Ultimate fighter vs. Navy Seal- who wins?

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: lyssword
OK lets clear something up. Elite MMA fighter faced BEST IN TEH FUCKING world. PROVEN FUCKING EXPERIENCE performs under pressure consistently. Not theory. Proven 30 wins against BEST and consistently beating them. Fuck crav maga, real hands on experience always wins. Show me an mma match where "crav maga" guy can do shit, not to mention it's poor man's juijitsu anyways.. A boxer with 1 year experience will rape "Kata Karate" or kung fu or any other non-contact sport. You just don't learn how to fight by doing theoretical training.

I don't claim I can beat either mma or seal guy. But I place my bets on MMA elite and I've given my reasons.

you are correct a Krav Maga fighter would loose in UFC badly, that's because 95% of what they're taught isn't allowed in the octagon. UFC & the Athletic Commission frown upon what they do. Ripping off a dudes nutts, eye gouging and small joint manipulation to name a few things are against the unified MMA rules in the US. Even in something like Rio Heroes which is much more brutal when it comes to what's allowed, pure Krav Maga wouldn't be allowed. Nobody in UFC trains to inflict instant near fatal damage, as they train to fight in a cage where there are rules. Krav Maga dudes don't train to fight for fun, it's life or death.

As for you saying people who train in a disipline that's mostly non-contact wouldn't do well in MMA. Look at Machida, he's almost all Karate and still manages to whoop ass.

BJJ isn't the end all be all of fight, it works extremly well in MMA because of submission, but in an all out street brawl going for an arm bar won't mean much when the dude your fighting is trying to snap your fingers off.

In a Street Fight, 8/10 I'd put my money on a Krav maga dude, the other 2 times a BJJ practitioner would be able to sink in a RNC put the guy to sleep.

I would like to know how Krav maga dude would rip nuts off lying on the floor knocked out and all. Try going for nuts.. rofl easy KO..especially if mma dude knows that opponent doesn't know shit bout boxing or kickboxing..

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Top Navy Seal because he probably has all the training of the ultimate fighter, and then some.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
Ultimate fighter. Sure, the SEAL trains for a lot of different situations, but the ultimate fighter's specialized craft is beating the living daylights out of people. What *fighting* training advantage will the SEAL have over the fighter in a street fight?

You don't watch UFC, do you?

You do know that most of those people on ultimate fighter have martial arts backgrounds. You think Seals don't have similar backgrounds?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

I got it.
If you gave a UFC guy a knife and the seal had no knife. The seal would end up killing the fighter with the knife. Knowing this, how could the fighter win with no knife?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Top Greco Roman Wrestler in the US vs Top UFC guy. I bet you any money that the wrestler turns the fighter into a pretzel.

 

[krunchykrome]

MMA fighter, no question about it

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
MMA fighter easily. Seals aren't trained as extensively in hand-to-hand combat as a MMA fighter nor do they practice this craft as extensively as a MMA fighter.

:laugh:

Seal kills MMA poser in 60 seconds or less. We will never see this fight, the Seal will just leave the body to be found later......

Some of you kids need to turn off the damn TV.

Or you should realize that a Seal spends a whole lot more time training with weapons and tactics than hand-to-hand combat. I would bet that 1% of them ever use hand-to-hand combat in missions.

You should spend less time watching tv and doing a little research.

Where are you getting these stats from?

Why would the goverment spend all that time and money to train these guys just to see them get whipped in a street fight by some average joe with a couple of martial arts classes in his background.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
MMA fighter easily. Seals aren't trained as extensively in hand-to-hand combat as a MMA fighter nor do they practice this craft as extensively as a MMA fighter.

:laugh:

Seal kills MMA poser in 60 seconds or less. We will never see this fight, the Seal will just leave the body to be found later......

Some of you kids need to turn off the damn TV.

Or you should realize that a Seal spends a whole lot more time training with weapons and tactics than hand-to-hand combat. I would bet that 1% of them ever use hand-to-hand combat in missions.

You should spend less time watching tv and doing a little research.

Where are you getting these stats from?

