UFC 167 Nov 16th PPV 10pm/7pm ET/PT

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Is all this outcry because it's GSP or just shitty judging? I remember less outcry over The Mauler vs Jones outcome, and Dana never made a rematch! That was a robbery, but, like I said, no rematch granted. GSP wins a narrow one and all the keyboard warriors are up in arms about robbery and Dana wants a rematch right away. Makes no sense to me.

Actually GSP is one of if not the most liked guy in MMA. I like him and think he was a great champion before his loss of the belt. I like how he presented himself as nothing but a pro. He wore suits and always stayed professional at all times. The keyboard warriors are pissed because mma is turning into nothing more than a sham with all the curious decisions that just happen to keep all the most marketable guys as champions.

 

[manimal]

Actually GSP is one of if not the most liked guy in MMA. I like him and think he was a great champion before his loss of the belt. I like how he presented himself as nothing but a pro. He wore suits and always stayed professional at all times. The keyboard warriors are pissed because mma is turning into nothing more than a sham with all the curious decisions that just happen to keep all the most marketable guys as champions.

Ya gsp is all class. Stop saying he lost the belt.He didnt. Rules dont cease to exist because you simply dont like them or disagree with them. Yes the scoring sucks. Yes the Nevada commision sucks, and yes your argument sucks too.

 

[Agent11]

Also of note, why didn't Hendricks take GSP down more often? He has the wrestling background, and the size. It seemed to me like he was avoiding the ground as much as possible. Usually GSP manhandles his opponents, he was shut down quite often in his attempts to do so by Hendricks. It's a shame that he limited his wrestling skills to defense. . . Perhaps Hendricks is afraid of submissions?

Got to give credit for his ability to throw uppercuts while hopping on one foot for extended periods of time though.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

JH tapped in the first round from the guillotine, the ref just didn't see it. :hmm:

 

[QueBert]

Is all this outcry because it's GSP or just shitty judging? I remember less outcry over The Mauler vs Jones outcome, and Dana never made a rematch! That was a robbery, but, like I said, no rematch granted. GSP wins a narrow one and all the keyboard warriors are up in arms about robbery and Dana wants a rematch right away. Makes no sense to me.

Bones Vs The Mauler was far closer that this fight, robbery not found. I could have somewhat agreed if that fight had went the other way with the judges, this one I just don't see what Georges did to win. I know he's a likable Canadian with a funny accent, but he he didn't try to win. Where Bones damn near finished Gus, and had him looking like he had gotten smashed around. Where Hendricks didn't even have a bruise from what I could see.

 

[JEDI]

Is all this outcry because it's GSP or just shitty judging? I remember less outcry over The Mauler vs Jones outcome, and Dana never made a rematch! That was a robbery, but, like I said, no rematch granted. GSP wins a narrow one and all the keyboard warriors are up in arms about robbery and Dana wants a rematch right away. Makes no sense to me.

in the jones fight, his opponenet out boxed him.
but jones countered aggressively with kicks to the head and elbows.

in this fight, gsp's answer to Hendricks attacks wasn't as forceful.
neverthelress, as I said, to be champ, you have to BEAT the champ.


back to the jones fight:
surprised jones had to be carried out of the stadium in a stretcher after he limped out oif the octogon.
have they released info as to how badly he was hurt?

 

[Wingznut]

Yeah silly us thinking rearranging a guys face is worse than grappling someone to the ground.

that don't matter...
you can't go by who has a more messed up face..

Exactly. People keep talking like it's a street fight, and who did the most damage should win. But there is nothing in the Unified Rules that say "look at the guy's face"...

 

[isekii]

Exactly. People keep talking like it's a street fight, and who did the most damage should win. But there is nothing in the Unified Rules that say "look at the guy's face"...

GSP probably has a ton of scar tissue on his face. He always looks like he got the crap beaten out of him even when he wins his fights.

 

[Wingznut]

GSP probably has a ton of scar tissue on his face. He always looks like he got the crap beaten out of him even when he wins his fights.

Even still, a punch to the face is the same as another punch to the face (in the rules.) If JH hits GSP in the eye, it leaves a significant mark. If GSP hits JH in the jaw, there's no mark. Yet, they are tied.

And another scenario... One fighter can barely win three boring rounds, where five total punches are landed. And the other fighter can handily win two exciting rounds, where he landed a couple dozen more punches... And the first fighter will (well, should) win.

This is how the rules work, as they currently stand. And as such, and even though I thought JH won the first round, this decision is not as shocking as people are making it out to be. (At least, according to the actual judging rules.)

