Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[CZroe]

Yes, and now you are too. Way to go.

And now I'm talking about you talking about me talking about you guys still talking about it.

There is a difference.

 

[airdata]

And now I'm talking about you talking about me talking about you guys still talking about it.

There is a difference.

I'm a dude playing a dude pretending to be another dude.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

No, you guys don't get it.

It's simply something to consider w\ the case.

Fact A) GZ was prescribed drugs A&B
FACT B) Drugs A&B are widely abused presription drugs

A+B would lead a person with sound mind to deduce that it's possible GZ was abusing the drugs.

No, we don't know if he was or not and I'm not claiming to know he was.
I'm simply pointing out the fact that he's conveniently prescribed some widely abused substances. He very well could have been abusing said substances and that could explain his erratic behavior. Or he could just be a fucking psycho.

You, don't get it. Without proof none of your assumptions will make it before a jury (provided the case makes it before a jury).

 

[airdata]

Surprised none of you dopes have posted this before..

It's another 7-11 video which is asserting that Trayvon was meeting some guys @ 7:11 to likely buy some weed. It makes alot more sense then that idiotic video Geo posted before trying to say the clerk was ready to fight him ( lol, y'all crazy ).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o286bRPGfqI&feature=player_embedded

I could actually buy that scenario of him meeting some guys up there to buy weed... especially given that it was supposed to be rainy out, etc. A watermelon iced tea & skittles wouldn't have me walking to 7-11 if it was rainy outside.

Of course that still has no bearing on him being murdered. If we're going to give the green light to execute pot heads we may as well have firing squads outside every bar that closes @ 2am and kill the alchys before they can drive drunk.

 

[soundforbjt]

You, don't get it. Without proof none of your assumptions will make it before a jury (provided the case makes it before a jury).

I believe it will make it to a jury trial, GZ may win, but he'll probably lose in the civil trial. Of course, that's why his supporters don't want to see a jury trial.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I believe it will make it to a jury trial, GZ may win, but he'll probably lose in the civil trial. Of course, that's why his supporters don't want to see a jury trial.

Civil trials are based on emotion, not legal standards

 

[soundforbjt]

Civil trials are based on emotion, not legal standards

Like the OJ trial?

 

[airdata]

Civil trials are based on emotion, not legal standards

That's why his lawyers are spending their time getting the judge thrown off the case and trying to get Trayvon's school records. They want it to be about anything but the actual killing.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Like the OJ trial?

Exactly

 

[soundforbjt]

Exactly

So, you think OJ was innocent and knew nothing about the murders?

 

[Lemon law]

This is getting weird, a 1,555 page thread mostly based on pure hear say speculation and not hard established facts. Worse yet, getting hard established facts was blown by the local cops.

Sooner or later George Zimmerman will come to trail. And then and only then will we see what facts the Prosecution will go with while the defence will go with all kinds of doubts.

My guess is in the end, the prosecution may allow the defense into a plea bargain, like involentary manslaughter with no real jail time. But still a felony that will prevent GZ from ever working in law enforcement or carrying a firearm.

Just a guess and I could be wrong. Meanwhile why speculate endlessly.

 

[TerryMathews]

This is getting weird, a 1,555 page thread mostly based on pure hear say speculation and not hard established facts. Worse yet, getting hard established facts was blown by the local cops.

Sooner or later George Zimmerman will come to trail. And then and only then will we see what facts the Prosecution will go with while the defence will go with all kinds of doubts.

My guess is in the end, the prosecution may allow the defense into a plea bargain, like involentary manslaughter with no real jail time. But still a felony that will prevent GZ from ever working in law enforcement or carrying a firearm.

Just a guess and I could be wrong. Meanwhile why speculate endlessly.

Your first paragraph sums up perfectly why Zimmerman won't be convicted.

 

[spidey07]

This is getting weird, a 1,555 page thread mostly based on pure hear say speculation and not hard established facts. Worse yet, getting hard established facts was blown by the local cops.

Sooner or later George Zimmerman will come to trail. And then and only then will we see what facts the Prosecution will go with while the defence will go with all kinds of doubts.

My guess is in the end, the prosecution may allow the defense into a plea bargain, like involentary manslaughter with no real jail time. But still a felony that will prevent GZ from ever working in law enforcement or carrying a firearm.

Just a guess and I could be wrong. Meanwhile why speculate endlessly.