Why would the goverment spend all that time and money to train these guys just to see them get whipped in a street fight by some average joe with a couple of martial arts classes in his background.

Average joe? Elite MMA fighters have a lot more training in hand-to-hand combat than the average joe and navy seal.

 

[jjanders]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Top Greco Roman Wrestler in the US vs Top UFC guy. I bet you any money that the wrestler turns the fighter into a pretzel.

There are top Greco wrestlers in the UFC. Couture, Lindland, Henderson, etc... all were at or near Olympic level. There is also Olympic level judoka (Yoshida).

All have faired pretty well in MMA since Greco/wrestling is a good base for MMA. However, all were pretty mediocre when they first started and ALL they had was the wrestling and hadn't gained the other skills necessary to be successful in MMA.

 

[Lash444]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
MMA fighter easily. Seals aren't trained as extensively in hand-to-hand combat as a MMA fighter nor do they practice this craft as extensively as a MMA fighter.

:laugh:

Seal kills MMA poser in 60 seconds or less. We will never see this fight, the Seal will just leave the body to be found later......

Some of you kids need to turn off the damn TV.

Or you should realize that a Seal spends a whole lot more time training with weapons and tactics than hand-to-hand combat. I would bet that 1% of them ever use hand-to-hand combat in missions.

You should spend less time watching tv and doing a little research.

Where are you getting these stats from?

Why would the goverment spend all that time and money to train these guys just to see them get whipped in a street fight by some average joe with a couple of martial arts classes in his background.

Lets take the inverse of what he said. You think that Seals spend more time training with hand-to-hand than they do with weapons and tactics? Id also be willing to bet that less than 1% of them use hand-to-hand fighting on missions. When is a Navy Seal going to be 1vs1 with anyone? When aren't they going to have a knife on them? When are they not going to have a partner backing them up?

Are they trained in hand-to-hand combat? Of course. Is a fighter pilot trained in hand-to-hand combat? I'm sure he is. Would I want either of them going hand-to-hand against the enemy? No, not unless something went absolutely and completely wrong. Do you believe that its tactically smart to engage the enemy 1on1 with your fists? Whys it so hard to believe that less than 1% would probably do so then?

 

[RichardE]

87.5% of the stats in this thread have been pulled fresh out of someones ass

True story

 

[Lash444]

Originally posted by: RichardE
87.5% of the stats in this thread have been pulled fresh out of someones ass

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95% of your posts comprise 5% of the trolling on this board.

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[tfcmasta97]

have you not seen GSP fight? if he had killing intent, he'd destroy anyone 1v1. an unarmed seal still goes down when you put a leg through their fucking body

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Lash444

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
MMA fighter easily. Seals aren't trained as extensively in hand-to-hand combat as a MMA fighter nor do they practice this craft as extensively as a MMA fighter.

:laugh:

Seal kills MMA poser in 60 seconds or less. We will never see this fight, the Seal will just leave the body to be found later......

Some of you kids need to turn off the damn TV.

Or you should realize that a Seal spends a whole lot more time training with weapons and tactics than hand-to-hand combat. I would bet that 1% of them ever use hand-to-hand combat in missions.

You should spend less time watching tv and doing a little research.

Where are you getting these stats from?

Why would the goverment spend all that time and money to train these guys just to see them get whipped in a street fight by some average joe with a couple of martial arts classes in his background.

Lets take the inverse of what he said. You think that Seals spend more time training with hand-to-hand than they do with weapons and tactics? Id also be willing to bet that less than 1% of them use hand-to-hand fighting on missions. When is a Navy Seal going to be 1vs1 with anyone? When aren't they going to have a knife on them? When are they not going to have a partner backing them up?

Are they trained in hand-to-hand combat? Of course. Is a fighter pilot trained in hand-to-hand combat? I'm sure he is. Would I want either of them going hand-to-hand against the enemy? No, not unless something went absolutely and completely wrong. Do you believe that its tactically smart to engage the enemy 1on1 with your fists? Whys it so hard to believe that less than 1% would probably do so then?

