UN solution for the North Korea problem

[nick1985]

MacGuyver, working for Kim Jong, took 1 Beef MRE and 2 Chicken MREs, combined them with 3 IV Saline solutions making Fissionable Material used in the Bomb.

Everyone knows this

:thumbsup:

 

[fskimospy]

Your right, I wouldn't be.

Actually, that question (which you didn't answer) was rhetorical. We all know how you would answer it, so your answer isn't even necessary.

You're trying really really hard to win this argument, and it's not working very well.

I'm pretty glad to see that for all my wasted time I've at least gotten under your skin though. Maybe that will prompt you to know what you're talking about before you open your mouth in the future instead of making ridiculous statements and then furiously searching Wikipedia for support afterwards.

 

[nick1985]

You're trying really really hard to win this argument, and it's not working very well.

Are you talking to a mirror?

I'm pretty glad to see that for all my wasted time I've at least gotten under your skin though.

Actually the opposite has happened. You said a while ago that you were going to bed....but you didn't. This thread irked you so much you just HAD to stay up. Under your skin enough to lose sleep over? Yep. Someone is pissed.

Maybe that will prompt you to know what you're talking about before you open your mouth in the future instead of making ridiculous statements and then furiously searching Wikipedia for support afterwards.

LOL! Yeah, you sure "showed" me. Gosh, you made such a compelling argument for aid to North Korea. Its worked sooooo well. You even substantiated your claim with 1st hand "expert" testimony. Good one. Maybe you should finally hit the hay, its obvious you are baked out of your fucking mind and need to sleep it off. You are running around claiming victory when you just looked like a fool.

 

[sandorski]

There's no simple answer to this mess. Invasion destroys S Korea as well as the North, possibly Japan gets nuked, China will be pissed off at the very least but quite possibly would become directly involved on the side of the North.

Using Nukes doesn't guarantee success, but guarantees fucking up every nation downwind. Pisses off China again.

Sanctions/Aid is the remaining most sane solution. Ya it sucks that it means paying off a Mad man using nothing but threats of violence(with the occasional example) to get his way, but turning Asia into a Multinational War Zone would suck far more. Decoupling North Korea and China would go a long way to solving this issue, but unfortunately decades of poor Foreign/Trade Policy has given China all the Cards.

 

[fskimospy]

Are you talking to a mirror?



Actually the opposite has happened. You said a while ago that you were going to bed....but you didn't. This thread irked you so much you just HAD to stay up. Under your skin enough to lose sleep over? Yep. Someone is pissed.



LOL! Yeah, you sure "showed" me. Gosh, you made such a compelling argument for aid to North Korea. Its worked sooooo well. You even substantiated your claim with 1st hand "expert" testimony. Good one. Maybe you should finally hit the hay, its obvious you are baked out of your fucking mind and need to sleep it off. You are running around claiming victory when you just looked like a fool.

Actually I've been playing Civilization 4, for some reason I've never had the willpower to stop with this stupid game.

I did make a compelling argument for aid to North Korea. It's so compelling that every single government that deals with them has come to the same conclusion I have. It really doesn't matter what you think in the end, because they are following the policy that I'm talking about, not the policy that you are. You should probably think of the implications of that and ask yourself why they do it.

If you knew the first thing about international relations you would know that what I cited is most certainly expert testimony. But then again, we've already shown pretty conclusively that you don't.

 

[nick1985]

I did make a compelling argument for aid to North Korea. It's so compelling that every single government that deals with them has come to the same conclusion I have. It really doesn't matter what you think in the end, because they are following the policy that I'm talking about, not the policy that you are. You should probably think of the implications of that and ask yourself why they do it.

Wow. I'm convinced now! Since "every single government" thinks giving money to North Korea is the best idea, then it surely must be! Following the policy that you are talking about, lol, where has this policy gotten us? Here, let me answer that for you:

Its gotten us a nuclear North Korea who has become extremely belligerent and more and more open to blatant attacks on South Korea.

I say keep on truckin'. More money, its working wonders.

 

[fskimospy]

Wow. I'm convinced now! Since "every single government" thinks giving money to North Korea is the best idea, then it surely must be! Following the policy that you are talking about, lol, where has this policy gotten us? Here, let me answer that for you:

Its gotten us a nuclear North Korea who has become extremely belligerent and more and more open to blatant attacks on South Korea.

I say keep on truckin'. More money, its working wonders.

Saying that they are more and more open to blatant attacks on South Korea requires you to know nothing of the history between North and South Korea. They have always done things like this.

And yes, the fact that all the groups who are specifically charged with coming up with effective foreign policy for a nation have decided on a similar course of action should tell you something, but I'm sure you know better than all those people.