Because an innocent man is being railroaded when there is zero evidence he committed a crime. There are laws that specifically prevent this kind of treatment of zimmerman and they are being ignored.

It is against the law to arrest or prosecute him when there is no evidence or probable cause he committed a crime. So far there is zero evidence he committed any crime. In fact, the evidence actually proves self defense as such he should have never been arrested as he's immune from prosecution.

 

[airdata]

Your first paragraph sums up perfectly why Zimmerman won't be convicted.

Yeah, if they get the case thrown out. It's a murder. We have the murderer, the murder weapon. The only thing stopping it from being open/shut is the word of a guy who's been caught lying and deceiving the court already and has many shady things in his past.

This is why they're going after school records and going after the judge who revoked his bond FOR LYING TO THE COURT. They don't want GZ on the stand.

That's what it takes to prove his innocence though. Everything else is simply murder.

He got out of his car to chase after that fucking punk and then after he got his ass kicked for doing so he shot him.



Now, if georgy boy can get on the stand and tell the truth... congrats. If not, he's still a liar and a coward.

 

[spidey07]

Yeah, if they get the case thrown out. It's a murder. We have the murderer, the murder weapon. The only thing stopping it from being open/shut is the word of a guy who's been caught lying and deceiving the court already and has many shady things in his past.

This is why they're going after school records and going after the judge who revoked his bond FOR LYING TO THE COURT. They don't want GZ on the stand.

That's what it takes to prove his innocence though. Everything else is simply murder.

He got out of his car to chase after that fucking punk and then after he got his ass kicked for doing so he shot him.



Now, if georgy boy can get on the stand and tell the truth... congrats. If not, he's still a liar and a coward.

Even if he did chase martin, zimmerman is still lawfully allowed to shoot in self defense when he is mounted after having been beaten/or process of continued beating screaming for his life.

The law has been explained, what you describe is not a crime given the evidence proving self defense.

 

[TerryMathews]

I believe it will make it to a jury trial, GZ may win, but he'll probably lose in the civil trial. Of course, that's why his supporters don't want to see a jury trial.

His point was that the "theory" that Zimmerman was illegally abusing adderal won't make it before a jury without proof.

The prosecutions hands are tied; that's what you all aren't getting. Aside from opening and closing statements, the prosecution needs witnesses, experts, or testimony to lay out their case.

BDLR can't just say Zimmerman was abusing adderal without substantiation. The minute its brought up: "objection, facts not in evidence". Worst case for the prosecution, Zimmerman has a decent argument for slander.

Going back to your point, 776.032 appears to apply even during a jury trial, as long as the jury finds legitimate self defense.

Basically, this case hinges on self defense. There's a dead body, and no debate on who shot him. There is no middle ground. Either it was self defense, or it wasn't.

Questions about the events that night, or doubts, favor the defense. The prosecution has to disprove self defense, beyond any reasonable doubt.

How on earth can you do that, when the accused was obviously assaulted and the "victim" wasn't?

In this case, if GZ wins, it will be self defense and there will be no civil case.

 

[TerryMathews]

Yeah, if they get the case thrown out. It's a murder. We have the murderer, the murder weapon. The only thing stopping it from being open/shut is the word of a guy who's been caught lying and deceiving the court already and has many shady things in his past.

This is why they're going after school records and going after the judge who revoked his bond FOR LYING TO THE COURT. They don't want GZ on the stand.

That's what it takes to prove his innocence though. Everything else is simply murder.

He got out of his car to chase after that fucking punk and then after he got his ass kicked for doing so he shot him.



Now, if georgy boy can get on the stand and tell the truth... congrats. If not, he's still a liar and a coward.

You are entitled to your opinion, but under Florida law it's not clearly a murder.

That's the beauty of our justice system. You can be a liar and not guilty of a crime. Look at John Edwards.

 

[airdata]

His point was that the "theory" that Zimmerman was illegally abusing adderal won't make it before a jury without proof.

God you guys are just stupid aren't you?

Since when is stating a fact a theory?

As stated before, it's simply a fact being stated. GZ is prescribe medications which are some of the most widely abused substances. That's just a fact.

Sure, he could just be taking them to not be as crazy as he'd be without meds. Or he could be abusing them.

Since they are widely abused it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that he does abuse such things.


