UN solution for the North Korea problem

[Amused]

Pretty much, yeah. Not a great situation, but doable.

Well, this explains the behavior of many people's children, too.

Rewarding tantrums/bad behavior NEVER turns out well. When will people get that?

 

[extra]

We shouldn't be given them aid.

If they have something to trade with us, then sure, we could trade some food for some resources that they need. If they don't have anything to trade with us for goods or money or w/e, then we would just be enabling them by giving them aid. Any food that we ship them is just going to get stolen and given to the military and the regime, it's not going to make it to the regular population--thinking otherwise is to be DELUSIONAL.

And I'm a pretty liberal guy in many ways, for socialized medicine, for helping other countries after disasters, etc.

Giving north korea money is literally the modern day equivalent of giving money to nazi germany. For once, comparing something modern to hitler and nazi germany is *not an exaggeration*. By giving money to north korea we are enabling him to dedicate more resources to his military. They have concentration camps for god's sake. They murder their disabled people to make their society more pure. Giving them aid should not be on the table, destroying their sick leadership and trying them for crimes against humanity should be all that is talked about if we are going to talk about north korea.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, this explains the behavior of many people's children, too.

Rewarding tantrums/bad behavior NEVER turns out well. When will people get that?

A child is incapable of seriously harming their parents or their interests, North Korea IS capable of seriously harming our interests. Therefore, we treat them differently than we would a child.

Amazingly enough, international relations with nuclear armed states is not the same as raising a baby.

 

[fskimospy]

We shouldn't be given them aid.

If they have something to trade with us, then sure, we could trade some food for some resources that they need. If they don't have anything to trade with us for goods or money or w/e, then we would just be enabling them by giving them aid. Any food that we ship them is just going to get stolen and given to the military and the regime, it's not going to make it to the regular population--thinking otherwise is to be DELUSIONAL.

And I'm a pretty liberal guy in many ways, for socialized medicine, for helping other countries after disasters, etc.

Giving north korea money is literally the modern day equivalent of giving money to nazi germany. For once, comparing something modern to hitler and nazi germany is *not an exaggeration*. By giving money to north korea we are enabling him to dedicate more resources to his military. They have concentration camps for god's sake. They murder their disabled people to make their society more pure. Giving them aid should not be on the table, destroying their sick leadership and trying them for crimes against humanity should be all that is talked about if we are going to talk about north korea.

No state giving the North Koreans aid is doing it because they think it will be given primarily to the regular people of North Korea.

 

[Scotteq]

No state giving the North Koreans aid is doing it because they think it will be given primarily to the regular people of North Korea.

Even if it were all given directly to the people (which we're pretty sure isn't the case), it's still a subsidy because it frees up resource NK can use on their Military.

 

[piasabird]

We already tried that. It does not work giving meglomaniacs more money. They just shift more of their money to acquiring more weapons. Not a good idea. Just invade now.

Napalm falling from the skies
Everywhere the baby cries.

Mother Of All Bombs.

 

[fskimospy]

Even if it were all given directly to the people (which we're pretty sure isn't the case), it's still a subsidy because it frees up resource NK can use on their Military.

It sure is. The North Korean military threat would be substantially the same regardless of the aid that we give the country however.

 

[Scotteq]

It sure is. The North Korean military threat would be substantially the same regardless of the aid that we give the country however.

/agreed

'Dear Leader' doesn't care. Or perhaps more accurately: Those below him are intelligent enough to not allow him to see evidence of any failures which may be traced to him; lest they be singled out themselves for failing to properly execute the will of their Dear Leader. And we know what happens to people who fail to execute the will of Dear Leader.

 

[Amused]

A child is incapable of seriously harming their parents or their interests, North Korea IS capable of seriously harming our interests. Therefore, we treat them differently than we would a child.

Amazingly enough, international relations with nuclear armed states is not the same as raising a baby.

Sure it is. Because appeasement has worked so well throughout history.

Oh, wait...

Amazingly enough, you're full of shit.

 

[bfdd]

lol eskimospy, we should not give NK anything, no one should period. Who cares if it de-stabalizes the region. China and South Korea need to deal with this fucking North Korean problem and that means taking out North Korea. If South Korea has to lose a few million people to insure the long term success and survivability of its nation. Then that's what they have to do. They could minimize that by evacuating the region near the DMZ, but that would most likely shut down most of S.Korea not to mention alert N.Korea to what is going on.

Fact is, enough is enough and shit needs to get done. People dying sucks, but that's life get over it.

 

[qliveur]

Speak softly and carry a bribe?

 

[fskimospy]

lol eskimospy, we should not give NK anything, no one should period. Who cares if it de-stabalizes the region. China and South Korea need to deal with this fucking North Korean problem and that means taking out North Korea. If South Korea has to lose a few million people to insure the long term success and survivability of its nation. Then that's what they have to do. They could minimize that by evacuating the region near the DMZ, but that would most likely shut down most of S.Korea not to mention alert N.Korea to what is going on.

Fact is, enough is enough and shit needs to get done. People dying sucks, but that's life get over it.

How is what you are advocating in any way a superior foreign policy for the US? What do we gain from it?

