Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[Londo_Jowo]

Just an IQ over 80 and an unbiased examination of the evidence would do it.

Well I guess that means you've just disqualified yourself as your view is far from being unbiased.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Yet now, after this process concluded there's no evidence that backs up the probable cause affidavit that was used to arrest and charge GZ with 2nd degree murder.

Had political correctness and mod rule not been thrown into the mix GZ would have never been charged as the Seminole County DA/Sanford PD knew they didn't have evidence to prove this was not a case of self defense.

What you forget to mention is the political pressure to NOT investigate and charge in Florida murder cases claiming SYG. I like the "mod rule", Freudian slip there?

 

[WHAMPOM]

Well I guess that means you've just disqualified yourself as your view is far from being unbiased.

Infantile, but ditto right back at you.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What you forget to mention is the political pressure to NOT investigate and charge in Florida murder cases claiming SYG. I like the "mod rule", Freudian slip there?

Yet, to date there's no evidence that shows that this is anything other than a case of self defense. The affidavit the charges were based on has been shown to be anything but truth. I can't wait to see how Dee Dee's story will change during the defense's deposition of her.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Infantile, but ditto right back at you.

LMAO!!! So funny coming from the person who just tried to bring IQ into the argument.

 

[WHAMPOM]

LMAO!!! So funny coming from the person who just tried to bring IQ into the argument.

Predictable that a factual statement would seem funny to you.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Predictable that a factual statement would seem funny to you.

I bet my IQ is as high if not higher than yours. My lowest test in the Navy was 134 and the highest 140.

 

[OCNewbie]

WHAMPOM, the vast majority of your posts are very juvenile in nature, and you tend to avoid focusing on the case itself, and instead attack posters (with juvenile/infantile comments) whose opinions differ from your own. Let's just make that clear.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Just an IQ over 80 and an unbiased examination of the evidence would do it.

IQ should have nothing to do with the situation.

the problem is the unbiased view.

How the evidence is laid out to a person will present some bias itself.

People want to bring in Zimmerman's actions before the incident from many years ago.
Why? - to taint the actions.

Statements are tried to be taken out of context to alter the meaning.

Zimmerman profiled Martin based on experience within the neighborhood.
People want to ignore that information and go by the result.

biasing the evidence.

 

[Geosurface]

I bet my IQ is as high if not higher than yours. My lowest test in the Navy was 134 and the highest 140.

Was brave of you to post it.

I'll post mine too, because I'm inspired by your ballsiness, and just for the heck of it. I had a Wechsler test administered due to an academic request back in 2005, here's how it broke down:

Reading: 135 (99th percentile)
Written Language: 126 (96th percentile)
Oral Language: 154 (greater than 99.9th percentile)
Mathematics: 88 (21st percentile)
Total Composite: 124 (95th percentile)

And when I took my ASVAB for joining the Navy I got a 93 out of 99.

Yes, I suck at math. Though interestingly in the ASVAB which was some years after the IQ test, I did just fine on the math section *shrug*

 

[Londo_Jowo]

And when I took my ASVAB for joining the Navy I got a 93 out of 99.

I scored a 96 on the ASVAB test way back in 78.

 

[chimaxi83]

I scored a 96 on the ASVAB test way back in 78.

I scored a 99. Any halfway intelligent person who's good with their hands can score high on the military vocational test. Are you guys seriously using ASVAB as proof of intelligence?

Anyway, Zimmerman for president! Give that man a medal.

 

[Geosurface]

I scored a 99. Any halfway intelligent person who's good with their hands can score high on the military vocational test. Are you guys seriously using ASVAB as proof of intelligence?

Anyway, Zimmerman for president! Give that man a medal.

I'm not using anything for anything. I just found it interesting that Londo had posted his scores and I did so too for a curiosity. Nothing more.

As for halfway intelligent person, etc the girl who went to the MEPS center with me scored a 33

Not good enough to even get in, at that time.

She wasn't drooling all over herself either. She was certainly a bit white-trashy but didn't appear to be some kind of outright dumbass.

Most of the guys at submarine school with me had scores in the 70's.

