Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[spidey07]

I happened across a page some of you may be interested in.

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/fatal-cases

Great. I hope you understand the same laws apply to some 24 states.

Don't want to get dead? Don't viciously attack somebody.

Fucking skittle brought his fists to a gun fight. Skittle loses. That's why this needs to happen all over the country. When a skittle does this, you must shoot them. Once word gets around that the skittle can get ventilated, lawfully, only then will it stop.

America is sick of skittle's behavior. And America is ready to combat them.

 

[TerryMathews]

Great. I hope you understand the same laws apply to some 24 states.

Don't want to get dead? Don't viciously attack somebody.

Fucking skittle brought his fists to a gun fight. Skittle loses. That's why this needs to happen all over the country. When a skittle does this, you must shoot them. Once word gets around that the skittle can get ventilated, lawfully, only then will it stop.

America is sick of skittle's behavior. And America is ready to combat them.

You are such a tool.

 

[momeNt]

Great. I hope you understand the same laws apply to some 24 states.

Don't want to get dead? Don't viciously attack somebody.

Fucking skittle brought his fists to a gun fight. Skittle loses. That's why this needs to happen all over the country. When a skittle does this, you must shoot them. Once word gets around that the skittle can get ventilated, lawfully, only then will it stop.

America is sick of skittle's behavior. And America is ready to combat them.

Solution: Lift age requirements to own and carry a gun. GZ lived because TM was 17 and a law abiding citizen not carrying a weapon.

 

[corwin]

Solution: Lift age requirements to own and carry a gun. GZ lived because TM was 17 and a law abiding citizen not carrying a weapon.

Hahaha...law abiding vitizens don't assault people without just cause...spidey is a little off but your just as fucking wacko

 

[cybrsage]

momeNt, by the very meaning of the phrase "law abiding", you must agree that if someone violates the law (attacking someone illegally) they are no longer law abiding. Claiming a criminal is a law abiding citizen is silly.

 

[TerryMathews]

Solution: Lift age requirements to own and carry a gun. GZ lived because TM was 17 and a law abiding citizen not carrying a weapon.

He stopped being law abiding the minute he assaulted Zimmerman.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Solution: Lift age requirements to own and carry a gun. GZ lived because TM was 17 and a law abiding citizen not carrying a weapon.

Interesting that 15 & 16 year old walk around with guns and shoot people. Age had nothing to do with it, nor being a law abiding citizen. TM was suspended, not very law abiding attitude there

 

[brianmanahan]

hey, nobody told me that the neff thread got renamed!

 

[soundforbjt]

He stopped being law abiding the minute he assaulted Zimmerman.

Of course you have proof that TM assaulted Zimmerman and will put that in your next post, I'm sure.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Of course you have proof that TM assaulted Zimmerman and will put that in your next post, I'm sure.

Of course if you had proof that this was not the case you would have had it in your post.

 

[Tom]

He stopped being law abiding the minute he assaulted Zimmerman.

There's no evidence he assaulted Zimmerman.

There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, but its just a simple fact that we don't know what happened so its wrong to say Martin acted criminally as if you know that to be true.

That's the reason why we have trials and hearings. We empower judges and juries to come to conclusions based on their best judgement.

 

[Tom]

Of course if you had proof that this was not the case you would have had it in your post.

It would be just as wrong for someone to say Martin didn't commit assault as it is to say he did.

One important point though, a person having injuries doesn't establish "assault" was commited.

 

[spidey07]

It would be just as wrong for someone to say Martin didn't commit assault as it is to say he did.

One important point though, a person having injuries doesn't establish "assault" was commited.

Yes it does. There's plenty of evidence of felony assault including eye witnesses.

Care to explain how he got those injuries? Are we going back to the "it was aliens" approach?

You are not allowed to repeatedly beat somebody's head against the concrete, break their nose and mount for ground and pound. That is illegal, that is felony assault and battery. Martin's felony assault and battery is known fact according to the evidence.

 

[corwin]

It would be just as wrong for someone to say Martin didn't commit assault as it is to say he did.

One important point though, a person having injuries doesn't establish "assault" was commited.

Wow, you're spot on there...it would establish battery was committed

 

[Londo_Jowo]

There's no evidence he assaulted Zimmerman.

There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, but its just a simple fact that we don't know what happened so its wrong to say Martin acted criminally as if you know that to be true.

That's the reason why we have trials and hearings. We empower judges and juries to come to conclusions based on their best judgement.

Really? So how did GZ sustain facial and head injuries? Have you actually read the Florida statutes on assault and battery?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

It would be just as wrong for someone to say Martin didn't commit assault as it is to say he did.

One important point though, a person having injuries doesn't establish "assault" was commited.

Go read the Florida statute concerning assault and battery. Two witnesses place TM on top of GZ, this alone meets the requirements of the battery statute.

