Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[JKing106]

You're such a fucking douchebag, I'll bet you even look like one:

Yep, nailed it...

Hey, look, it's superstalker pussy himself. He even saved my picture. You're not beating off to it, are you?

It is difficult to have much sympathy for you, given your excessively vitriolic style of posting. While we allow back and forth insults here, there are civilized limits to EVERYTHING, and you have been crossing that line. Please tone it down. This is your one warning.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[spidey07]

Aggressor or defending himself from GZ? That we will probably never know for sure.

Doesn't matter because even if zimmerman was initial aggressor he could still defend himself with lethal force when he is on his back being mounted and beaten which is a known fact.

 

[nobodyknows]

Aggressor or defending himself from GZ? That we will probably never know for sure.

I agree, we will never know with 100% certainty but IMO the known evidence supports the self defense theory the best.

 

[emperus]

Quit acting obtuse.

Explain to me what you meant then? You're saying he got hit so hard he fell backwards and was dazed. If so, how does he make it 45 ft down the dogwalk?

 

[soundforbjt]

Again, GZ got hit with the first punch and fell forward 45 feet?

And towards TM, not retreating towards his vehicle, doesn't add up.

 

[spidey07]

And towards TM, not retreating towards his vehicle, doesn't add up.

There is no duty to retreat in florida and 25 other states.

 

[soundforbjt]

Doesn't matter because even if zimmerman was initial aggressor he could still defend himself with lethal force when he is on his back being mounted and beaten which is a known fact.

No it's not, there's no proof that he was being beaten while on his back and mounted. John now says he didn't see it, and GZ doesn't have any defensive injuries, nor are his wounds indicative of a MMA ground & pound attack either. Just cause you say that, doesn't make it true. Like the GZ supporters always say...where's the proof?

 

[JKing106]

There is no duty to retreat in florida and 25 other states.

What's the state law about living off your wife's salary while portraying yourself as a tough guy on nerd forums?

 

[soundforbjt]

There is no duty to retreat in florida and 25 other states.

You're talking from no experience again and you look foolish doing it. What you said has nothing to do with the statement you quoted.

 

[spidey07]

No it's not, there's no proof that he was being beaten while on his back and mounted. John now says he didn't see it, and GZ doesn't have any defensive injuries, nor are his wounds indicative of a MMA ground & pound attack either. Just cause you say that, doesn't make it true. Like the GZ supporters always say...where's the proof?

We have eye witness account of MMA style ground and pound.

 

[spidey07]

You're talking from no experience again and you look foolish doing it.

I actually enjoy completely demolishing every point you make with facts and truth.

 

[JKing106]

Another expert witness.

This all so relative because everybody and situation is different. As lomg as were telling antdotes, I've seen several people get knocked the fuck out and they never had a bruise, black eye, or any other scratch/injury on them.

You conveniently left the nose out of that, which bleeds like a water spigot when struck with minimal force. And yes, I've had my nose broken. In a fight. With another human, not World of Warcraft. Zimmerman's nose was fractured, barely. I've seen girl fights with more serious wounds than that. Anyone who has ever been in a real fight, or seen real fights knows this. So do you, but you're a fucking liar, and will make up any excuse for Zimmerman.

 

[soundforbjt]

We have eye witness account of MMA style ground and pound.

Which witness is that, GZ is not a witness and John has recanted his story?

 

[JKing106]

We have eye witness account of MMA style ground and pound.

No, you don't. You're fucking lying, and you know it.

Maybe you should get your wife to pay for some MMA classes for you so you can sound convincing, get you off the computer so you can learn how to be a man, instead of pretending to be one to other nerds on a forum.

 

[spidey07]

Which witness is that, GZ is not a witness and John has recanted his story?

That does not change the FACT that we have eye witness signed statement saying MMA ground and pound. Also same from the investigating officer. You cannot argue this FACT.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Which witness is that, GZ is not a witness and John has recanted his story?

Yet John didn't recant on the fact that TM was on top of GZ just mere seconds before the shot was fired. There's also a second witness that places TM on top of GZ before the shot was fired as well.

 

[soundforbjt]

I actually enjoy completely demolishing every point you make with facts and truth.

A fact which had nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

 

[soundforbjt]

That does not change the FACT that we have eye witness signed statement saying MMA ground and pound. Also same from the investigating officer. You cannot argue this FACT.

Which he now says he didn't see. I can say I saw you playing with barbie dolls this morning and then recant it later, which one is true?

 

[OCNewbie]

Yet John didn't recant on the fact that TM was on top of GZ just mere seconds before the shot was fired. There's also a second witness that places TM on top of GZ before the shot was fired as well.

John didn't rule out TM punching GZ either. He said he wasn't as certain about it. He said it could have also been pushing, or holding him down or something, I believe.

 

[OCNewbie]

Which he now says he didn't see. I can say I saw you playing with barbie dolls this morning and then recant it later, which one is true?

Well, let's see. I see you from behind, and you're moving your hands about. When you stand up, there are barbies all dressed up in things they weren't dressed up in 5 minutes ago (GZ's injuries). Sure, I can't say for sure you were playing with barbies, but that's what it looked like from my point of view.

 

[soundforbjt]

John didn't rule out TM punching GZ either. He said he wasn't as certain about it. He said it could have also been pushing, or holding him down or something, I believe.

John is a terrible witness, he has no idea what he saw other than TM on top of GZ.

 

[nobodyknows]

Explain to me what you meant then? You're saying he got hit so hard he fell backwards and was dazed. If so, how does he make it 45 ft down the dogwalk?

Who knows what happened after TM sucker punched GZ? Who knows exactly what happened? Nobody but GZ and after getting hit that hard he may not even know. Since you are doing your best to discredit him (and me) you wouldn't believe anything he (or I) said anyway.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I'm not sure you've read all the evidence or ur deliberately being obtuse.

Explain to me how the sucker punch happened. Did TM sucker punch GZ and he fell forward 45 ft? How did GZ make it from the T to the spot where TM's body lay?

Btw, TM did not have bruising on his hands. This is the 2nd time u've perpetuated that myth. He had a small cut on one finger.

Ask yourself why you need to misrepresent the facts to find GZ faultless,

Where did you get the 45ft distance? What statement is it stated? Or did you count the cement sections of the sidewalk?

Instead of answering the question, you question the distance...typical of a GZ supporter.

I have provide both my explanation of determining the distance and a theory on why the body of Martin ended up there.

A few TM supporters continue to stretch the distance from the top of the T and when called will not explain there distance determination.

Photos have shown the body 5+ sections of concrete sidewalk. A section is between 4-6 feet long. Hopefully a TM supporter will do the math.

If a TM supporter has a better measure/explanation for the distance , please do so.

 

[OCNewbie]

DruidX used some trigonometry based on the police sketch and came up with a figure of ~33 feet, I believe.

 

[nobodyknows]

John is a terrible witness, he has no idea what he saw other than TM on top of GZ.

He's the best one of all of them IMO.