The ASVAB I took involved nothing with your hands.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I scored a 99. Any halfway intelligent person who's good with their hands can score high on the military vocational test. Are you guys seriously using ASVAB as proof of intelligence?

Congrats, that places you in the top .5% of those who take the ASVAB test. When I got out in 1990 a score of 92 or above placed you in the top 5% of those taking the test.

 

[chimaxi83]

The test doesn't really involve anything specifically "with your hands", you're right. What I meant was anyone with any mechanical or technical aptitude can score high on the test. I know what you mean though, I knew a few people who scored in the 20-30 range, which I didn't think was possible, based on them being fairly smart in school. Ah well.

 

[Tom]

IQ should have nothing to do with the situation.

the problem is the unbiased view.

How the evidence is laid out to a person will present some bias itself.

People want to bring in Zimmerman's actions before the incident from many years ago.
Why? - to taint the actions.

Statements are tried to be taken out of context to alter the meaning.

Zimmerman profiled Martin based on experience within the neighborhood.
People want to ignore that information and go by the result.

biasing the evidence.

That's one reason there's two sides in a trial or hearing.

 

[spidey07]

That's one reason there's two sides in a trial or hearing.

Care to provide a single shred of evidence Zimmerman committed a crime?

Something. Anything.

 

[Tom]

Care to provide a single shred of evidence Zimmerman committed a crime?

Something. Anything.

He didn't commit a crime unless he's convicted.

 

[OCNewbie]

He didn't commit a crime unless he's convicted.

Eh? A conviction isn't dependent on whether or not the crime was actually committed, but whether there is enough evidence to support the charge.

 

[TerryMathews]

He didn't commit a crime unless he's convicted.

Your view is flawed. For example, say I run a shop and someone breaks in and steals the safe. There is enough evidence to prove I didn't fake the theft and its real. Unfortunately I didn't have cameras, and the suspect isn't in "the system", so he will likely never be caught.

By your definition, no crime was committed. Clearly false.

The difference in the Zimmermann case specifically is that a dead body isn't proof of a crime on its own due to the laws of Florida.

 

[airdata]

Care to provide a single shred of evidence Zimmerman committed a crime?

Something. Anything.

He's on a recorded conversation referring to a 17 year old kid as a fucking punk & one of ' those assholes' that always gets away just before setting out on a foot chase after him and ultimately murdering him.

As stated countless times before self defense is moot when you chase after and start an altercation w\ somebody.

The fact Trayvon was a minor simply makes his actions even worse since it basically makes him a child predator.

 

[EagleKeeper]

One heck of a reach.

Demonstrates how bias can twist the view on an intentions.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

He's on a recorded conversation referring to a 17 year old kid as a fucking punk & one of ' those assholes' that always gets away just before setting out on a foot chase after him and ultimately murdering him.

As stated countless times before self defense is moot when you chase after and start an altercation w\ somebody.

The fact Trayvon was a minor simply makes his actions even worse since it basically makes him a child predator.

Yet there's no evidence to show that GZ confronted TM. What evidence there's available tend to corroborated GZ's explanation of what happen that night

Too bad you can't grasp the "Justified use of force" laws/statutes in Florida as even an aggressor can regain their right to self defense.

 

[OCNewbie]

As stated countless times before self defense is moot when you chase after and start an altercation w\ somebody.

Go ahead and state it a million times more; doesn't mean it's true.

 

[airdata]

Go ahead and state it a million times more; doesn't mean it's true.

What other intentions did he show when he used such language and then chased after him ?

Yet there's no evidence to show that GZ confronted TM. What evidence there's available tend to corroborated GZ's explanation of what happen that night

Too bad you can't grasp the "Justified use of force" laws/statutes in Florida as even an aggressor can regain their right to self defense.

DeeDee says in her statement that she heard Trayvon and Zimmerman exchange words after Zimmerman caught up to him. This directly contradicts Zimmerman's official statement of events.

Simply pulling the gun out and shooting with no warning doesn't fall under the criteria of justified use even when agressor since he clearly did not exhaust all options for ending the confrontation.

And that's how Zimmerman described it as happening. He matter of factly pulls the gun and fires. Nothing else. No here-say fight for the gun as his family members and friends have told people... none of that happened.