 

[nick1985]

Saying that they are more and more open to blatant attacks on South Korea requires you to know nothing of the history between North and South Korea. They have always done things like this.

No shit Sherlock.

Two big attacks, with many fatalities, within months of each other? Sounds like they are getting more and more belligerent.

And yes, the fact that all the groups who are specifically charged with coming up with effective foreign policy for a nation have decided on a similar course of action should tell you something, but I'm sure you know better than all those people.

Yep, because government is always correct. If they thought of the plan, it must work.

Lets break it down again. This policy has yielded us a nuclear North Korea that has been increasing its attacks on South Korea. Also, the attacks are becoming more and more blatant. First a sinking of a ship, now the shelling of an island.

 

[fskimospy]

Your next assignment is to go learn of the history between North and South Korea.

 

[nick1985]

Oh, and now North Korea is warning of a retaliation

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/25/skorea-boosts-security-nkorea-issues-warning/


Maybe another 100 million will calm them down for a few months. Where do I go to donate to this worthy cause?

 

[nick1985]

Your next assignment is to go learn of the history between North and South Korea.

More dodging and deflecting, with a touch of condescension.

Classic eskimospy post.

 

[fskimospy]

Oh, and now North Korea is warning of a retaliation

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/25/skorea-boosts-security-nkorea-issues-warning/


Maybe another 100 million will calm them down for a few months. Where do I go to donate?

You are acting like a child now, and it's because in the back of your head you know I'm right.

Our policies towards North Korea have been perfectly serviceable for 60 years now, and they will continue to be serviceable for another 60 years if need be. Kim Jong Il won't do anything meaningful in retaliation that might get him into real trouble with the US or China, because he doesn't want to jeopardize his position.

The next time North Korea makes some sort of threat you should bring it in here like a shiny new too too, because it will mean just as little then.

 

[fskimospy]

More dodging and deflecting, with a touch of condescension.

Classic eskimospy post.

Once again, I like how you think it's my job to collect rudimentary information about the subject we're talking about and deliver it to you for consumption instead of you going and learning about it yourself.

North Korea and South Korea have had multiple naval battles over the years, with a number of ships sunk. North Korea has breached the DMZ and hacked American soldiers to death with axes. North Korea sent 30 soldiers into South Korea to assassinate their president, almost succeeded, and caused more than 100 casualties. North Korea has boarded and captured a US ship, etc... etc... etc.

But yeah, this whole 'shelling an island and killing two people' thing is really a new high water mark. You're totally right, more and more brazen.

 

[nick1985]

You are acting like a child now, and it's because in the back of your head you know I'm right.

haha, good one.

Our policies towards North Korea have been perfectly serviceable for 60 years now, and they will continue to be serviceable for another 60 years if need be.

Does the family of that soldier who got chopped up with an axe think they are serviceable? You really think that things will be fine for another 60 years?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_%E2%80%93_South_Korea_relations

Look at how many attacks, since the Korean War, there have been. A dozen or so serious incidents, spread out over the decades. In the last few months, you have arguably two of the most serious incidents. To say things haven't gone from bad to worse is silly. Saying more aid money is needed is just flat out hilarious.

Kim Jong Il won't do anything meaningful in retaliation that might get him into real trouble with the US or China, because he doesn't want to jeopardize his position.

Want me to rattle off several dozen leaders who did just that?

The next time North Korea makes some sort of threat you should bring it in here like a shiny new too too, because it will mean just as little then.

Nah, I'll wait for the next innocent South Korean to be murdered, then I'll post about it and you can say a few more bucks in aid would have saved his life.

 

[nick1985]

Once again, I like how you think it's my job to collect rudimentary information about the subject we're talking about and deliver it to you for consumption instead of you going and learning about it yourself.

North Korea and South Korea have had multiple naval battles over the years, with a number of ships sunk. North Korea has breached the DMZ and hacked American soldiers to death with axes. North Korea sent 30 soldiers into South Korea to assassinate their president, almost succeeded, and caused more than 100 casualties. North Korea has boarded and captured a US ship, etc... etc... etc.

But yeah, this whole 'shelling an island and killing two people' thing is really a new high water mark. You're totally right, more and more brazen.

....aaannnnd the above post lays out how and why they are becoming more and more belligerent. 6 decades with roughly a dozen or less serious incidents. Within a few months you have, arguably, 2 of the worst. See where I'm going with this? Time between major incidents sure seems to be shrinking, which implies to me that things are precarious and on the brink of all-out war.


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Also, 4 people were killed and many more wounded in the shelling of the South Korean island. Again, for a know-it-all, you dont know it all.

 

[fskimospy]

And not a single one of those things led to another war on the Korean peninsula, which is the whole point you ridiculous idiot. All of those attacks, save for possibly the assassination attempt on park Chung-hee, were minor enough that we didn't have to have another war that nobody wanted.

