO UNSEAL (PDF)

http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/court-documents/153-supplemental-memorandum

 

[Darkman]

HLN will be covering on Tuesday:


Will next hearing set the tone for Zimmerman trial?

By Graham Winch

updated 3:42 PM EDT, Fri April 26, 2013

• Out of the public eye for weeks, George Zimmerman is finally back in court and HLN will be covering it LIVE on Tuesday starting at 9am.

Read more: http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/04/26/critical-hearing-next-week-zimmerman-case

 

[Darkman]

News Analysis: Tension among lawyers rises as Zimmerman trial nears

Published On: Apr 26 2013 06:28:45 PM EDT | Updated On: Apr 26 2013 06:33:25 PM EDT

---- VIDEO ---- (2:05)

Local 6 Investigative Reporter Tony Pipitone looks at some of the key legal issues being debated as prosecutors and defense lawyers prepare for the trial of George Zimmerman.

WATCH: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/ne...nears/-/1637132/19914348/-/5dxkp/-/index.html

 

[OCNewbie]

B) In a court of law racial profiling is a no no.

If I'm not mistaken, you're definitely talking about legality here, "court of law" and all, correct?

Or maybe you'd like to clarify what you mean by "a no no". Are you implying it's illegal for an ordinary citizen, or even a citizen that volunteers as a neighborhood watch person, to profile someone, for any reason, including that person's race?

 

[Tom]

If I'm not mistaken, you're definitely talking about legality here, "court of law" and all, correct?

Or maybe you'd like to clarify what you mean by "a no no". Are you implying it's illegal for an ordinary citizen, or even a citizen that volunteers as a neighborhood watch person, to profile someone, for any reason, including that person's race?

In this case if there was "racial profiling" it doesn't have to be "illegal" to be relevant.

Just like it wasn't "illegal" for Manson's gang to pick Sharon Tate's house. Or for them to get out of their car.

But both facts were relevant to their conviction.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Racial profiling could be relevant. However, there's no evidence to show it took place the night of 2/26/12. The lead investigator for the SPD stated in his report that GZ was suspicious due to TM's apparel rather than race.

Those who want to make this case about race wants everyone to think it was due racial profiling.

 

[OCNewbie]

In this case if there was "racial profiling" it doesn't have to be "illegal" to be relevant.

Are you translating for airdata? He said "In a court of law racial profiling is a no no". With "a no no", did he mean it was "relevant"? I took him to mean it was illegal, and I thought I made that pretty clear with my post.

 

[Darkman]

https://twitter.com/rzimmermanjr

Robert Zimmerman JR‏@ rzimmermanjr - 23h
BTW: Isn't a natural consequence of slamming a head into sidewalk death? Wondering how many head slams cross the line into attempted murder.

Robert Zimmerman JR‏@rzimmermanjr - 7h
@Schaeffler219 Despite his injuries, GZ's gun was never a factor until TM moved to disarm him, after threatening to kill him.

Robert Zimmerman JR‏@rzimmermanjr - 3h
Why so secretive abt earnings? Was it $1million, $2million, 3,4, or more millions? #whatdifferencedoesitmake ?

Robert Zimmerman JR‏@rzimmermanjr - 30m
?? “@Kilameri1: @rzimmermanjr If you ain't from the ghetto, you don't get to judge the ghetto, cause you wouldn't understand the ghetto!”

 

[Tom]

Are you translating for airdata? He said "In a court of law racial profiling is a no no". With "a no no", did he mean it was "relevant"? I took him to mean it was illegal, and I thought I made that pretty clear with my post.

Well, I have to admit I only read your posts so I don't know what he meant.

As far as I know private citizens can make decisions based on race, other than some exceptions like I think who they sell theri house to.

BTW, I'm not saying there was or wasn't racial profiling in this case, or that its relevant or not.

All I'm saying is it doesn't have to be illegal to be relevant.

 

[OCNewbie]

All I'm saying is it doesn't have to be illegal to be relevant.

I agree. airdata likes to always brush aside comments that argue the legality of GZ's actions, so I was just making sure this was airdata actually attempting to make a legality argument.

 

[classy]

I don't think it's grandstanding so much as trying to shut down a line of attack. The State is blatantly allowing Crump to do what it legally can't - coach the witness and shape her testimony.


