UK Underage Sex Ring Sparks Racial Tensions

[SagaLore]

OK, for those that aren't clear the thread is about non muslim girls being targeted by muslim men and forced to have sex and how this is the result of multiculturalism and the left/media along with many muslims refuse to condemn this

From your article:

The Rochdale men do not fit the classic profile for sex offenders in Britain -- the majority of pedophilia crimes are committed by white men who target boys and girls via the Internet. However, there is a consensus among prosecutors, police, social workers and leading national politicians that "street grooming," which happened in Rochdale, is largely dominated by Asian men.

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The May verdict further polarized Rochdale. Pakistanis were horrified at the stigma on their community and enraged that the men claimed to be Muslim.
"They are playing the Muslim card, pretending they are good Muslims, but they are not," says Irfan Chishti, who runs an educational program at one of the town's mosques. "This was a great sin under Islam. If Sharia law was in place, the punishment would be very severe."

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[Incorruptible]

Why aren't they making sex slaves out of young Muslim women? Or would their brothers have to kill them?

In there law if the woman has sex or is raped she must be killed because she isn't pure and brings shame to the family. The reason they dont do it to muslims is because they hate non muslims and feel they are superior

 

[alzan]

Why aren't they making sex slaves out of young Muslim women? Or would their brothers have to kill them?

I don't see a whole lot of difference between a Muslim woman who's been raped and one who is a sex slave; both would be shunned by their family and community, and likely both would be marked for honor killing and or public stoning.

In there law if the woman has sex or is raped she must be killed because she isn't pure and brings shame to the family. The reason they dont do it to muslims is because they hate non muslims and feel they are superior

Members of the majority of organized religions feel they are superior to other religions; it's largely a low self esteem issue on a communal level.

 

[Incorruptible]

I don't see a whole lot of difference between a Muslim woman who's been raped and one who is a sex slave; both would be shunned by their family and community, and likely both would be marked for honor killing and or public stoning.



Members of the majority of organized religions feel they are superior to other religions; it's largely a low self esteem issue on a communal level.

Thats not exactly true and you forget to mention how these guys want to kill everyone who isn't one of them

 

[Carfax83]

And the catholic church has an embarrassing history of hiding sexual abuse I children and inaction against the perpetrators. How many priests have gotten away with the abuse of children over the years with the church doing nothing?

Stop with the false equivocacy. We all know the Catholic Church has been directly responsible for horrendous deeds and atrocities throughout history.

However, the tenets of Christianity do not endorse such behaviour. Thats where the distinction lies between Islam and Christianity.

Islam ENDORSES pedophilia, because their prophet married a 6 year old girl. How many times must I say this before it sinks in? 🙄

 

[Carfax83]

The Ayatollah Khomeini does not represent all of the Muslims in the world. Also, if you and Incorruptible are so aghast at this practice, perhaps you should both go to Saudi Arabia and walk through Muslim neighborhoods and shout in unison about how evil Muslims are. Be sure and get back to us on how that worked out for you.

I've already been to that shit hole country twice, there's no way I'm going back..

 

[Carfax83]

This isn't a thread about Islam versus Christianity.

You can thank Darwin333 and MomentsofSanity for bringing Christianity into this discussion.

Also, Islam is part of this discussion whether you like it or not because Islam endorses pedophilia and rape..

 

[mikeymikec]

Do you agree?

"Fox" delivering "news"? No.

 

[mikeymikec]

Yes, this isn't an isolated case. Multiculturalism has done more harm than good, just look at all the trouble in Europe with radical islam taking over. It brings in ethnic ghettos, PC, as well the taking over of society

Xenophobia has caused a heck of a lot of problems also. Kill the natives!

 

[Carfax83]

By the way, in the Prophet Muhammad's time people didn't live as long as we do now. I believe average lifetime in the 7th century was ~35 years. Girls were married early in order to have a better chance of producing families; I don't think there's any data from 1300 years ago but I'm guessing infant mortality rates were quite high.

So whats the Saudis' excuse for allowing 8 year old girls to marry 50 year old men in 2012, since you're so keen on defending them?

What we call pedophilia was simply family planning 1300 years ago. How old were girls when they got married in the 1500's? Still pretty young (by our standards).

I'm pretty sure no Western civilization would have allowed a 6 year old girl to be married, even 1300 years ago.

Pregnancy would wreak absolute havoc on the body of any girl below the age of 12, and even at age 12 or 13, their bodies still aren't fully capable of properly carrying a child.

A woman's body doesn't fully mature until she's 18 or 19.