What you're advocating is incomprehensibly stupid.

 

[nick1985]

Is eskimospy really apologizing for aid the UN gives to North Korea? Guess it takes all kinds...

 

[bfdd]

How is what you are advocating in any way a superior foreign policy for the US? What do we gain from it?

What you're advocating is incomprehensibly stupid.

We gain not having to deal with North Korea any longer, the world as a whole would be a better place. Millions of people would not be enslaved to the North because there would be no North. STOP GIVING THEM AID AND LET THEM TRY TO FLEX THEIR NUTS. North Korea mounting any sort of real attack is a suicide attack and they will be wiped out before they can do anything besides launch some shells at Seoul. Bad shit happens, the world isn't all fucking sunshine and rainbow icecream pops.

What you're advocating, supporting your enemy, is incomprehensibly stupid.

 

[fskimospy]

We gain not having to deal with North Korea any longer, the world as a whole would be a better place. Millions of people would not be enslaved to the North because there would be no North. STOP GIVING THEM AID AND LET THEM TRY TO FLEX THEIR NUTS. North Korea mounting any sort of real attack is a suicide attack and they will be wiped out before they can do anything besides launch some shells at Seoul. Bad shit happens, the world isn't all fucking sunshine and rainbow icecream pops.

What you're advocating, supporting your enemy, is incomprehensibly stupid.

Bad shit does happen, yes. You are encouraging bad shit to happen with no commensurate gain on our part. It's bad policy, and it will be ignored by all people with actual power. You can rant all you want on the internet, but in reality where grownups make policy, they will do the smart and responsible thing.

 

[fskimospy]

Is eskimospy really apologizing for aid the UN gives to North Korea? Guess it takes all kinds...

I'm directly stating that it is a vastly superior policy to anything people on this board have advocated as an alternative. The solutions presented on here are batshit insane, and they are either the product of teenagers who don't know what the real world is, vastly ignorant adults, or people who are mentally ill.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

By that you must mean empty Americas bank account.

Its already empty

*bada bing* =D

 

[nick1985]

I'm directly stating that it is a vastly superior policy to anything people on this board have advocated as an alternative. The solutions presented on here are batshit insane, and they are either the product of teenagers who don't know what the real world is, vastly ignorant adults, or people who are mentally ill.

We dont give them a penny.

Best solution yet.

 

[fskimospy]

We dont give them a penny.

Best solution yet.

Nope. Stupid, childish, irresponsible solution that would weaken America's strategic position, likely increase military expenditures in the region, and damage alliances, all to save an insignificant amount of money from an American budgetary perspective.

Stupid all around.

 

[Amused]

Nope. Stupid, childish, irresponsible solution that would weaken America's strategic position, likely increase military expenditures in the region, and damage alliances, all to save an insignificant amount of money from an American budgetary perspective.

Stupid all around.

Yeah! And while we're at it we should let them have Czechoslovakia.

That's always worked in the past too... right?

 

[epidemis]

Yeah! And while we're at it we should let them have Czechoslovakia.

That's always worked in the past too... right?

Czechoslovakia didn't exist at that point in time! fool!

 

[Zebo]

Eskimo is making me think Iran needs to be done yesterday so we don't find ourselves held hostage there too.

No more Mr. Nice guy either. Destroy shit and leave. Rinse and repeat as necessary,

 

[nick1985]

Nope. Stupid, childish, irresponsible solution that would weaken America's strategic position, likely increase military expenditures in the region, and damage alliances, all to save an insignificant amount of money from an American budgetary perspective.

Stupid all around.

Uh huh. Because giving them money is working so well. Your argument makes about as much sense as tits on a bull. Stupid. Childish.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah! And while we're at it we should let them have Czechoslovakia.

That's always worked in the past too... right?

Comparing the position of North Korea in 2010 to Germany in 1938 is really really stupid. If you wish to meet every provocation of another nation with war, that's fine. We will be fighting wars nonstop for the rest of your life, however, and the costs of this will eventually overwhelm us.

People who aren't insane however, will tailor their response to the relative costs and gains in each situation. This is why you will never see any person in charge of a major nation ever follow the path that you suggest, at least not for long.

I mean seriously, did you ever stop to wonder why no country behaves as you want us to? Did that clue you in to the fact that it might be because your ideas are horrible?

 

[fskimospy]

Eskimo is making me think Iran needs to be done yesterday so we don't find ourselves held hostage there too.

No more Mr. Nice guy either. Destroy shit and leave. Rinse and repeat as necessary,

Why stop there? Syria also behaves belligerently towards us. Lets invade them too. Yemen has been the source of quite a few terrorists recently. Invasion number 3! China is currently attempting to undercut our interests in Southeast Asia, manipulates their currency to attack our economy, and is clearly building up their military forces to eventually rival the US, lets attack them now to prevent this!

Did I miss anyone else we should put on the invasion list?

Remember guys, CUT SPENDING ON DOMESTIC PROGRAMS OR THE US IS SCREWED.

Also, INVADE EVERY COUNTRY THAT LOOKS AT US CROSS-EYED AT THE COST OF BILLIONS OR TRILLIONS.