They live as whites? What the hell does THAT even mean?


I suspect the judge just doesn't want to be tarred with the broad brush of racism.

You are starting to become as much of fing troll as the rest these people. White hispanics are latin folks who have completely white features. Many times short of their name and accent, you would be able to distinguish them from another caucasian. I am not making any claim as this being the case of GZ or any other person.

Everyone gets it....... The flock with you sliding right in with them, we get it, Trayvon is guilty, you hate the family, their attorney, and everyone else who sees this a different way.

 

[TerryMathews]

You are starting to become as much of fing troll as the rest these people. White hispanics are latin folks who have completely white features. Many times short of their name and accent, you would be able to distinguish them from another caucasian. I am not making any claim as this being the case of GZ or any other person.

Everyone gets it....... The flock with you sliding right in with them, we get it, Trayvon is guilty, you hate the family, their attorney, and everyone else who sees this a different way.

So, to summarize, your argument is "they all look the same to me"?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Why is trayvon's side so intently focused on whether zimmerman was white, black, yellow, mild beige, I mean who the hell cares?



The overt racism that comes from that side is just revolting to me.

This case is very simple. It's about a young man who brutally attacked an innocent neighborhood watch guy. It's about a young man with a long history (both legally proven and 'socially' irrefutable) which includes violence, theft, and dealing drugs.

We have massive amounts of evidence which proves all of this. I wish you would get past the "black and white" of it. The rest of us already have.

 

[classy]

https://twitter.com/rzimmermanjr


Robert Zimmerman JR‏@rzimmermanjr - 7h
@Schaeffler219 Despite his injuries, GZ's gun was never a factor until TM moved to disarm him, after threatening to kill him.

Think about that statement for a second. How can that statement be true? For that statement to be true, it defies all the facts that we know so far.

How could Trayvon even see or feel a gun? It was dark and Zimmerman had on a large coat. The gun according to GZ was on his hip behind his back. They end up on the ground with Trayvon on top of GZ. So we have approximately 350 lbs laying on top of the gun. GZ has a broken nose, is having his head slammed into concrete, he has been over powered, mounted, and being beat about the head. But some how Trayvon sees, feels (no idea how this could even be possible), and goes for his gun.

Now with all this going on GZ is able reach down, unholster the gun and shoot his attacker. Only fingerprints on the gun belonged to GZ. Its just not possible.


Let me tell you what probably happened.
When John said he was going go call the cops, Trayvon heard that and was getting from off top of GZ, which allowed GZ to reach behind his back and pull the gun. GZ is holding onto to Trayvon's sweatshirt, Trayvon sees the gun and starts screaming. Out of anger GZ shoots him. There is just no other way to explain how GZ could unholster his weapon from under his coat, behind him on his hip, with a 160-170lb kid on top of him beating him, unless the kid stopped and was attempting to get off from being on top.

I would also be very interested in knowing the fingerprints that were lifted from the gun. Where they are on the weapon and from which hand the prints are from.

 

[classy]

So, to summarize, your argument is "they all look the same to me"?

It has been mentioned several times about him being a white hispanic. White hispanic means exactly what I described and you can google it. No one is even remotely trying to say they all look like, serious fail there. I even said point blank, I don't know if that is the case with GZ. Stop acting like you are too stupid to understand, well maybe it ain't an act.

 

[TerryMathews]

It has been mentioned several times about him being a white hispanic. White hispanic means exactly what I described and you can google it. No one is even remotely trying to say they all look like, serious fail there. I even said point blank, I don't know if that is the case with GZ. Stop acting like you are too stupid to understand, well maybe it ain't an act.

You're the one trying to justify "they live as whites."

Hispanics are a protected minority, just like African American.

You guys are always trying to make this back into whitey killed a minority. Stop it.

Edit: and yes, you did say it.

Many times short of their name and accent, you would be able to distinguish them from another caucasian.

 

[classy]

You're the one trying to justify "they live as whites."

Hispanics are a protected minority, just like African American.

You guys are always trying to make this back into whitey killed a minority. Stop it.

Edit: and yes, you did say it.

Why don't you just google what white Hispanic means. They are whites, but their ethnicity is Hispanic. And often appearance wise are not distinguishable from a white person who is of non-Hispanic origin.