Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[JKing106]

How am I lying? Spidey specifically pointed out that someone could exercise their self defense rights absent any injuries at all. It's one of things you called him a racist over.

If you're agreeing with Spidey, then nothing you say can be taken seriously.

 

[JKing106]

And why is it that this defendant can afford such an attorney? It's a miscarriage of justice for GZ to have even been charged with a crime (especially 2nd degree murder), and because of that, people are doing what they can, by providing monetary support, to improve the odds that this travesty falls short of an innocent man being wrongfully convicted based on emotional, factually-naive public outcry.

There was nothing "lucky" about this ruling. The appeals court didn't roll any dice; they made a ruling based on law and found Lester biased, and he was removed because of their findings.

And because of "gifts" from NRA lobbyists.

 

[JKing106]

A well founded fear appears to imply the allegations are accurate. If they were inaccurate, the fear would not be well founded.

Dumb people say dumb things, because they're so dumb they don't realize that they're dumb.

 

[TerryMathews]

Read the ruling. My gosh

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Because he is an officer of the court, there is a presumption that what he states as facts are true on penalty of disbarment.

Are you alleging that what he cited wasn't true?

 

[TerryMathews]

If you're agreeing with Spidey, then nothing you say can be taken seriously.

On that specific point, he is right. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[emperus]

The analysis in this thread is depressing. Either most of your are liars or are just stupid. Either way, it doesn't bode well for our society.

Lester initally granted GZ a 150,000 bail and allowed him to leave the state on a charge of murder 2. That was very lenient. He was not biased becasue he was trying to be PC. He was upset becasue GZ allowed his wife to lie to him and perpetuate a fraud on the court.

For real people. Get over it. If you are white you are priveleged more so than other races in our country. Your crying is getting ridiculous. If you hate your lives or a black person has taken your job, blame you lack of drive or intelligence.

 

[emperus]

Because he is an officer of the court, there is a presumption that what he states as facts are true on penalty of disbarment.

Are you alleging that what he cited wasn't true?

It doesn't matter if it was. Did you read the DAMN ruling. They couldn't question it. It's not the law. Read it.

 

[spidey07]

The analysis in this thread is depressing. Either most of your are liars or are just stupid. Either way, it doesn't bode well for our society.

Lester initally granted GZ a 150,000 bail and allowed him to leave the state on a charge of murder 2. That was very lenient. He was not biased becasue he was trying to be PC. He was upset becasue GZ allowed his wife to lie to him and perpetuate a fraud on the court.

For real people. Get over it. If you are white you are priveleged more so than other races in our country. Your crying is getting ridiculous. If you hate your lives or a black person has taken your job, blame you lack of drive or intelligence.

LOL! "white privilege" Keep up the victim mentality.

 

[airdata]

Originally Posted by TerryMathews
How am I lying? Spidey specifically pointed out that someone could exercise their self defense rights absent any injuries at all. It's one of things you called him a racist over.

In what situation would it be ok to claim self defense and kill somebody absent of any injuries? That's right... no situation.

You also can't chase after somebody and instigate a fight with them and then just pull your gun out and shoot them without doing everything else that could be done other than killing them.


GZs lawyers are going to try their hardest to dillute the case, put motions out to try to get rid of the judge, all sorts of other things that have no baring on the actual case since their defense lies in the word of a guy who's been caught lying, been accused of spousal abuse, diddling his cousin, and arrested in the past for assaulting a police officer.

This isn't the kind of character you want to put on a witness stand when the stakes are as high as they are.

 

[cybrsage]

Dumb people say dumb things, because they're so dumb they don't realize that they're dumb.

I agree, but I did not know we were discussing you.

 

[spidey07]

In what situation would it be ok to claim self defense and kill somebody absent of any injuries? That's right... no situation.

You also can't chase after somebody and instigate a fight with them and then just pull your gun out and shoot them without doing everything else that could be done other than killing them.


GZs lawyers are going to try their hardest to dillute the case, put motions out to try to get rid of the judge, all sorts of other things that have no baring on the actual case since their defense lies in the word of a guy who's been caught lying, been accused of spousal abuse, diddling his cousin, and arrested in the past for assaulting a police officer.

This isn't the kind of character you want to put on a witness stand when the stakes are as high as they are.

Let me specifically outline it for you. If somebody is acting aggressive towards me and says something like "I'm going to kill you" or "I'm going to put you in the hospital" and they are clearly acting like they mean it then I can legally shoot them in self defense. This specific scenario was outlined in CCDW classes - the threat is there, it's imminent, I reasonably believed my life was in danger or grave harm, and the verbal threats are assault. It was clearly outlined by my state's AG with him saying "you are allowed to shoot, the law protects your rights"

Now if they display a weapon of any kind, then again, of course you can shoot before they even touch you or get near you.

You're very clueless on self defense laws.

