UN solution for the North Korea problem

[nick1985]

I've already responded to the same thing probably about 5 times now. Denuclearization is a goal of US policy there, but it is not the primary goal.

You're just flailing at this point, because your pride is hurt.

You are flailing. Was our aid money, aimed at stopping their nuclear program, a success? Yes or no.


Also, what is our primary goal? Keeping the peace, I assume. Has that been working either? I seem to recall a ship being sunk and an island being shelled, both this year. I'll go ahead and peg that one as a failure too.

 

[nick1985]

I'm also tired, so I'm going to go to bed as well. Not only that, but I know that nothing I say will change our good friend Nick's opinion in the slightest, because he's not interested in that sort of thing.

I conceed, you got the last word (as you will post a follow up to this post ). Must be nice to be like a rock and not let anything sink in. I knew I was wasting my time since my comments don't fit with your agenda. It's not about winning, it's about discussion, which doesn't exist here. That's why I usually, only give sacastic flippant responses. Are you happy now. I'm exhausted.

Goodnight kids. Nice final salvos each of you fired. :thumbsup:

I'm too dumb to get it. Nothing sinks in. I dont see the bigger picture. Doesn't fit my agenda. Just an internet jackass. Yep, you guys nailed it on the head. I'm too simple minded to understand that our aid money to North Korea has been a stunning success and a good use of taxpayer funds. I just cant get that through my thick skull. Only the truly "enlightened" elite liberals, such as yourselves, gets it.

 

[hal2kilo]

Goodnight kids. Nice final salvos each of you fired. :thumbsup:

I'm going to cry myself to sleep after this post.

 

[nick1985]

I'm going to cry myself to sleep after this post.

Just put your arm around eskimo(he might already be asleep though), you two can cry together.

Oh, and PM me for that paypal address for North Korean aid. I'm sure you are dying to donate.

 

[fskimospy]

You are flailing. Was our aid money, aimed at stopping their nuclear program, a success? Yes or no.


Also, what is our primary goal? Keeping the peace, I assume. Has that been working either? I seem to recall a ship being sunk and an island being shelled, both this year. I'll go ahead and peg that one as a failure too.

Your post is a non sequitur. It claims that because aid money specifically targeted at their nuclear program didn't end it, that aid money for all other aspects of our relations is not successful. This fails a basic test of logic.

As for your request for links, go look them up yourself. I gave you the date already and I'm through holding your hand. If you actually wanted to learn something instead of simply reinforce your own moronic opinions, I'd be glad to help you out, but I've attempted to pound these same basic facts into your head around 4-5 times now, without effect. (as evidenced by your idea that stopping NK's nuclear program is the same thing as what we're talking about here). If you change your mind, by all means let me know.

 

[nick1985]

Your post is a non sequitur. It claims that because aid money specifically targeted at their nuclear program didn't end it, that aid money for all other aspects of our relations is not successful. This fails a basic test of logic.

As for your request for links, go look them up yourself. I gave you the date already and I'm through holding your hand. If you actually wanted to learn something instead of simply reinforce your own moronic opinions, I'd be glad to help you out, but I've attempted to pound these same basic facts into your head around 4-5 times now, without effect. (as evidenced by your idea that stopping NK's nuclear program is the same thing as what we're talking about here). If you change your mind, by all means let me know.

I thought that was BS anyway.


Also, pound facts into my head? You havn't cited a damn thing other than your pal's opinion.

Goals? I'm not too sure on what they are, but I have a guess:

1. Stopping nuclear proliferation in North Korea --- Stunning failure, waste of money

2. Keeping the peace with South Korea --- Stunning failure, waste of money

3. I guess helping the poor citizens of North Korea? How are they doing anyway....

"In 2006, Amnesty International reported that a national nutrition survey conducted by the North Korean government, the World Food Programme, and UNICEF found that 7% of children were severely malnourished; 37% were chronically malnourished; 23.4% were underweight; and one in three mothers was malnourished and anaemic as the result of the lingering effect of the famine. The inflation caused by some of the 2002 economic reforms, including the Songun or "Military-first" policy, was cited for creating the increased price of basic foods."