Now, please read that. Have I said anywhere there that he was abusing them? NO. So, please word your posts more carefully so you don't come off like a dumb ass who can't read.

 

[airdata]

You are entitled to your opinion, but under Florida law it's not clearly a murder.

That's the beauty of our justice system. You can be a liar and not guilty of a crime. Look at John Edwards.

Text book definition it's murder. He pulled the trigger knowing it could kill him without having exhausted other means to end the confrontation.

People have been convicted of murder for punching people who then fall and hit their head. This guy chased after somebody at night whilst spewing hate on a recorded phone call and then he shoots the guy to death that he was chasing..

Pretty fucking clear what went down.

 

[spidey07]

Text book definition it's murder. He pulled the trigger knowing it could kill him without having exhausted other means to end the confrontation.

People have been convicted of murder for punching people who then fall and hit their head. This guy chased after somebody at night whilst spewing hate on a recorded phone call and then he shoots the guy to death that he was chasing..

Pretty fucking clear what went down.

Even if it happened as you describe it's still self defense.

There is no duty to retreat in florida. Not only that, zimmerman couldn't retreat from his beating because of being mounted/straddled screaming for his life. That right there automatically justifies ANY force he uses including deadly.

When you shoot somebody in self defense, you obviously intend to kill them. One does not have to "exhaust every means to avoid shooting", you are legally allowed to shoot people who are attacking you.

Hell, I can shoot you without you even touching me. That's how self defense laws work.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt it was murder.

The evidence/witness statements tend to show that this was a case of self defense and not murder.

The FBI couldn't find any evidence that this was a hate crime nor could they find evidence GZ was a racist.

 

[TerryMathews]

God you guys are just stupid aren't you?

Since when is stating a fact a theory?

As stated before, it's simply a fact being stated. GZ is prescribe medications which are some of the most widely abused substances. That's just a fact.

Sure, he could just be taking them to not be as crazy as he'd be without meds. Or he could be abusing them.

Since they are widely abused it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that he does abuse such things.


Now, please read that. Have I said anywhere there that he was abusing them? NO. So, please word your posts more carefully so you don't come off like a dumb ass who can't read.

No sir, you are the stupid one. The prosecution CANNOT say that Zimmerman was abusing adderal simply due to the odds. This is all pointed at you correcting another poster that said the adderal abuse would never make it in front of a jury.

Go back and reread the post you were arguing over. This THEORY will never make it in front of a jury without proof, a witness, or expert testimony.

Now that, sir, is a fact. Your statement is a theory, you have no proof Zimmerman was abusing adderal; for that matter, you have no proof he even took his prescribed dosage that night.

 

[TerryMathews]

Text book definition it's murder. He pulled the trigger knowing it could kill him without having exhausted other means to end the confrontation.

People have been convicted of murder for punching people who then fall and hit their head. This guy chased after somebody at night whilst spewing hate on a recorded phone call and then he shoots the guy to death that he was chasing..

Pretty fucking clear what went down.

No, it's not. Your whole post is ignorant. Pulling a trigger is not constructive intent. If it were, there would be no need for aggravated homicide charges.

To your statement, you left out the part where Martin assaults Zimmerman. Pretty fucking clear what happened that night, isn't it?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

ROFL...

This is hilarious... So now, anyone who defends themselves via force with a firearm is automatically considered guilty of murder.

I swear, just when I think you guys have gone as crazy as possible you up the bar one more time. Love it. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[classy]

Even if it happened as you describe it's still self defense.

There is no duty to retreat in florida. Not only that, zimmerman couldn't retreat from his beating because of being mounted/straddled screaming for his life. That right there automatically justifies ANY force he uses including deadly.

When you shoot somebody in self defense, you obviously intend to kill them. One does not have to "exhaust every means to avoid shooting", you are legally allowed to shoot people who are attacking you.

Hell, I can shoot you without you even touching me. That's how self defense laws work.

You are correct. It was Trayvon who had no duty to retreat from a man who chased him. Then when confronted again by that man, the man still did not identify himself. Instead the man starts to reach inside his coat. Then a fight ensues. Up to this point Trayvon is well within his rights to defend himself. Now there is no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon was beating GZ. None. Zero defensive wounds, no cuts or scars to his face except the cut on his nose from the punch he had every right to throw.

Trayvon was unarmed and had pinned down an armed man who had pursued him. The armed man then shot the kid. So maybe you missed all that happened.