Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[Tom]

So, if he responded with "no, I don't have a problem" or "what're you doing around here?" you'd hit him?

The thing is, you can certainly say those are not as informative of answers as other things he could've said, but if you're taken aback that someone you believe is a criminal and believe is long gone suddenly stepped out of the shadows and confronted you, you might not come up with the ideal words to prevent them from attacking you.

Maybe Trayvon should've given George more than one response before decking him?

Or maybe Trayvon should've realized that this man he'd seen in a nice car, on a phone, was probably a concerned neighbor who didn't recognize him, seeing as how he lived 4 hours from there, and was only visiting... a guest of a guest, in fact... and wasn't the sort of threat that it was imperative to preemptively attack?

I guess Trayvon didn't have good conflict resolution or conversational skills. I personally don't think there is room in our society or our species for people who would attack someone and not show mercy and who couldn't get to the bottom of a misunderstanding with words.

Along with all the things Trayvon could have done differently, its also possible maybe George didn't have to kill him.

Which is why there's a trial.

 

[OCNewbie]

Zimmerman left the safety of his vehicle, followed Martin, ended up on the ground wrestling with Martin prior to the shooting. You don't have to be an astrophysicist to figure out what happened there.

No, but you do have to assume a LOT of different things, without any proof whatsoever to support those assumptions. You have to dismiss the fact that TM could have been the one to initiate the physical confrontation, especially given the fact that there isn't a clear explanation for why TM eluded GZ for over 2 minutes (when TM was at the T, ~30 seconds, at most, from his house), yet somehow TM doesn't make it to his home. TM had to have made some sort of decision to either hide, and return to the T to confront GZ.

You also have to ignore the previous, documented knowledge GZ had, that in prior incidents, individuals suspected of being involved with the burglaries/thefts had fled near "the back entrance", into the adjacent apartment complex, Calabria Cove. That's exactly the direction TM "ran" towards, and considering GZ had no clue who TM was at that time, it makes sense that GZ believed TM was fleeing towards "the back entrance" to also go into Calabria Cove. There's a number of reasons that support GZ believing this incident would play out like all the rest: GZ would get to Retreat View Circle, on the other side of the T, and see "the suspect" fleeing into Calabria Cove. GZ never believed a confrontation would occur. If he wanted a confrontation, he had ample opportunity to confront TM when TM was much closer to his vehicle.

 

[tashatexas]

"You don't think it makes ANY difference that GZ didn't know the guy was a cop, and that the cop wasn't in uniform, or otherwise had any outward indications that he was a police officer?" OCNewbie

Here he is defending Zimmerman attacking a PO because the PO was not in uniform and failed to identify himself but this same person thinks it highly inappropriate if Tray punched Zimmerman under far worse circumstances, i.e. being chased in the dark at 17 by a Mexican man in racially divided Florida at night in a neighborhood you are just visiting.

The above comment and rationale by OcNewbie is why many believe Zimmerman supporters are racists, not just NRA proponents.

 

[tashatexas]

"fact that there isn't a clear explanation forwhy TM eluded GZforover2 minutes (when TM was at the T, ~30 seconds, at most, from his house), yet" OCNewbie

So you admit Zimmerman followed Trayvon. And he didn't make it home because he hid and tried to wait Zimmerman out but Zimmerman kept looking until he found him.

 

[OCNewbie]

"fact that there isn't a clear explanation forwhy TM eluded GZforover2 minutes (when TM was at the T, ~30 seconds, at most, from his house), yet" OCNewbie

So you admit Zimmerman followed Trayvon. And he didn't make it home because he hid and tried to wait Zimmerman out but Zimmerman kept looking until he found him.

No, that would be a "clear explanation". TM made decisions that either kept him at the T, for whatever reason, or returned him to the T. GZ had a flashlight, so it's unlikely he wouldn't have spotted TM if TM was merely hiding. TM likely returned to the T to confront GZ.