Um....Military-First policy? lol. Guess all those hundreds of thousands of tons of foreign food aid(some by the US) isn't getting to the right hands.

---so thats a stunning failure as well.


What am I missing. What is our goal that is being so successfully achieved there as to warrant more funds and aid?

 

[fskimospy]

Go read this thread again, along with the other thread about North Korea. Every single point you have brought up has been addressed multiple times.

You are either too lazy, too stupid, or too dishonest to recognize that. Until you show a willingness to read what other people have taken the time to write and digest it before asking them to repeat themselves over and over again with the same stupid questions, you don't deserve a response. Christ man, it's common courtesy.

All your questions have already been answered. If you weren't so lazy or obsessed with winning an internet fight, you might learn something.

 

[hal2kilo]

I thought that was BS anyway.


Also, pound facts into my head? You havn't cited a damn thing other than your pal's opinion.

Goals? I'm not too sure on what they are, but I have a guess:

1. Stopping nuclear proliferation in North Korea --- Stunning failure, waste of money

2. Keeping the peace with South Korea --- Stunning failure, waste of money

3. I guess helping the poor citizens of North Korea? How are they doing anyway....

"In 2006, Amnesty International reported that a national nutrition survey conducted by the North Korean government, the World Food Programme, and UNICEF found that 7% of children were severely malnourished; 37% were chronically malnourished; 23.4% were underweight; and one in three mothers was malnourished and anaemic as the result of the lingering effect of the famine. The inflation caused by some of the 2002 economic reforms, including the Songun or "Military-first" policy, was cited for creating the increased price of basic foods."

Um....Military-First policy? lol. Guess all those hundreds of thousands of tons of foreign food aid(some by the US) isn't getting to the right hands.

---so thats a stunning failure as well.
What am I missing. What is our goal that is being so successfully achieved there as to warrant more funds and aid?

I wonder what Amnesty International has to say about the percentage of the prisoner population in the U.S. compared to N. Korea.

 

[nick1985]

Go read this thread again, along with the other thread about North Korea. Every single point you have brought up has been addressed multiple times.

You are either too lazy, too stupid, or too dishonest to recognize that. Until you show a willingness to read what other people have taken the time to write and digest it before asking them to repeat themselves over and over again with the same stupid questions, you don't deserve a response. Christ man, it's common courtesy.

All your questions have already been answered. If you weren't so lazy or obsessed with winning an internet fight, you might learn something.

More dodging and deflecting, combined with a healthy dose of personal attacks.

I like the way you debate. :thumbsup:


*edit*

I figured I'll try one more time.

What is our goal that is being so successfully achieved there as to warrant more funds and aid?

 

[nick1985]

I wonder what Amnesty International has to say about the percentage of the prisoner population in the U.S. compared to N. Korea.

Not sure, but I do know they arnt fond of North Korea.

"Multiple international human rights organizations, including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, accuse North Korea of having one of the worst human rights records of any nation"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_korea



"North Korean defectors have testified to the existence of prisons and concentration camps[177] with an estimated 150,000 to 200,000 inmates (about 0.85% of the population), and have reported torture, starvation, rape, murder, medical experimentation, forced labour, and forced abortions."

Sounds lovely. I'd much rather be there than any prison in this nation.

 

[fskimospy]

More dodging and deflecting, combined with a healthy dose of personal attacks.

I like the way you debate. :thumbsup:

Yeah, how unreasonable of me to ask you to read one of my 4 or 5 responses that I already wrote to the exact same points that you brought up. It really is my job to write out the same thing again, because expecting you to have actually read the threads you are participating in is just nuts.

You absolutely deserve to be personally attacked at this point.

 

[nick1985]

Yeah, how unreasonable of me to ask you to read one of my 4 or 5 responses that I already wrote to the exact same points that you brought up. It really is my job to write out the same thing again, because expecting you to have actually read the threads you are participating in is just nuts.