The two recent events are absolutely nowhere close to the most important ones that have happened, you just think so because you didn't know anything about this until you started googling tonight.

You have a need to keep misrepresenting my argument, because if you don't, then you have no case. You can continue to cling to your myths as long as they comfort you, but the people who count will continue to agree with me. I know it's not possible to change your mind, because if it were you wouldn't be trotting out the same discredited arguments over and over again.

 

[fskimospy]

....aaannnnd the above post lays out how and why they are becoming more and more belligerent. 6 decades with roughly a dozen or less serious incidents. Within a few months you have, arguably, 2 of the worst. See where I'm going with this? Time between major incidents sure seems to be shrinking, which implies to me that things are precarious and on the brink of all-out war.


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Also, 4 people were killed and many more wounded in the shelling of the South Korean island. Again, for a know-it-all, you dont know it all.

They are only arguably two of the worst if you have no concept of the definition of 'worst'. We are also in no way, shape, or form on the 'brink of all-out war'.

I'm going to bed now, but lets put our money where our mouthes are. I'll bet you $1,000, and give you 10-1 odds (so you only need to put up $100!) that there is no war between the US and North Korea. (A war is commonly defined as any conflict that has 1,000 or more total casualties total)

 

[nick1985]

And not a single one of those things led to another war on the Korean peninsula,

No, they didn't. However the last 2 blatant and brazen military attacks on South Korea could easily cause them to slip into a war.

which is the whole point you ridiculous idiot.

Fuck you.

The two recent events are absolutely nowhere close to the most important ones that have happened

Disagree

you just think so because you didn't know anything about this until you started googling tonight.

I knew plenty about the history of the two countries, trust me. I can even email you a copy of my college capstone paper regarding the issues between them if you want. PM me with your email.

You have a need to keep misrepresenting my argument, because if you don't, then you have no case.

I'm not misrepresenting jack shit. You think aid to North Korea is a good idea. I dont. Simple as that, keep spinning though

You can continue to cling to your myths as long as they comfort you, but the people who count will continue to agree with me.

What myths are those, exactly? That North Korea is a nuclear power that is increasing its frequency of attacks on South Korea? Sounds like a stone-cold fact to me

I know it's not possible to change your mind, because if it were you wouldn't be trotting out the same discredited arguments over and over again.

Uh huh. Please discredit my last comment.

Hint: You cant.

 

[fskimospy]

*sigh*, it already has been. Over, and over, and over.

 

[nick1985]

*sigh*, it already has been. Over, and over, and over.

It has?

"That North Korea is a nuclear power that is increasing its frequency of attacks on South Korea? Sounds like a stone-cold fact to me"

Where is the falsehood in that statement? Please tell me.

 

[fskimospy]

So like I said, since the war could happen so easily and I'm giving you such favorable odds, put your money where your mouth is.

You won't, because you know that you're wrong.

 

[nick1985]

So like I said, since the war could happen so easily and I'm giving you such favorable odds, put your money where your mouth is.

You won't, because you know that you're wrong.

I'm not going to bet on war between two nations. That makes me sick to my stomach to even think about betting on that. I'll bet on elections, sports games, poker, and plenty of other things. I wont bet on the murder of people.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not going to bet on war between two nations. That makes me sick to my stomach to even think about betting on that. I'll bet on elections, sports games, poker, and plenty of other things. I wont bet on the murder of people.

Oh, of course. I'm sure it has nothing to do with you being full of shit.

 

[nick1985]

Oh, of course. I'm sure it has nothing to do with you being full of shit.

What am I full of shit about? That I think the situation there is rapidly deteriorating? Not at all. Do I think war is possible? Certainly. Will it happen tomorrow, probably not. Will I bet on the murder of people? Nope.

This whole "bet" of yours is another red herring to distract attention from the real facts. You want aid for North Korea, I feel it has gotten us nowhere and possibly hurt us. Keep spinning, demanding bets, insulting me, and whatever else it is that you do. Go right ahead, it wont change anything though

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Still awake I see? Damn, you are worked up about this

 

[fskimospy]

What am I full of shit about? That I think the situation there is rapidly deteriorating? Not at all. Do I think war is possible? Certainly. Will it happen tomorrow, probably not. Will I bet on the murder of people? Nope.

This whole "bet" of yours is another red herring to distract attention from the real facts. You want aid for North Korea, I feel it has gotten us nowhere and possibly hurt us. Keep spinning, demanding bets, insulting me, and whatever else it is that you do. Go right ahead, it wont change anything though

Annnnnd here comes the backpedaling! Goodnight sweetheart, I think we all just learned how much of your bullshit you actually believe.