 

[tashatexas]

"If he wanted a confrontation, he had ample opportunity to confront TM when TM was much closer to his vehicle. __________________"OCDipshit
First of all if he didnt want a.confrontation he doesnt jump out the second TM runs and if TM wanted a confrontation HE NEVER RUNS you stupid bigot.

Secondly, Zimmerthug DID WANT TO CONFRONT TRAY NEAR HIS TRUCK! Seconds after claiming Martin came to check him out i. e. Martin walking past a car he'd have to pass on the way home, Zimmerman jumps out of his car. He is so close to Tray that he can see which direction he turned in IN THE DARK. So he did intend to confront Tray near his truck but something he did made Trayvon run.

 

[tashatexas]

No, that would be a "clear explanation". TM made decisions that either kept him at the T, for whatever reason, or returned him to the T. GZ had a flashlight, so it's unlikely he wouldn't have spotted TM if TM was merely hiding. TM likely returned to the T to confront GZ.

No you dumb fuck its a clear indication that had he continued down the T Zimmerman would have clearly seen where he lived. There is a reason Zimmerman, of all places Tray could have lived stood and roamed in the area close to Trays house, he saw where he went and per his words Knew he hid!

 

[OCNewbie]

Dipshit

you stupid bigot.

you dumb fuck

I know you are, but what am I?

 

[tashatexas]

The bottom line is TRAYVON RAN and that wasnt good enough because Zimmerman followed and then waited and likely continued to look for Tray in the area BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER REASON FOR ZIMMERMAN TO BE 40 FEET SOUTH OF THE T.

Further, the only reason Zimmerman continued to remain out of his car for two plus minutes as you admit is because he wanted a confrontation.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Along with all the things Trayvon could have done differently, its also possible maybe George didn't have to kill him.

Which is why there's a trial.

The evidentiary (immunity) hearing has been held and a trial date has been set?

 

[tashatexas]

So once again the Zimmerman fans show they are interested in this case for RACIAL and not common sense or justice reasons because they say dumb shit like it was perfectly okay for Zimmerman to attack an undercover officer because he was aggressive and failed to identify but the 17 year old Martin under far worse circumstances would have been wrong if he punched Zimmerthug first, and then say Zimmerman didn't want a confrontation even though he got out of his car and chased Trayvon and stayed out of his car for more than two minutes but Trayvon wanted the confrontation because he didn't make it home. Lmao. These Negro haters crack me up.

 

[Geosurface]

The comparison to what Trayvon did to George and what George did to the undercover beverage officer is faulty.

Trayvon decked, broke the nose of, then mounted George Zimmerman and continued beating him, including slamming his head against cement (a deadly weapon) for roughly a minute, ignoring GZ's pleas for mercy and help. He may also have directly told GZ he was going to kill him.

George touched the arm of a plain clothes beverage officer who he thought was just some random guy in the bar harassing GZ's friend. Touched... the... arm. Like, at most grabbed his arm. The captain in charge of that officer didn't want any sort of charges filed, only the officer himself being a king bitch resulted in us having any record of this very tame, very common incident (according to Lester)

 

[tashatexas]

That is a big complex. It is MIGHTY FUNNY that of all.the places.Zimmerman could have stood he admits to standing (although we know he roamed) but he stood in a place with a direct view to Trays house. Martins body was found close to where Martin lived. Of course Martin knew what area he lived in but how did Zimmerthug know? It's because he chased and followed Tray and Always had a good indication where he was thats why he remained in the same area while he was out of his truck.

 

[OCNewbie]

The comparison to what Trayvon did to George and what George did to the undercover beverage officer is faulty.

Trayvon decked, broke the nose of, then mounted George Zimmerman and continued beating him, including slamming his head against cement (a deadly weapon) for roughly a minute, ignoring GZ's pleas for mercy and help. He may also have directly told GZ he was going to kill him.