You absolutely deserve to be personally attacked at this point.

What is our goal that is being so successfully achieved there as to warrant more funds and aid?

 

[fskimospy]

What is our goal that is being so successfully achieved there as to warrant more funds and aid?

Go
Read
The
Fucking
Thread

 

[nick1985]

Go
Read
The
Fucking
Thread

Sure. You give generic, unspecific "answers". Maybe in your mind these following generic reply's constitute a well-reasoned argument backed up with facts to support it. Lay off the pot.

It helps to secure US interests in the region at a very low cost.

It's because we're doing it out of strategic interest as opposed to actually attempting to aid the population.

All this talk about securing our interests. What are those? Naturally it would be nuclear proliferation, keeping the peace, and helping their populace. All giant failures. Waste of money, yet you think they need more.

 

[fskimospy]

Sure. You give generic, unspecific "answers".

Go Read The Fucking Threads More Thoroughly.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I wonder what Amnesty International has to say about the percentage of the prisoner population in the U.S. compared to N. Korea.

How many of those poor US prisoners are being worked to death in labor camps or having their unborn children aborted just before birth, or being starved to death?

 

[nick1985]

Go Read The Fucking Threads More Thoroughly.

Just did. I see you called other posters "stupid" and "batshit insane", and ran around with the same generic "argument" that doesn't hold any water.

 

[nick1985]

I did find this gem though, not sure how I missed this:

On what information are you forming the opinion that US food aid is what enabled North Korea to build nuclear weapons?

Perhaps our food aid didn't enable it, but our millions of dollars we threw at them sure helped.

 

[fskimospy]

Just did. I see you called other posters "stupid" and "batshit insane", and ran around with the same generic "argument" that doesn't hold any water.

Keep reading. Sooner or later you'll learn that not a single one of North Korea's neighbors thinks that the efforts to keep the peace there have been a 'giant failure'.

But hey, Internet Guy knows best.

 

[fskimospy]

I did find this gem though, not sure how I missed this:





Perhaps our food aid didn't enable it, but our millions of dollars we threw at them sure helped.

Helped in what way? What parts of the program were accelerated? What year would the North Koreans have developed nuclear weapons without our aid?

 

[nick1985]

Keep reading. Sooner or later you'll learn that not a single one of North Korea's neighbors thinks that the efforts to keep the peace there have been a 'giant failure'.

Does that include the South Koreans that were just blown up by artillery? How about the sailors that were murdered? Do they not think peace efforts have been a failure?

As far as their direct neighbors go, lets examine that a little closer.

1. China. lol, I'll give you that. I'm sure they feel peace efforts are are going great.

2. South Korea. I wonder how the average South Korean feels about peace efforts with North Korea. I'd bet my nuts that most would say its a giant failure.

 

[nick1985]

Helped in what way? What parts of the program were accelerated? What year would the North Koreans have developed nuclear weapons without our aid?

Throwing out unprovable red herrings. Great tactic.

So you think our aid money either slowed, paused, canceled, or hindered in any way their nuclear progress? I'm sure you do, since aid to North Korea is well spent and we are seeing results. lol

 

[sandorski]

MacGuyver, working for Kim Jong, took 1 Beef MRE and 2 Chicken MREs, combined them with 3 IV Saline solutions making Fissionable Material used in the Bomb.

Everyone knows this

 

[fskimospy]

Throwing out unprovable red herrings. Great tactic.

So you think our aid money either slowed, paused, canceled, or hindered in any way their nuclear progress? I'm sure you do, since aid to North Korea is well spent and we are seeing results. lol

If you read the thread, you wouldn't be asking these questions.

Don't blame me for your unsupportable assertions.

 

[nick1985]

If you read the thread, you wouldn't be asking these questions.

Your right, I wouldn't be.

Actually, that question (which you didn't answer) was rhetorical. We all know how you would answer it, so your answer isn't even necessary.