Londo_Jowo
Lifer
No, GZ also states there was an exchange of words just not the same as Dee Dee. Based on the fact that Dee Dee had to be reminded they needed the truth and nothing more makes her statements just as questionable as GZ's statements.
Here you go yet again, no warning or warning shots are required by the "Justified use of force" laws/statutes.
No matter how you try to spin it you can't change the fact that two witnesses place TM on top of GZ mere seconds before the shot was fired. GZ had head and facial wounds while TM had no defense wounds/injuries. One witness claimed that GZ was struggling to get free prior to the shot. All of this lines up with self defense and doesn't require anything from GZ to determine this to be the case.
I will admit to being biased when you do the same.
edit; After reading the above post I see I am just wasting my time.
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Londo_Jowo
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Lmao a child predator. You people are seriously grasping for straws
Did he not chase down a child and then fatally shoot them?
Don't make me go to the ol' websters dictionary and show you guys the definition of adult again.
Londo_Jowo
Lifer
Color has nothing to do with the situation, I would feel the same way if TM was white, Asian, or Hispanic.
When you break somebody's nose in a vicious and brutal attack, repeatedly beat them about the head nearly making them unconscious, putting any reasonable person in great fear for their life, getting dead is a VERY real possibility and a totally legal one at that.
All evidence proves zimmerman shot in self defense with zero evidence showing he committed any crime.
Londo_Jowo
Lifer
All you have to do is show some proof that this wasn't a case of self defense and I will more than happy to support putting GZ away for a long time. The problem is you know that neither the prosecution nor yourself have anything to disprove self defense.
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Londo_Jowo
Lifer
Don't make us show you examples of people that's TM age that have been tried as adults.
Londo_Jowo
Lifer
GZ never claimed that TM grabbed the gun, he said felt that TM was reaching for the gun.
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Right, and if TM had touched anything it would've been the holster, which came back as indeterminate as far as TM's DNA being present.
Someone earlier posted a link which makes it very clear, from a geneticist who was an expert on DNA evidence, a person can touch something and not leave DNA. Especially if the contact is very brief.
But again, none of this matters seeing as how GZ never claimed TM laid hands on the gun or holster.
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But here is why the fact there is no DNA on the gun is so important. He claims Trayvon was reaching for the gun saying he was going to die tonight. So here you have a teenager who has over powered a guy, he feels and goes for his gun, but yet there is no dna of Trayvon on the weapon. No way does that make sense. The kid would have fought for and probably grabbed the gun and at worst you would have some defensive wounds somewhere on Zimmerman. Any rational person would assume the kid would go ballistic trying to take the gun as he has already over powered the guy.
It doesn't make sense....................
SpatiallyAware
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Classy you are acting like a complete idiot, and are clearly in denial about this.
It's sort of sad to see the crumponites disappear and/or fall apart now that not one thing has come out to show this wasn't self defense.
It's sort of sad to see the crumponites disappear and/or fall apart now that not one thing has come out to show this wasn't self defense.
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Where did the word grab come into play.
Or is this another of the pro-TM word twisting
This yet another 'fingers in ears screaming la-la-la-la' playing dumb argument, in a long list of completely illogical conclusions from the crumptonite crew.
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TM needs at least one hand to control and keep on beating GZ
A second hand reaches for (not grabs the weapon).
TM only has two hands
GZ blocks the hand of TM reaching for the weapon.
GZ has a hand free - able to reach the weapon.
GZ only has two hands
TM uses a hand to control.
GZ uses a hand to defend.
TM overconfident that he will come out ahead; he already has GZ whimpering and beaten on the ground.
GZ is fearful for his life; adrenaline kicks in.
Defense wins
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In the heat of the moment, GZ could have mistakenly thought TM was going for his weapon, and possibly misheard what TM said as well.
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Would not suprise me if TM was stating that he was "going to kill you" while pounding GZ.
TM may have meant is metaphorically, but how was GZ to know that.
the absence of evidence has meaning too. If there was dna from Martin on the gun it would have helped Zimmerman's defense.
The absence of it weakens his story but doesn't disprove it, unless he said at some point Martin grabbed it.
The absence of it weakens his story but doesn't disprove it, unless he said at some point Martin grabbed it.
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Which is yet more evidence or lawful self defense. If you reach for another's weapon they are automatically considered in fear of life and can shoot.
Wrong... Read the FBI testimony of GZ's best friend who he called the night of the shooting. He claims GZ said he pried TM's hand off of the gun.
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