 

[alzan]

Thats not exactly true and you forget to mention how these guys want to kill everyone who isn't one of them

A very small percentage of the total amount of Muslims are extremist. And if you checked with actual Muslim scholars they would call the extremists not true Muslims because the Quran doesn't encourage the killing of non-Muslims.

What isn't exactly true?

P.S. Notice how once again you've derailed your own thread.

 

[a777pilot]

Ah, the peace loving and wonder religion of islam......


ROTFLMAO!

 

[a777pilot]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

 

[sygyzy]

It sounds like OP's title should be changed to

Incorruptible Sparks Racial Tensions

Seriously. What is this guy still doing there? He has a right to his opinions but surely this forum can't be the most hospitable. Aren't there hordes of messages boards that cater to bigots? I don't know of any, but I bet if I go to the AR-15 or some military forum I can find links, pretty easily.

Or, maybe I am looking at it the wrong way. Maybe the fact that he sticks around shows exactly how bad ATOT has gotten, that he feels at home here.

 

[alzan]

So whats the Saudis' excuse for allowing 8 year old girls to marry 50 year old men in 2012, since you're so keen on defending them?



I'm pretty sure no Western civilization would have allowed a 6 year old girl to be married, even 1300 years ago.

Pregnancy would wreak absolute havoc on the body of any girl below the age of 12, and even at age 12 or 13, their bodies still aren't fully capable of properly carrying a child.

A woman's body doesn't fully mature until she's 18 or 19.

Not defending them since I happen to like my women the same age or a little older then myself, just trying to educate you and a few others.

Marrying a young girl is quite a bit different then consummating the marriage, wouldn't you agree?

So what is it? First it's eight years old, now it's six? I really wish you'd make up your mind. You should also study more history.

Actually pregnancy can occur before or after puberty, Wikipedia has some informative pages, List of Youngest Mothers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers; quite a few listings for under the age of 12 and quite a few for western civilizations. As well these are just the pregnancies reported.

Another page is Teenage Pregnancy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pregnancy, with good resources at the bottom of the pages. You could also talk to an OB-GYN.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Seriously. What is this guy still doing there? He has a right to his opinions but surely this forum can't be the most hospitable. Aren't there hordes of messages boards that cater to bigots? I don't know of any, but I bet if I go to the AR-15 or some military forum I can find links, pretty easily.

Or, maybe I am looking at it the wrong way. Maybe the fact that he sticks around shows exactly how bad ATOT has gotten, that he feels at home here.

Because he is like most P&N trolls. He has managed to walk a fine enough line to not anger the mods, but manages to piss off most of the regular posters.
I simply choose to troll the troll, and I encourage others to do the same.

 

[alzan]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

So is that a site that's setup and maintained by Muslim scholars who know what's actually in the Quran or some American who "thinks" he knows what's in the Quran?

Just curious.

Edit: After seeing the banner at the top of their home page, I've concluded that the site is definitely the latter of the two options.

 

[Carfax83]

Marrying a young girl is quite a bit different then consummating the marriage, wouldn't you agree?

It's different, but it's still despicable. No 6yr old girl has any business getting married......especially to some old wrinkly fuck.

So what is it? First it's eight years old, now it's six? I really wish you'd make up your mind. You should also study more history.

I thought I was quite clear. The prophet muhammad married Ayisha when she was 6, and consummated when she was 9.

In modern day Saudi Arabia, girls as young as 8 years old can be married. There may even be cases of girls younger than 8 being married, but I do know of a confirmed case where a girl of 8 was to be married. I think the courts stopped it though, due to international outrage.

Actually pregnancy can occur before or after puberty, Wikipedia has some informative pages, List of Youngest Mothers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers; quite a few listings for under the age of 12 and quite a few for western civilizations. As well these are just the pregnancies reported.

If you read what I said, I did not say pregnancy couldn't occur before puberty. I said it would wreak havoc on the body of a girl that young. Thats why civilized cultures do not allow marriage at such a young age.

Child pregnancies are practically horror stories if you ever read about them, because the pelvis isn't fully widened at that age, and the risk of death to both the mother and the baby is drastically elevated.

Labor can take days, and if the girl does survive, she may develop fistulas, which are holes between the vaginal wall and the rectum or bladder. When the baby's head pushes down and gets stuck, it can cut portions of the mother's soft tissue between its skull and her pelvic bones. As a result, the tissue dies, and a hole forms. Feces and urine then leak through the hole and out of the vagina.

