Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[Druidx]

Funny how 2 of GZ biggest critics on this board fail to understand two of the most fundamental and basic aspects of our legal system.

Jking who claims people are presumed guilty and have to prove their innocence.
Airdata who claims taking the 5th is an admission of guilt.

They mock the 2nd amendment while completely failing to understand the 5th amendment.

 

[Screech]

Just words. In reality, it's much different. Try observing and using your own head, for once.

Was Martin innocent until proven guilty? Not to George Zimmerman, self styled judge, jury, and executioner. And apparently not to most police officers investigating the scene. Just another dead n****r to them. And it would have stayed that way until someone with a conscience exposed it.

Obviously what happened to Martin was not a 'fair trial' but that is beside the point.

If, at the trial for the movie theatre shooter, the prosecution provides no evidence that the suspect was actually the guy shooting people in the theatre (as opposed to someone else), he will walk free even though most people believe he did it. They won't just say 'hey, we all know he's guilty, let's just ignore the proving part and convict him'. That's not how the court system works.

Similarly they need proof here. Not the other way around.

Anyway, back to slightly more important things...

 

[xj0hnx]

You're a moron, who knows nothing about anything, who gets his "thinking" from right wing radio and fox. In other words, a fucking idiot.. Let's the adults talk.

More of your assumptions, and labeling. It must be so sad going through life with such a feeble grasp of others.

 

[TerryMathews]

Translation: He wouldn't throw it out. Gotcha.

Correct. The correct stance for a judge would be "might throw it out."

 

[JKing106]

Funny how 2 of GZ biggest critics on this board fail to understand two of the most fundamental and basic aspects of our legal system.

Jking who claims people are presumed guilty and have to prove their innocence.
Airdata who claims taking the 5th is an admission of guilt.

They mock the 2nd amendment while completely failing to understand the 5th amendment.

Funny how you're absolutely shameless in your lack of concern that a young boy is dead, and your eagerness to defend a cowardly narcissist who killed said boy. What's your dog in this fight? Just hate blacks, or love you some guns? I'm think the latter, since you brought up the 2nd amendment, which was created so a militia could be raised if the British invaded again. Are you gun loving pansies tired of beating that dead horse?

 

[waggy]

There is no difference. Two sides of the same coin. It's not my fault you're too stupid to realize that. We can argue semantics all day long. If you are ever charged with a crime and/or arrested for said crime, you are presumed to be guilty. You will be required to prove your innocence to a jury.

someone who does not understand the difference and why shouldn't be calling anyone stupid.

 

[JKing106]

Correct. The correct stance for a judge would be "might throw it out."

So the blatantly guilty party might avoid a trial altogether. For someone who is so assured of Zimmerman's innocence, you sure as hell don't want to see him on a witness stand.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Here's the instructions that the jury will receive should the case go to trial.

The defendant, George Zimmerman, is presumed innocent and remains innocent unless the jury unanimously finds him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

The defendant has no burden to produce any evidence or to testify in this case. He has a constitutional right to not testify and the jury may not assume anything regarding his silence.


The State has the burden of proving each element of the crime charged beyond a reasonable doubt.


Since the defendant admits killing Trayvon Martin, but claims he was legally justified to do so in self-defense, the State must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did not kill Trayvon Martin in self-defense.


A reasonable doubt is a doubt for which a reason exists. It is such a doubt as would exist in the mind of a reasonable person after fully, fairly and carefully considering all of the evidence or lack of evidence.

 

[JKing106]

More of your assumptions, and labeling. It must be so sad going through life with such a feeble grasp of others.

You attempts at pithy, insightful retorts makes you look even more stupid, you know that right? You're not smart enough to pull it off. Go back to watching Fox, something you have the intellectual capacity for.

 

[JKing106]

Here's the instructions that the jury will receive should the case go to trial.

Words. Words are wind.

No one has answered why we arrest, detain, then try suspected law breakers if everyone is automatically innocent?

 

[JKing106]

someone who does not understand the difference and why shouldn't be calling anyone stupid.

You should take your own advice.

 

[Druidx]

Funny how you're absolutely shameless in your lack of concern that a young boy is dead, and your eagerness to defend a cowardly narcissist who killed said boy. What's your dog in this fight? Just hate blacks, or love you some guns? I'm think the latter, since you brought up the 2nd amendment, which was created so a militia could be raised if the British invaded again. Are you gun loving pansies tired of beating that dead horse?

See here is the fundamental difference between us that you will always ignore. You can not defend or prove your wild and baseless accusations against me. While on the other hand, I can easily prove your own stupidity by simply quoting your post. Just like this one for example.

Everyone is presumed guilty until proven innocent, and that's a fact.

Thanks for the laughs.

 

[JKing106]

See here is the fundamental difference between us that you will always ignore. You can not defend or prove your wild and baseless accusations against me. While on the other hand, I can easily prove your own stupidity by simply quoting your post. Just like this one for example.




Thanks for the laughs.

And when you have nothing to defend your stance, deflect, and insult. Got it.