Military individuals are trained to use more than their fists. Especially special operations units. They use their mind and body to overpower anyone who poses a threat. Yes, a SEAL is trained predominantly how to overpower using stealth, but stealth can fail and I can bet quite a few have had to kill with their hands to regain the surprise element.

The only thing those with superior training in martial arts have over a SEAL is better defense against body strikes. A SEAL knows many strike points that'll bring a man down, and as soon as a SEAL has a man on the ground, it's game over. He's going to most likely play mind games if he senses a trained opponent.

But all this arguing is pathetic and pointless. We'll never know how it'll end up, there's no benchmark for deciding the true end result, so why argue? This thread will go on for many more pages of repeated points as to why a certain side is better at fights to the death than the other.
Everyone here seems to glamorize fighting, especially a fight to the death, and some seem to idolize martial artists as the be all end all of fighters. Hate to break it to you, but the reason they train in numbers is because they will fail. All fighters, of all training styles, will fail, while others of the same background may reign supreme. How long someone constantly trains is far from a benchmark as to their ability to kill a man, because the only thing that makes killing easier is to have killed before. It provides a level of desensitization. How one reacts to that desensitization is going to be important as well.

Someone who has killed before may go into a fight headstrong. Someone who has not killed before, may go into a fight with a position of strong defense. Or maybe not. Maybe a born fighter, though never having killed a man, may be overly headstrong about his abilities, and a well-trained SEAL may play headgames and fool the opponent in many ways, one way could be to change roles of offensive/defensive strike positions. Let the opponent get cocky, and go for a kill strike or a disablement strike that leads the opponent to the ground.
Martial artists know those strikes, and so does a SEAL. What strikes they know, and what ones they use, is partially determined by their mindset prior to and during a fight. Without having an example to predict or review, it's utterly worthless to state one side or the other is the victor in every match.
With that in mind, I still say the SEAL. Nerves of steel are important, as its ultimately the SEAL's environment: death. How many times he has had to kill before using his hands is not even important. He mindset is that he can and will walk away from the fight, and has no reservations about killing, at least if he is battle-proven. You could have a new recruit SEAL just out of BUD/S, but that's just not as fun in this equation, unless he was Special Forces in the US Army for 15 years prior. Then it could be even better.

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[lyssword]

One thing missing from equation: KO and Choke. Once MMA fighter KO's the SEAL all his tactics are worthless. The only reason mma fighters don't kill is because they are stopped very quickly by referees. All they have to do is hold on to that rear naked choke for 2 minutes instead of 10 seconds and SEAL would die.. Why don't MMA fighters break arms (armbar) in fights? because they don't have to. They very easily could.

Mindgames? I'm pretty sure most elite MMA fighters know about mind games..

On the other hand, MMA fighters are not trained against a swift kick to the nuts, but they would likely see it coming and defend it

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Lash444

Originally posted by: RichardE
87.5% of the stats in this thread have been pulled fresh out of someones ass

True story

95% of your posts comprise 5% of the trolling on this board.

True Story

Not doing too bad than :beer:

*edit* just realized who this was..Mr (or Mrs?) pull statistics out of my ass him/herself :beer:

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: lyssword
One thing missing from equation: KO and Choke. Once MMA fighter KO's the SEAL all his tactics are worthless. The only reason mma fighters don't kill is because they are stopped very quickly by referees. All they have to do is hold on to that rear naked choke for 2 minutes instead of 10 seconds and SEAL would die.. Why don't MMA fighters break arms (armbar) in fights? because they don't have to. They very easily could.

Mindgames? I'm pretty sure most elite MMA fighters know about mind games..

On the other hand, MMA fighters are not trained against a swift kick to the nuts, but they would likely see it coming and defend it

And how is this any different when a SEAL KO's a MMA fighter? Or if a SEAL places a MMA fighter in a choke hold? It's not like either of these fighters have some mystical and magical force that's preventing them from doing any of this.

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: lyssword
One thing missing from equation: KO and Choke. Once MMA fighter KO's the SEAL all his tactics are worthless. The only reason mma fighters don't kill is because they are stopped very quickly by referees. All they have to do is hold on to that rear naked choke for 2 minutes instead of 10 seconds and SEAL would die.. Why don't MMA fighters break arms (armbar) in fights? because they don't have to. They very easily could.

