UFC 167 Nov 16th PPV 10pm/7pm ET/PT

[Miramonti]

Rogan looks like he too could kick some ass. He pratices BJJ, right?

He's been cleaning himself up lately. He had started to look heavy on the sauce, but he's clearly been working out again.

 

[RagingBITCH]

And "still" the WW champ lol


meh, if the challenger wins, he wins. He shouldn't have to dominate.

I realize the old rule is that the champ never loses by split decision (in boxing) but I just have a tough time believing GSP won 3 of 5 rounds tonight.

Hendricks probably coasted a bit too much over the last 2 rounds but that doesn't mean he lost the fight. Looking at just their faces (and I know that isn't an official criteria), you wouldn't know that GSP won.

He didn't dominate. I'd say he got rounds what, 1 and (I forget which) 4? He was a bit of a sore loser. He was good and took it the distance but at no point did I think he just won it. From the stats alone, significant strikes and takedowns, all those numbers go to GSP.

 

[Childs]

And "still" the WW champ lol


meh, if the challenger wins, he wins. He shouldn't have to dominate.

I realize the old rule is that the champ never loses by split decision (in boxing) but I just have a tough time believing GSP won 3 of 5 rounds tonight.

Hendricks probably coasted a bit too much over the last 2 rounds but that doesn't mean he lost the fight. Looking at just their faces (and I know that isn't an official criteria), you wouldn't know that GSP won.

I think the fact that it was GSP had something to do with it. You can make the same argument in Jones's decision over Gustafsson. Its not like these decisions are based on empirical data, its on perception. I think Hendricks won 3-2, but the judges must have given GSP the benefit of the doubt on one of those rounds because he's GSP. When a round is in doubt, it defaults to GSP. I had Hendricks winning 1, 2, and 4 convincingly.

And if you follow the MMA interviews leading up to the fight, GSP hinted at announcing something like this. Might not have if he lost, but might as well leave on top.

 

[poopaskoopa]

GSP should've lost a point after the fight when his corner guy put him on his shoulders to celebrate. That's got to be one of the most desperate act you can do after a fight.

 

[Miramonti]

agreed he did.

though i gotta say i don't think he actually won the fight. the scoring was close nough to me that if it went either way i wouldn't be s hocked.


i thought gsp won it. BUT i could agree with a decision for hendricks.

Hendricks slowed down too much in the 3rd and 4th (iirc), when rogan was saying he lost the power in his punches. I agree with the amount of punches gsp landed, but hendricks rearranged gsp's face, while hendricks doesn't even look like he fought.

 

[bigrash]

Great fight. I thought Hendricks won it. Even GSP thought so.

 

[manimal]

I think the fact that it was GSP had something to do with it. You can make the same argument in Jones's decision over Gustafsson. Its not like these decisions are based on empirical data, its on perception. I think Hendricks won 3-2, but the judges must have given GSP the benefit of the doubt on one of those rounds because he's GSP. When a round is in doubt, it defaults to GSP. I had Hendricks winning 1, 2, and 4 convincingly.

This and what waggy said. Those two rounds could have gone either way but a long time champion like a star pitcher gets some extra respect from the judges/refs.


Glanced over at sherdog and there is a thread about JH tapping on that armbar. LOL

Was a really good fight and had GSP not gotten that last takedown in the fifth that round would have probably went the other way. Judges score takedowns way too highly in five round fights.

 

[Agent11]

He has the beard though. . .It cushions against abrasions more than you would think, and GSP never really threw elbows at his eye sockets.


First 2 rounds were Hendricks for sure, but GSP was doing better in the last 3 in my opinion.

 

[dennilfloss]

Or if GSP hadn't slipped.

 

[manly]

He didn't dominate. I'd say he got rounds what, 1 and (I forget which) 4? He was a bit of a sore loser. He was good and took it the distance but at no point did I think he just won it. From the stats alone, significant strikes and takedowns, all those numbers go to GSP.

You've forgotten that JH clearly had the best round (2) of the entire fight.

and I ask again why does the challenger have the additional burden of dominating the favored champ? Gustafsson put up a hell of a show and many felt he won it, but Jon Jones gave back plenty too. If that decision was flipped, nobody would have said but AG didn't win every round!

I'm actually a GSP fan but he's been playing it safe for too many years, I was hoping for an entertaining fight and maybe a stoppage tonight but it wasn't meant to be. I agree, it was close and I'd have to watch it again to score round by round.

But like dbk said, it looked like JH sparred for a bit. I agree he should've done more, but if GSP won just by scoring a few more points here and there on jabs, that's pretty unfulfilling.