 

[Demoralized]

I could see the decision going either way, JH winning wouldn't have bothered me, GSP keeping the belt doesn't bother me. It wasn't GSPs greatest defence of his belt, it wasn't JHs best fight. Both could have done more. As we have seen from Guss vs Jones, you have to stop the champ to take his belt, see Weidman vs Silva. Bad judging has been part of MMA for a long time, it needs to change, we all know that. But until it does, fans and fighter alike have to accept the outcomes.

 

[Druidx]

Terrible decision by Zuffa to give this fight to GSP. MMA is nothing more than boxing these days. Las Vegas has tainted the sport just like they did boxing. I like GSP, he is the ultimate champion. Gsp was the modern day Frank Dux (movie bloodsport was made about him) reincarnated. GSP lost this fight though. He landed no significant strikes and was mostly manhandled on the ground except for the fifth round.

A very uninformed opinion on your part. Zuffa had nothing to do with the decision. In fact during the post-fight press conference, Dana White was extremely critical of the Nevada Athletic commission. He was very upfront to say it would have been best for the company if GSP had won because GSP makes more money for the UFC but in White’s opinion Hendricks easily won the fight 3/2. White specifically called on the Governor to step in, to fix the broken Athletic Commission before they completely ruined MMA like they did with boxing. White even implied the UFC may look at moving some events outside of Nevada until they fixes this issues.

 

[Druidx]

There have been a few times in the past when the UFC has paid a fighter their win bonus even though they lost if they thought the fighter was robbed. So out of curiosity I wanted to see if Hendricks was given his win bonus, he wasn’t.
GSP $400,000 plus $50,000 bonus for fight of the night
Hendrick $50,000 for show plus $50,000 bonus for fight of the night

Of course that doesn’t included other locker room bonuses or a percentage of the PPV that big stars like GSP receives
According to this article in Forbes, GSP makes 12 million a year
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad...ow-georges-st-pierre-makes-12-million-a-year/

 

[manimal]

Dana should schedule the next few title fights in other states. When Vegas sees the revenue drop they will do something. They should just retire Sal Damato and bring in a fresh face.

Dont forget guys even if they did something about uneven scoring in vegas fights the complete rule set is the same in other cities. K flo got flamed for saying damage has nothing to do with the scoring system and he was correct. When they announce the fights at EVERY arena they tell you what the criteria are for the scoring. Significant strikes is mentioned but in most cases significant strikes does no visible damage. Sometimes guys bleed sometimes one scraping elbow will open up a guy who otherwise barely got hit. GSP in that round got hit with significant strikes and they did damage and it was scored accordingly. It however didnt end the fight and gsp recovered and battled and scored in that round. We already discussed the rarity of a 10-8 round so thats where that round was.

The ruleset isnt gonna change drastically. Look at the easy fixes like removing gloves and wearing Muai Tai cups they just dont want to change much.

 

[Childs]

A very uninformed opinion on your part. Zuffa had nothing to do with the decision. In fact during the post-fight press conference, Dana White was extremely critical of the Nevada Athletic commission. He was very upfront to say it would have been best for the company if GSP had won because GSP makes more money for the UFC but in White’s opinion Hendricks easily won the fight 3/2. White specifically called on the Governor to step in, to fix the broken Athletic Commission before they completely ruined MMA like they did with boxing. White even implied the UFC may look at moving some events outside of Nevada until they fixes this issues.

White actually said he thought Hendrix won 4-1, with GSP only winning the 3rd. I think he was mainly just pissed because GSP wanted to take time off and didnt give him a heads up. I watched the post fight press conference, and he was abnormally pissed at the world. He calmed down after the presser when he had a chance to talk to GSP backstage.

And Hendrix was quite the whinny biotch. Saying that he's the champion, only used 70% of his power, etc. He acts like a little kid. Even Dana got tired of it and kinda put him in his place during the presser. His stock probably dropped a bit because he's such a sore loser, unlike Gus who gained a lot of respect with how he handled things in and out of the ring.

 

[Wingznut]

White actually said he thought Hendrix won 4-1, with GSP only winning the 3rd. I think he was mainly just pissed because GSP wanted to take time off and didnt give him a heads up. I watched the post fight press conference, and he was abnormally pissed at the world. He calmed down after the presser when he had a chance to talk to GSP backstage.

And Hendrix was quite the whinny biotch. Saying that he's the champion, only used 70% of his power, etc. He acts like a little kid. Even Dana got tired of it and kinda put him in his place during the presser. His stock probably dropped a bit because he's such a sore loser, unlike Gus who gained a lot of respect with how he handled things in and out of the ring.

