Uganda Debates Death Penalty for Gays

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Keep it classy Africa.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579743,00.html?test=latestnews

KAMPALA, Uganda —

Proposed legislation would impose the death penalty for some gay Ugandans, and their family and friends could face up to seven years in jail if they fail to report them to authorities. Even landlords could be imprisoned for renting to homosexuals.


Gay rights activists say the bill, which has prompted growing international opposition, promotes hatred and could set back efforts to combat HIV/AIDS. They believe the bill is part of a continentwide backlash because Africa's gay community is becoming more vocal.

"It's a question of visibility," said David Cato, who became an activist after he was beaten up four times, arrested twice, fired from his teaching job and outed in the press because he is gay. "When we come out and ask for our rights, they pass laws against us."

The legislation has drawn global attention from activists across the spectrum of views on gay issues. The measure was proposed in Uganda following a visit by leaders of U.S. conservative Christian ministries that promote therapy for gays to become heterosexual. However, at least one of those leaders has denounced the bill, as have some other conservative and liberal Christians in the United States.

Gay rights activists say the legislation is likely to pass. But the bill is still being debated and could undergo changes before a vote, which has not yet been set.

The Ugandan legislation in its current form would mandate a death sentence for active homosexuals living with HIV or in cases of same-sex rape. "Serial offenders" also could face capital punishment, but the legislation does not define the term. Anyone convicted of a homosexual act faces life imprisonment.

Anyone who "aids, abets, counsels or procures another to engage of acts of homosexuality" faces seven years in prison if convicted. Landlords who rent rooms or homes to homosexuals also could get seven years and anyone with "religious, political, economic or social authority" who fails to report anyone violating the act faces three years.

Gay rights activists abroad are focusing on the legislation. A protest against the bill is planned for Thursday in London; protests were held last month in New York and Washington.

David Bahati, the legislator sponsoring the bill, said he was encouraging "constructive criticism" to improve the law, but insisted strict measures were necessary to stop homosexuals from "recruiting" schoolchildren.

"The youths in secondary schools copy everything from the Western world and America," said high school teacher David Kisambira. "A good number of students have been converted into gays. We hear there are groups of people given money by some gay organizations in developed countries to recruit youth into gay activities."

Uganda's ethics minister, James Nsaba Buturo, said the death sentence clause would probably be reviewed but maintained the law was necessary to counter foreign influence. He said homosexuality "is not natural in Uganda," a view echoed by some Ugandans.

"I feel that the bill is good and necessary, but I don't think gays should be killed. They should be imprisoned for about a year and warned never to do it again. The family is in danger in Uganda because the rate at which vice is spreading is appalling," said shopkeeper John Muwanguzi.

Uganda is not the only country considering anti-gay laws. Nigeria, where homosexuality is already punishable by imprisonment or death, is considering strengthening penalties for activities deemed to promote it. Burundi just banned same-sex relationships and Rwanda is considering it.

Homophobia is rife even in more tolerant African countries.

In Kenya, homosexuality is illegal but the government has acknowledged its existence by launching a sexual orientation survey to improve health care. Nevertheless, the recent marriage of two Kenyan men in London caused outrage. The men's families in Kenya were harassed by reporters and villagers.

In South Africa, the only African nation to recognize gay marriage, gangs carry out so-called "corrective" rapes on lesbians. A 19-year-old lesbian athlete was gang-raped, tortured and murdered in 2008.

Debate over the Ugandan bill follows a conference in the capital Kampala earlier this year attended by American activists who consider same-gender relationships sinful, and believe gays and lesbians can become heterosexual through prayer and counseling. Author Don Schmierer and "sexual reorientation coach" Caleb Lee Brundidge took part; they did not respond to interview requests.

A third American who took part in the conference in Uganda, Scott Lively, said the bill has gone too far.

"I agree with the general goal but this law is far too harsh," said Lively, a California-based preacher and author of "The Pink Swastika" and other books that advise parents how to "recruit-proof" their children from gays.

"Society should actively discourage all sex outside of marriage and that includes homosexuality ... The family is under threat," he said. Gay people "should not be parading around the streets," he added.

Frank Mugisha, a gay Ugandan human rights activist, said the bill was so poorly worded that someone could be imprisoned for giving a hug.

"This bill is promoting hatred," he said. "We're turning Uganda into a police state. It will drive people to suicide."

Buturo played down the influence of foreign evangelicals, saying the proposed legislation was an expression of popular outrage against "repugnant" practices. But activists like Cato argue anti-gay attitudes are a foreign import.

"In the beginning, when the missionaries brought religion, they said they were bringing love," he said. "Instead they brought hate, through homophobia."

Susan Timberlake, a senior adviser on human rights and law from UNAIDS, said such laws could hinder the fight against HIV/AIDS by driving people further underground. And activists also worry that the legislation could be used to blackmail or silence government critics.

Cato said he thinks the Ugandan bill will pass, perhaps in an altered form.

"It's such a setback. But I hope we can overcome it," he said. "I cannot believe this is happening in the 21st century."
 

Craig234

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I'm sure the dabate there will be as excellent as the debate here by the anti-marriage euality people.

It's just another immoral ressult from the same bigotry. Will bigots here get the point?: Unlikely.
 

Craig234

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It's Africa, who cares? I'm surprised this is even being reported in the US.

When I saw your name, I know I'd see an immoral post in the thread, and I was right. How typical that you have no concept of any morality as a member of the human race.