 

[waggy]

Hendricks slowed down too much in the 3rd and 4th (iirc), when rogan was saying he lost the power in his punches. I agree with the amount of punches gsp landed, but hendricks rearranged gsp's face, while hendricks doesn't even look like he fought.

yeah hendricks did more in the early rounds. that's where he fucked up GSP's face (even GSP admitted to that).

the 2-3 is where GSP took control and made sure to win it. did he fuck hendricks up? not at all. but he won the fight.

though i admit hendricks did far better in the 3-5th then i thought he would.

not that it matters. it seems GSP is retiring for a while..

 

[dennilfloss]

 

[manimal]

yeah hendricks did more in the early rounds. that's where he fucked up GSP's face (even GSP admitted to that).

the 2-3 is where GSP took control and made sure to win it. did he fuck hendricks up? not at all. but he won the fight.

though i admit hendricks did far better in the 3-5th then i thought he would.

not that it matters. it seems GSP is retiring for a while..

takes a long time to recover from a fight like this for gsp. He knows his age. If I were him retiring on top sounds pretty good. If he has any damage to the eye or bone its a one year layoff probably.

 

[Agent11]

I would really like to see a rematch, I hope he isn't gone long.

 

[Childs]

Thats interesting...I didnt think the first round would be in dispute. The second was the round where I could see it going one way or the other. GSPs jabs vs Hendricks more effective strikes. Maybe it was the takedown in the 1st, although I thought Hendricks also got one in that round.

 

[WiseUp216]

What a fucking joke last night.

So much for a dominating victory by GSP that some of you guys were so sure of. He got his brains scrambled and couldn't even remember the fight.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/11/...core-controversial-georges-st-pierre-vs-johny

 

[Wingznut]

GSP vs JH: Another one of those fights where it could've gone either way. I understand the problem that some have with the decision, as JH obviously did the most damage. And if the fight was scored as a whole (and not a 10 Point Must system), there'd be no question that JH won... But that's now how the scoring works.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Wow 2 of the judges gave round 1 to gsp? Anyway, I like what some of the other fighters are saying. One mentioned this type of decision is how you can kill a sport. I agree. I was already starting to watch less and less and decisions like this just help make me care less and less.

 

[Wingznut]

Thats interesting...I didnt think the first round would be in dispute. The second was the round where I could see it going one way or the other. GSPs jabs vs Hendricks more effective strikes. Maybe it was the takedown in the 1st, although I thought Hendricks also got one in that round.

Yeah, I was surprised, too. I just re-watched the first round, and I thought JH clearly won it. He outstruck GSP, his strikes were more damaging, they both got one takedown (and neither were able to do anything with it.)

 

[waggy]

GSP vs JH: Another one of those fights where it could've gone either way. I understand the problem that some have with the decision, as JH obviously did the most damage. And if the fight was scored as a whole (and not a 10 Point Must system), there'd be no question that JH won... But that's now how the scoring works.

yeah. the 10 point must scoring has to go. As GSP has been saying with the breaks and 10 pt must you can take a losing fighter and give them time to recover and improve.

you just gotta win a round not the fight.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Terrible decision by Zuffa to give this fight to GSP. MMA is nothing more than boxing these days. Las Vegas has tainted the sport just like they did boxing. I like GSP, he is the ultimate champion. Gsp was the modern day Frank Dux (movie bloodsport was made about him) reincarnated. GSP lost this fight though. He landed no significant strikes and was mostly manhandled on the ground except for the fifth round.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Wow 2 of the judges gave round 1 to gsp? Anyway, I like what some of the other fighters are saying. One mentioned this type of decision is how you can kill a sport. I agree. I was already starting to watch less and less and decisions like this just help make me care less and less.

This. Watching the fights are almost pointless these days unless the fighters can finish it. When it goes to decision it's anybodies guess who Zuffa will decide to win.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

He has the beard though. . .It cushions against abrasions more than you would think, and GSP never really threw elbows at his eye sockets.


First 2 rounds were Hendricks for sure, but GSP was doing better in the last 3 in my opinion.

GSP lost round 4. Watch it again. And those 2 rounds gsp "won" were by him throwing soft punches and kicks and dancing around. If you count those as much as the first 2 rounds were GSP was on wobbly wheels and trying to stay conscious then you're a fool.

 

[waggy]

This. Watching the fights are almost pointless these days unless the fighters can finish it. When it goes to decision it's anybodies guess who Zuffa will decide to win.

Zuffa had nothing to do with the decision. that is the judging body.

They need to really do a good training program for the judges. Maybe some rule changes are in place too.

 

[JEDI]

Terrible decision by Zuffa to give this fight to GSP. MMA is nothing more than boxing these days. Las Vegas has tainted the sport just like they did boxing. I like GSP, he is the ultimate champion. Gsp was the modern day Frank Dux (movie bloodsport was made about him) reincarnated. GSP lost this fight though. He landed no significant strikes and was mostly manhandled on the ground except for the fifth round.

psst...

Spoiler

zuffa has nothing to do w/the judges.
the judges are employees of the state gaming cmmossion