I love Dana's post fight scrums and interviews... But he needs to take a deep breath and think things out before he speaks sometimes. I'll bet if he were to watch the fight again, he would change his mind about who won what rounds. Really, only Round 1 was in question.

I think he got caught up, like so many did, that JH won the overall fight. And yeah, he could be definitely be pissed about GSP's post fight comments. GSP is his biggest cash cow.

 

[Druidx]

White actually said he thought Hendrix won 4-1, with GSP only winning the 3rd. I think he was mainly just pissed because GSP wanted to take time off and didnt give him a heads up. I watched the post fight press conference, and he was abnormally pissed at the world. He calmed down after the presser when he had a chance to talk to GSP backstage.

And Hendrix was quite the whinny biotch. Saying that he's the champion, only used 70% of his power, etc. He acts like a little kid. Even Dana got tired of it and kinda put him in his place during the presser. His stock probably dropped a bit because he's such a sore loser, unlike Gus who gained a lot of respect with how he handled things in and out of the ring.

The 70% power comment was taken out of context. Hendricks simply meant he held enough back to still have power and stamina going into the 4th and 5th round, which is common.
I think Hendricks won the fight. What was most surprising was how well Hendricks looked in the later rounds. Everyone ( including me ) predicted it would either be a quick knockout or GSP would win by out working him in the championship rounds. Hendricks looked amazing in this fight, he wasn’t even out of breath during his post-fight octagon interview.

Personally for me the most telling fact is almost 90% on the professional fighters who commented on the fight had Hendricks as the winner, I think Hendricks frustration is completely understandable. The idea Hendricks stock went down is laughable, he just put a beating on the single most dominate WW champ in UFC history.

Just to be clear, I’m a huge GSP fan but he lost that fight.

 

[Childs]

The 70% power comment was taken out of context. Hendricks simply meant he held enough back to still have power and stamina going into the 4th and 5th round, which is common.

But he was acting like that was enough to put GSP away, and that obviously wasn't the case. I have no doubt that Hendricks would have put him away by just bum rushing GSP, but right or wrong, he maybe gave GSP too much respect. Theres always the risk of running out of gas, but Hendrix appeared much stronger than GSP, and the last thing you want to do in a championship fight is go to the judges.

I almost wonder is GSP's quick takedown in the 1st made Hendrix think twice about pressing too much. He couldnt keep Hendrix down, but those takedowns add up.

 

[Druidx]

I love Dana's post fight scrums and interviews... But he needs to take a deep breath and think things out before he speaks sometimes. I'll bet if he were to watch the fight again, he would change his mind about who won what rounds. Really, only Round 1 was in question.

I think he got caught up, like so many did, that JH won the overall fight. And yeah, he could be definitely be pissed about GSP's post fight comments. GSP is his biggest cash cow.

I agree for the most part, there was an obvious attitude change by Dana between the post-fight presser and the later media scrum where he had a chance to talk to GSP.
I’m curious to see the next video blog because Dana implied it was obvious GSP team thought he had lost before the decision was announced. Just from what little was showed before the decision, it looked like Firas Zahabi was consoling GSP.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

There have been several posts from people who watched the fight for a 2nd time, they changed their opinion. They agreed that GSP did win.

 

[Druidx]

While some people have changed their minds after watching the fight a 2nd time, it's clear the majority still see it as a win by Hendricks. At least according to the Sherdog and Junkie forums. I think some of that can be attributed to GSP’s huge fan base, personally I’m more impressed by pro fighters who have commented that Hendricks won over the opinions of fight fans.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Rumors as to why GSP needs some time off. I can understand the dad thing...wonder if he pulls a Jordan and just quits.

Irregardless of this back and forth - GSP "won" in the eyes of the judges. Until he can get his head straight a rematch ain't happening.

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[RPD]

This article does a great job of explaining the scores and showing why the 10point system is flawed.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/11/...-judging-dana-white-and-the-nevada-commission

Specifically here:

The 10-point must system as far as judging boxing or MMA is akin to a tennis scoring system and not a football scoring system. If Saturday's fight had been a tennis match, rounds two and four would be Hendricks 6-2 and 6-2. Rounds three and five would be GSP 6-4 and 6-4. It would come down to round one, which was a 7-6 round, although the debate would be who gets it. The point being, yes, Hendricks was the better fighter on that day, but the nature of the scoring system didn't allow for showing it as best as it could.

Football would be different. If we play five quarters, the first quarter really was a 7-7 score. Hendricks would score two touchdown in the second and fourth, St-Pierre one touchdown in the third and fifth. Based on that scoring, Hendricks wins the game.The latter is a better representation of who should win.