How about we take the position that if someone wants to come murder you, our position, the police's position, is 'who cares?' You are despicable and immoral.
 

werepossum

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I'm assuming they hate gays because AIDS has made them unsafe to eat?

Idi Amin FTW.
 

Mr. Lennon

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"According to the census of 2002, Christians made up about 84% of Uganda's population. The Roman Catholic Church has the largest number of adherents (41.9%), followed by the Anglican Church of Uganda (35.9%)."


So this is what Christianity and Catholicism is capable of when allowed to operate with no boundaries in a country sorely lacking in human rights.

Fuck religion.
 

Zebo

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It's Africa, who cares? I'm surprised this is even being reported in the US.


Whether you agree with the homosexual lifestyle or not, not caring about people being executed is for it beyond despicable. IMO

If you can't find reason in that how about stopping it so a bunch of blacks don't get assylum here - does that appeal to you?
 

Zebo

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I'm assuming they hate gays because AIDS has made them unsafe to eat?

Idi Amin FTW.

Idi Amin retired and died in Saudi. What's weird is Uganda was getting more liberal and less civil strife until this crap,
 

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"According to the census of 2002, Christians made up about 84% of Uganda's population. The Roman Catholic Church has the largest number of adherents (41.9%), followed by the Anglican Church of Uganda (35.9%)."


So this is what Christianity and Catholicism is capable of when allowed to operate with no boundaries in a country sorely lacking in human rights.

Fuck religion.

We should at least be glad to see Christians and Muslims working together to further a common goal.
 

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"According to the census of 2002, Christians made up about 84% of Uganda's population. The Roman Catholic Church has the largest number of adherents (41.9%), followed by the Anglican Church of Uganda (35.9%)."


So this is what Christianity and Catholicism is capable of when allowed to operate with no boundaries in a country sorely lacking in human rights.

Fuck religion.
You think this is happening because of Christianity? It's happening in spite of it. I imagine many of those claiming to be Christian are quite far from it.
 

Craig234

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You think this is happening because of Christianity? It's happening in spite of it. I imagine many of those claiming to be Christian are quite far from it.

Thank goodness our own radical right-wing evangelicals are are not like that.
 

Ausm

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You think this is happening because of Christianity? It's happening in spite of it. I imagine many of those claiming to be Christian are quite far from it.

Actually it is all about religion read my post above and several links below.
 
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You think this is happening because of Christianity? It's happening in spite of it. I imagine many of those claiming to be Christian are quite far from it.

Are you serious? Is this anti-gay legislation 'in spite of' as well? Poll: Calif. gay marriage ban driven by religion

From the story on the poll...

People who identified themselves as practicing Christians were highly likely to support the constitutional amendment, with 85 percent of evangelical Christians, 66 percent of Protestants and 60 percent of Roman Catholics favoring it.

Nah, no correlation there. ;)
 

Ausm

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I want to watch the videos, thanks for the lkink but don't see them enen thouh the page says they're there.

Video's are embedded on the webpage might have to try a different browser if you can't see them plus I have several more links posted too.
 

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"According to the census of 2002, Christians made up about 84% of Uganda's population. The Roman Catholic Church has the largest number of adherents (41.9%), followed by the Anglican Church of Uganda (35.9%)."


So this is what Christianity and Catholicism is capable of when allowed to operate with no boundaries in a country sorely lacking in human rights.

Fuck religion.

No. The Roman Catholic Church's position on capital punishment for ANY crime is that the practice should be abolished. This has more to do with the phobia of the local culture/society.
 

yllus

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Hopefully, in other news the entire world cuts off any and all aid to Uganda.
 

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No. The Roman Catholic Church's position on capital punishment for ANY crime is that the practice should be abolished. This has more to do with the phobia of the local culture/society.

Do we know what religious leaders in Uganda are saying about this?

Muslims in the US don't kill their wives if they're raped. SOME Muslims in the middle east do. These killings are blamed on Islam by many westerners.

Christians in the US don't execute gays, SOME Christians in Uganda do. These killings are blamed on regional culture.

Be careful what you blame a religion for. People who claim your religion may be doing just the same. Maybe this will help some people understand that these types of things have nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with education and the differing development of areas of the world.
 

Craig234

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Video's are embedded on the webpage might have to try a different browser if you can't see them plus I have several more links posted too.

Stuck onthis PS3 browser, the second set worked, good stuff thanks for posting.

Interesting to see how the US's right-wingers are largely the cause of this bill.

Thank goodness the most evil parts are reportedly out, but it's still a terrible and immoral bill.

Years in prison for not reporting everyone you know who is gay. We shoulld sanction them if they pass this.

Wonder if the right will suggest marketing for this - 'years for queers', ' Don't be gay if you can't pay'
 

Jaskalas

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When I saw your name, I know I'd see an immoral post in the thread, and I was right. How typical that you have no concept of any morality as a member of the human race.

How about we take the position that if someone wants to come murder you, our position, the police's position, is 'who cares?' You are despicable and immoral.

Quick, lets invade Africa and instill your values on them.

Or what else were you suggesting if it's immoral to NOT do something?
 

Ausm

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Stuck onthis PS3 browser, the second set worked, good stuff thanks for posting.

Interesting to see how the US's right-wingers are largely the cause of this bill.

Thank goodness the most evil parts are reportedly out, but it's still a terrible and immoral bill.

Years in prison for not reporting everyone you know who is gay. We shoulld sanction them if they pass this.

Wonder if the right will suggest marketing for this - 'years for queers', ' Don't be gay if you can't pay'

Since most sane people won't buy their bullshit here they have to spew their hate to other gullible audiences.
 
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