 

[airdata]

Of course you have proof that TM assaulted Zimmerman and will put that in your next post, I'm sure.

EXACTLY!

All of these pro zimmerman nuts are complete hypocrites. Lack of evidence is just fine if you're defending the killer. Not ok if you're defending the victim.

 

[airdata]

Really? So how did GZ sustain facial and head injuries? Have you actually read the Florida statutes on assault and battery?

Come on bud... Keep it real.

We do not know how the altercation started. There are a few possibilities.. One of which I've laid out in the last few pages involves Zimmerman grabbing Trayvon in attempt to detain him.

You absolutely CANNOT write this off as not being possible. We know the state of mind he was in from his recorded phone call.

Why did he exit his car if not to keep that asshole from getting away? That fucking punk wasn't going to get away on his watch.

That is the mindset Zimmerman had as he chased after Trayvon. DeeDee gives first hand witness to words being exchanged between the 2 which totally conflicts w\ Zimmerman's written statement.


It is Extremely likely that Zimmerman had this " Oh Shit" moment when he was standing over a dead body and he scrambled to cover his ass not realizing anybody had heard his encounter w\ Trayvon.


This makes the case. He has claimed Trayvon blind sided him... and yet we have a first hand witness who's story says that's not the case. Innocent people do not lie.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...ml&StatuteYear=2012&Title=->2012->Chapter 784

Assault

784.011 Assault.—
(1) An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.
(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083

Battery

784.03 Battery; felony battery.—
(1)(a) The offense of battery occurs when a person:
1 Actually and intentionally touches or strikes another person against the will of the other; or
2. Intentionally causes bodily harm to another person.
(b) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person who commits battery commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(2) A person who has one prior conviction for battery, aggravated battery, or felony battery and who commits any second or subsequent battery commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. For purposes of this subsection, “conviction” means a determination of guilt that is the result of a plea or a trial, regardless of whether adjudication is withheld or a plea of nolo contendere is entered.

There are witnesses that show TM was committing assault and battery at the time he was shot.

 

[Tom]

Go read the Florida statute concerning assault and battery. Two witnesses place TM on top of GZ, this alone meets the requirements of the battery statute.

No it doesn't. For instance, if Zimmerman commited assault then Martin's response isn't assault and battery.

And Zimmerman could have commited assault without touching Martin.

 

[momeNt]

He stopped being law abiding the minute he assaulted Zimmerman.

TM most likely defended himself against GZ (not assault) when he saw GZ reaching for a gun, or reasonably believed that he was reaching for his gun. Had TM had a weapon, and fired first, a weapon would have been found on GZ, and TM's allegations would have been proven true and his assumptions reasonable.

Obviously none of that happened because 17 years old is way too young to carry a gun. 18 is the absolute perfect age for such things.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Come on bud... Keep it real.

We do not know how the altercation started. There are a few possibilities.. One of which I've laid out in the last few pages involves Zimmerman grabbing Trayvon in attempt to detain him.

You absolutely CANNOT write this off as not being possible. We know the state of mind he was in from his recorded phone call.

Why did he exit his car if not to keep that asshole from getting away? That fucking punk wasn't going to get away on his watch.

That is the mindset Zimmerman had as he chased after Trayvon. DeeDee gives first hand witness to words being exchanged between the 2 which totally conflicts w\ Zimmerman's written statement.


It is Extremely likely that Zimmerman had this " Oh Shit" moment when he was standing over a dead body and he scrambled to cover his ass not realizing anybody had heard his encounter w\ Trayvon.


This makes the case. He has claimed Trayvon blind sided him... and yet we have a first hand witness who's story says that's not the case. Innocent people do not lie.

It's time for you to get real on what transpired.

Dee Dee is a ear witness and guessing at best as to what went down. Two witnesses place TM on top of GZ prior to the shot being fired. The fact that TM was on top meets the Florida definition of assault and battery.

 

[Tom]

It's time for you to get real on what transpired.

Dee Dee is a ear witness and guessing at best as to what went down. Two witnesses place TM on top of GZ prior to the shot being fired. The fact that TM was on top meets the Florida definition of assault and battery.

No it doesn't. Winning a fight you didn't start isn't proof of a crime.

Its time for you to get real and acknowledge that you think your opinion is fact.

But it isn't.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

No it doesn't. Winning a fight you didn't start isn't proof of a crime.

Its time for you to get real and acknowledge that you think your opinion is fact.

But it isn't.

You can't get around the fact two witnesses place TM on top of GZ, this is text book assault and battery by the statutes I showed.

 

[soundforbjt]

You can't get around the fact two witnesses place TM on top of GZ, this is text book assault and battery by the statutes I showed.

It depends on how the judge & jury sees it, nothing more.