Child marriage is an abomination. There is nothing more to be said.

 

[Incorruptible]

So whats the Saudis' excuse for allowing 8 year old girls to marry 50 year old men in 2012, since you're so keen on defending them?



I'm pretty sure no Western civilization would have allowed a 6 year old girl to be married, even 1300 years ago.

Pregnancy would wreak absolute havoc on the body of any girl below the age of 12, and even at age 12 or 13, their bodies still aren't fully capable of properly carrying a child.

A woman's body doesn't fully mature until she's 18 or 19.

Well said, there is no possible way to defend or legitimize this practice, it is wrong

 

[alzan]

It's different, but it's still despicable. No 6yr old girl has any business getting married......especially to some old wrinkly fuck.



I thought I was quite clear. The prophet muhammad married Ayisha when she was 6, and consummated when she was 9.

In modern day Saudi Arabia, girls as young as 8 years old can be married. There may even be cases of girls younger than 8 being married, but I do know of a confirmed case where a girl of 8 was to be married. I think the courts stopped it though, due to international outrage.



If you read what I said, I did not say pregnancy couldn't occur before puberty. I said it would wreak havoc on the body of a girl that young. Thats why civilized cultures do not allow marriage at such a young age.

Child pregnancies are practically horror stories if you ever read about them, because the pelvis isn't fully widened at that age, and the risk of death to both the mother and the baby is drastically elevated.

Labor can take days, and if the girl does survive, she may develop fistulas, which are holes between the vaginal wall and the rectum or bladder. When the baby's head pushes down and gets stuck, it can cut portions of the mother's soft tissue between its skull and her pelvic bones. As a result, the tissue dies, and a hole forms. Feces and urine then leak through the hole and out of the vagina.

Child marriage is an abomination. There is nothing more to be said.

Unfortunately the link I provided doesn't actually bring up the list of youngest mothers, the list is available as a hyperlink off of Wiki's Teen Pregnancy page.

Good thing most/all the infants are born via C-section. I'm sure they are horror stories; although childbirth itself isn't all roses and wine after puberty, or even after the age of 21. More horrible and horrific then the pregnancy and subsequent births are the circumstances which produced it. I was providing facts, normally something that's sorely lacking in typical ATPN posts/threads.

The median age where female internal structures are ready for normal pregnancy/childbirth aside, the fact is pregnancy and childbirth happen (albeit rare) well before 18-19 years of age. Women in their late 20's early 30's often have complications.

I think it an abomination as well, though I'd be interested to know how often it happens; I would think it would be quite rare even among Muslims.

There's actually a lot more to be said, you can choose to participate in the discussion or not.

 

[Incorruptible]

Seriously. What is this guy still doing there? He has a right to his opinions but surely this forum can't be the most hospitable. Aren't there hordes of messages boards that cater to bigots? I don't know of any, but I bet if I go to the AR-15 or some military forum I can find links, pretty easily.

Or, maybe I am looking at it the wrong way. Maybe the fact that he sticks around shows exactly how bad ATOT has gotten, that he feels at home here.

Everyone has freedom of speech, there will be people with views you dont agree with and you can either ignore them or debate them.

I am not a bigot, I am afraid of radical islam and creeping sharia law, its slowly happening in the US and this has me worried for my safety so this is why I always post about it. Since I am not a bigot I would not want to go to one of those sites. I like this site because I can talk politics and its very active. There are many people on this site that support me.

 

[CrackRabbit]

I am not a bigot.

Repeat the lie enough times and it becomes truth. Am I right?

BTW your post is completely contradictory, as well as being a lie.

 

[BladeVenom]

Uh, no. 🙄


That's like saying:

- Some Catholic priests caught being homosexual pedophiles, time to end Catholicism!

- Some companies caught using illegal immigrants for cheap labor, time to end capitalism!

- Some neffers in ATOT caught trolling, time to close all anandtech forums!

Or:

- Some members of Al Qaeda blow up buildings, time to end Al Qaeda!

- Some members of the Taliban plant IEDs, time to end the Taliban!

 

[LumbergTech]

Stop with the false equivocacy. We all know the Catholic Church has been directly responsible for horrendous deeds and atrocities throughout history.

However, the tenets of Christianity do not endorse such behaviour. Thats where the distinction lies between Islam and Christianity.

Islam ENDORSES pedophilia, because their prophet married a 6 year old girl. How many times must I say this before it sinks in? 🙄

Somebody hasn't read the bible apparently..

 

[LumbergTech]

When will this guy be banned? It's an embarrassment to the forum..