 

[Druidx]

Recently, several TM supporters have brought up Fred Letherman's blog to support their opinions. I just read through his post from this week, where I found several interesting claims. According to Letherman, GZ could be charged with 1st degree murder for a variety of unsupported reasons. Today he topped himself, suggesting GZ didn't act alone. Letherman now speculates GZ called someone, who acting under GZ orders, chased TM back north towards the waiting GZ.
LMAO, A desperate attempt to explain why TM returned to the T junction, because it surely couldn't have been to confront GZ.
This from the man who claims on his blog to be only interested in fact based discussion.

 

[JKing106]

LOL! "white privilege" Keep up the victim mentality.

You don't need to be chastising anyone for "victim mentality." He's absolutely right. White people have a huge advantage in America right out of the womb. It's not his fault you're a loser coward living off your wife's taxpayer salary. How the fuck you got anyone to marry you is mind boggling.

 

[cybrsage]

In what situation would it be ok to claim self defense and kill somebody absent of any injuries? That's right... no situation.

Let us paint a picture to help you understand a very reasonable situation.

You are walking down the street one day for no real reason, just a nice day. You see a man a few feet away from you pull a knife out of his pocket and charge another man. That man reacts quickly, pulls out a gun, and shoots the guy with the knife, killing him.

According to your eye witness view, was the guy with the gun be justified in claiming self defense and killing the guy with the knife, even though there are no injuries on him?

 

[Druidx]

Dumb people say dumb things, because they're so dumb they don't realize that they're dumb.

Spoken by a man with extensive experience on the subject.

 

[OCNewbie]

In what situation would it be ok to claim self defense and kill somebody absent of any injuries? That's right... no situation.

Someone who had just stabbed somebody, who is now charging at you with a knife. Do you wait to make sure he really intends to stab you, or do you shoot first? Apparently it's murder to you if you shoot first.

 

[JKing106]

Let me specifically outline it for you. If somebody is acting aggressive towards me and says something like "I'm going to kill you" or "I'm going to put you in the hospital" and they are clearly acting like they mean it then I can legally shoot them in self defense. This specific scenario was outlined in CCDW classes - the threat is there, it's imminent, I reasonably believed my life was in danger or grave harm, and the verbal threats are assault. It was clearly outlined by my state's AG with him saying "you are allowed to shoot, the law protects your rights"

Now if they display a weapon of any kind, then again, of course you can shoot before they even touch you or get near you.

You're very clueless on self defense laws.

Too bad none of that happened. And Spidey, you'd piss yourself and cry if someone punched you in the face. Your internet tough guy act is just that: an act. You live off your wife, for Pete's sake, and sit in your man-cave, fondling your guns. Feel like a hero?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Most defendants wouldn't be able to afford an attorney that continuously files briefs trying to get lucky with a judge.

I think this is the main reason SA Corey charged GZ with 2nd degree murder, she didn't think he could afford a good attorney and that a court appointed attorney would recommend he take a plea deal rather than fighting the charge in court.

I think the new judge needs to review the affidavit and see if it really meets probable cause requirement. If it does not meet the requirement drop the charges against GZ and grant him immunity per the respective Florida Statute.

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).

 

[JKing106]

Spoken by a man with extensive experience on the subject.

After thousands of pages reading what you idiots post, yes, I do.

 

[JKing106]

Someone who had just stabbed somebody, who is now charging at you with a knife. Do you wait to make sure he really intends to stab you, or do you shoot first? Apparently it's murder to you if you shoot first.

It's even more scary when someone is charging you with Skittles. You can choke to death on those things!

 

[OCNewbie]

It's even more scary when someone is charging you with Skittles. You can choke to death on those things!

Do you not even bother reading the attached, quoted posts people reply to?

 

[OCNewbie]

While I don't agree with you, nice job laying it out.

Agreed, thanks, JKing, for taking the time to explain yourself.

 

[emperus]

And why is it that this defendant can afford such an attorney? It's a miscarriage of justice for GZ to have even been charged with a crime (especially 2nd degree murder), and because of that, people are doing what they can, by providing monetary support, to improve the odds that this travesty falls short of an innocent man being wrongfully convicted based on emotional, factually-naive public outcry.

There was nothing "lucky" about this ruling. The appeals court didn't roll any dice; they made a ruling based on law and found Lester biased, and he was removed because of their findings.

Read what I wrote and slowly. To get lucky with a judge(get a new judge that is beneficial to him after purportrating a fraud on the court).

 

[emperus]

LOL! "white privilege" Keep up the victim mentality.

Have you read this thread. This thread is a monument of the white victim mentality. You guys complain on a daily basis that the media, the courts, the DA, the judge, and society (PC) is out to do harm to you.

It's actually quite sad.

 

[EagleKeeper]

And because of "gifts" from NRA lobbyists.

Evidence or supposition?