Again, why is the 2nd Amendment so important in 2012, when the populace armed with handguns, rifles, and shotguns wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell against any modern equipped and trained army, domestic or foreign? Oh, I know! It's to protect us from black people! The REAL enemy! Not that I expect you to have anything to say on the matter, because you don't. All you know is what you read in "Guns And Ammo," and your monthly NRA news letter. Grats on being a good little obedient robot for the cause.

'Murica, fuck yeah!

 

[xj0hnx]

You attempts at pithy, insightful retorts makes you look even more stupid, you know that right? You're not smart enough to pull it off. Go back to watching Fox, something you have the intellectual capacity for.

[points and laugh]BWAHAHAHAHAHA [/points and laugh]

What a sad, pathetic child you are. Your white guilt must be ravenous. Oh yea, what does "Fox News" have to do with anything? LOL you speaking of "intellectual capacity" and then all you can muster is "Fox News!!!" and calling people racist, hahaha comedy gold. So how does it feel having pretty much an entire internet board thinking you are a worthless moron? I mean hell, even the people that agree with you about the case think you are a fucking retard, that's something.

Do you know any more tricks little puppy? This one is getting old.

 

[Druidx]

And when you have nothing to defend your stance, deflect, and insult. Got it.

Again, why is the 2nd Amendment so important in 2012, when the populace armed with handguns, rifles, and shotguns wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell against any modern equipped and trained army, domestic or foreign? Oh, I know! It's to protect us from black people! The REAL enemy! Not that I expect you to have anything to say on the matter, because you don't. All you know is what you read in "Guns And Ammo," and your monthly NRA news letter. Grats on being a good little obedient robot for the cause.

'Murica, fuck yeah!

Here is the fundamental difference between us that you will always ignore. You can not defend or prove your wild and baseless accusations against me. While on the other hand, I can easily prove your own stupidity by simply quoting your post. Just like this one for example.

Everyone is presumed guilty until proven innocent, and that's a fact.

Thanks for the laughs.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Evidence or supposition?

Hahaha, asking for evidence from that shitbag? Come one now, you know he's not going to back up anything he says.

Ulterior motives; have to be fair. Innocent until proven guilty - even though he does not want to apply such.

 

[JKing106]

[points and laugh]BWAHAHAHAHAHA [/points and laugh]

What a sad, pathetic child you are. Your white guilt must be ravenous. Oh yea, what does "Fox News" have to do with anything? LOL you speaking of "intellectual capacity" and then all you can muster is "Fox News!!!" and calling people racist, hahaha comedy gold. So how does it feel having pretty much an entire internet board thinking you are a worthless moron? I mean hell, even the people that agree with you about the case think you are a fucking retard, that's something.

You're really, really more stupid than I thought. You really think I give two shits what any of you dickless, spineless, cowardly authority-ass kissing idiots think of me? COMADY GOLD! LURL!~

 

[xj0hnx]

You're really, really more stupid than I thought. You really think I give two shits what any of you dickless, spineless, cowardly authority-ass kissing idiots think of me? COMADY GOLD! LURL!~

Come little doggy, you can do better that.

 

[xj0hnx]

Ulterior motives; have to be fair. Innocent until proven guilty - even though he does not want to apply such.

His little mind can't process such an idea, it's waaaay too complicated for him.

 

[EagleKeeper]

He can stop being a deadbeat and get a fucking job. Isn't that what all upright, loyal Republicans do? Maybe Hannity can give him a job.

Get a job - when his movements are being monitored;
What employer would want a group of vigilantees at the doorstep.

GZ is unemployable in the area and not allowed to leave the area.

As you stated, common sense

 

[EagleKeeper]

How was he stopping the defendant from getting a fair trail? His guilt or innocence will be determined by a jury. The reason Lester was removed is that when Zimmerman is found guilty, as his defense knows he will, that judge wouldn't throw the book at him.

Guilt or innocence is determined by the jury based on information presented; the judge tries to ensure that what is presented to the jury is not false or tainted.
If the judge has demonstrated bias; can one be sure that that bias will not carry over into evidence and depositions?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Why do you think Zimmerman's attorneys are trying so desperately to get this case thrown out? If Zimmerman's innocent, why not put him on the stand? Might it have something to do with them knowing it's a lost cause, and just damage control after that point? Maybe getting rid of an unsympathetic judge would be prudent?

You know all this, just you're just that intellectually dishonest and disingenuous.

No need to go through the effort and expense of trial if not needed.

Given the way the state has gotten some witness to alter their stories; who knows what else could happen to twist the overall picture.

 

[EagleKeeper]

If he's arrested on suspicion of a felony with the severity of murder, yes the fuck he does.

So the law of the land is no longer relevant to you?

 

[lotus503]

doesnt seem like the new judge is a walk in the park, was reading she is pretty harsh.

 

[RampantAndroid]

See here is the fundamental difference between us that you will always ignore. You can not defend or prove your wild and baseless accusations against me. While on the other hand, I can easily prove your own stupidity by simply quoting your post. Just like this one for example.




Thanks for the laughs.

Wait, he said that? LOL.

Go look up Taylor v Kentucky.