Mindgames? I'm pretty sure most elite MMA fighters know about mind games..

On the other hand, MMA fighters are not trained against a swift kick to the nuts, but they would likely see it coming and defend it

And how is this any different when a SEAL KO's a MMA fighter? Or if a SEAL places a MMA fighter in a choke hold? It's not like either of these fighters have some mystical and magical force that's preventing them from doing any of this.

I think people believe that SEALS are the one's that are mystical, inhuman etc.. Krav maga some magical art that absolutely destroys anything that comes close. :roll:

 

[Gibson486]

i don't know, but i vote navy seal.


BTW....are navy seal trained the same way as Jason Bourne?

 

[Lash444]

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: lyssword
One thing missing from equation: KO and Choke. Once MMA fighter KO's the SEAL all his tactics are worthless. The only reason mma fighters don't kill is because they are stopped very quickly by referees. All they have to do is hold on to that rear naked choke for 2 minutes instead of 10 seconds and SEAL would die.. Why don't MMA fighters break arms (armbar) in fights? because they don't have to. They very easily could.

Mindgames? I'm pretty sure most elite MMA fighters know about mind games..

On the other hand, MMA fighters are not trained against a swift kick to the nuts, but they would likely see it coming and defend it

And how is this any different when a SEAL KO's a MMA fighter? Or if a SEAL places a MMA fighter in a choke hold? It's not like either of these fighters have some mystical and magical force that's preventing them from doing any of this.

Thats the whole point of the thread. Forget the "once X gets Y down, its game over instantly". Who has more training in hand-to-hand combat? Who is more experienced with chokes, and knock out strikes? If you through out the mystical and magical points what does a SEAL have over an MMA fighter in a hand-to-hand combat role? The only answer the SEAL supporters come back with is that they have killed before. If you had an armbar or a choke on a man who was trying to kill you, would you let go? If there wasn't a referee in a cage match, who knows how long chokes would last for, or how long a guy would hold an armbar while someone was trying to tap out.

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: lyssword
One thing missing from equation: KO and Choke. Once MMA fighter KO's the SEAL all his tactics are worthless. The only reason mma fighters don't kill is because they are stopped very quickly by referees. All they have to do is hold on to that rear naked choke for 2 minutes instead of 10 seconds and SEAL would die.. Why don't MMA fighters break arms (armbar) in fights? because they don't have to. They very easily could.

Mindgames? I'm pretty sure most elite MMA fighters know about mind games..

On the other hand, MMA fighters are not trained against a swift kick to the nuts, but they would likely see it coming and defend it

And how is this any different when a SEAL KO's a MMA fighter? Or if a SEAL places a MMA fighter in a choke hold? It's not like either of these fighters have some mystical and magical force that's preventing them from doing any of this.

I think people believe that SEALS are the one's that are mystical, inhuman etc.. Krav maga some magical art that absolutely destroys anything that comes close. :roll:

Nobody claims Seals do magic, but a trained and experienced killer ain't gonna be an easy target.

 

[dainthomas]

The SEAL would run until he found a weapon like a broken bottle, metal rod or something. Then he would kill the MMA guy in about a second and a half. Alternatively he could run to the nearest lake/river and just drown the guy.

 

[Lash444]

Originally posted by: dainthomas
The SEAL would run until he found a weapon like a broken bottle, metal rod or something. Then he would kill the MMA guy in about a second and a half. Alternatively he could run to the nearest lake/river and just drown the guy.

Dont forget the part where he sprouts wings and flies away.

 

[Genx87]

Not sure who would win the majority of contests. All I know if for the most part Ill toss it down with anybody. But if I found out either were a MMA fighter or Seal. They will have to catch me as I run like a girl.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Lash444

Originally posted by: dainthomas
The SEAL would run until he found a weapon like a broken bottle, metal rod or something. Then he would kill the MMA guy in about a second and a half. Alternatively he could run to the nearest lake/river and just drown the guy.

Dont forget the part where he sprouts wings and flies away.

huh?