George touched the arm of a plain clothes beverage officer who he thought was just some random guy in the bar harassing GZ's friend. Touched... the... arm. Like, at most grabbed his arm. The captain in charge of that officer didn't want any sort of charges filed, only the officer himself being a king bitch resulted in us having any record of this very tame, very common incident (according to Lester)

Yeah, "she" wasn't worth responding to, so I didn't bother.

 

[tashatexas]

The comparison to what Trayvon did to George and what George did to the undercover beverage officer is faulty.

Trayvon decked, broke the nose of, then mounted George Zimmerman and continued beating him, including slamming his head against cement (a deadly weapon) for roughly a minute, ignoring GZ's pleas for mercy and help. He may also have directly told GZ he was going to kill him.

George touched the arm of a plain clothes beverage officer who he thought was just some random guy in the bar harassing GZ's friend. Touched... the... arm. Like, at most grabbed his arm. The captain in charge of that officer didn't want any sort of charges filed, only the officer himself being a king bitch resulted in us having any record of this very tame, very common incident (according to Lester)

Trayvon never broke anyones nose and there is no evidence he mounted Zimmerman wotj an intent to kill him.

But even if he did he was well within that right considering he ran and his body was found closee to his house than where Zimmerman parked. Tray was pursued and killed per the physical evidence. Trayvon would simply be standing his ground against an armed assailant.

Zimmerthug did more.than touch that cops arm. All you do is lie.

 

[tashatexas]

The fact that TRAYVON SCREAMED for 45 seconds of this socalled minute ass whooping he was giving Zimmerman as stated by two experts will send Zimmermans stupid ass to jail lol

 

[tashatexas]

And that's all folks.

 

[EagleKeeper]

And that's all folks.

Promises, promises.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Did Judge Lester say the things he did knowing that he would eventually be recused from the case? Could it be that he didn't want to be known as the judge that ruled that the prosecution's case lacks the evidence to convict GZ of 2nd degree murder or manslaughter?

 

[Tom]

The evidentiary (immunity) hearing has been held and a trial date has been set?

omg, you really got me there.

unless of course, by trial I meant..

b.the determination of a person's guilt or innocence by due process of law.

from dictionary.com

 

[JKing106]

Did Judge Lester say the things he did knowing that he would eventually be recused from the case? Could it be that he didn't want to be known as the judge that ruled that the prosecution's case lacks the evidence to convict GZ of 2nd degree murder or manslaughter?

Did you just pull that out of your ass to divert from the fact that you only care about the concealed carry aspect of this case? That the NRA lobbied to have Lester removed from the case? That Zimmerman's verdict is just a means to an end to protect gun sales? Yes, yes you did.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Did you just pull that out of your ass to divert from the fact that you only care about the concealed carry aspect of this case? That the NRA lobbied to have Lester removed from the case? That Zimmerman's verdict is just a means to an end to protect gun sales? Yes, yes you did.

As usual more irrelevant drivel. This case will have no effect on gun laws or sales in the US.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

omg, you really got me there.

unless of course, by trial I meant..

b.the determination of a person's guilt or innocence by due process of law.

from dictionary.com

Maybe there will be a trial but then again if the defense is successful in showing that this is a case of self defense then the charges against GZ will be dropped and he will be afforded immunity to criminal prosecution and civil action per Florida's Justified Use of Force statute.

 

[JKing106]

Maybe there will be a trial but then again if the defense is successful in showing that this is a case of self defense then the charges against GZ will be dropped and he will be afforded immunity to criminal prosecution and civil action per Florida's Justified Use of Force statute.

Why are you so keen on someone who shot an unarmed kid, in a situation that was completely avoidable, be afforded immunity? Don't parrot your usual bullshit about "the law." Tell us exactly why it's important that Zimmerman is found innocent, to you.

 

[Geosurface]

Given all known evidence (what John saw, the wounds, single shot fired, the screams, GZ calling police ahead of time, etc etc etc) there is no way to doubt that this was self-defense other than via ignorance of that evidence, racial thinking, overabundance of emotion or some combination of those.

And no I'm not being overly simplistic, this is actually really, REALLY obviously self-defense.