UFC 167 Nov 16th PPV 10pm/7pm ET/PT

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Zuffa had nothing to do with the decision. that is the judging body.

They need to really do a good training program for the judges. Maybe some rule changes are in place too.

lol. Sure. Boxing isn't rigged either... Jones/Gustofson Machida/Shogun Hendricks/GSP just off the top of my head and I don't even watch it anymore. It's nothing more than wwe these days with the rigging taking place.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

psst...

Spoiler

zuffa has nothing to do w/the judges.
the judges are employees of the state gaming cmmossion

Yep. These guys aren't bought and sold like cattle either. I'd like to live where you guys do. Everything must look peachy with those rose colored glasses you have on.

 

[JEDIYoda]

What a fucking joke last night.

So much for a dominating victory by GSP that some of you guys were so sure of. He got his brains scrambled and couldn't even remember the fight.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/11/1...ierre-vs-johny

cry much....

 

[JEDI]

Yep. These guys aren't bought and sold like cattle either. I'd like to live where you guys do. Everything must look peachy with those rose colored glasses you have on.

you also belive there was a 2nd gunmen on the grassy knoll?

and elvis still alive!

/need more tin for your foil hat?

 

[manimal]

I sometimes wonder if you guys watch the same fights as me. If you watch the fighting and the scoring over the last decade the three major decisions this last year all make sense according to how the judges score. Sure I hate Sal D'amato as much as you guys do if not more but you have to realize they are VERY reluctant to score a round 10-8.

Unless the guys spleen is on the floor twitching they wont decide a fight in one round. They just wont do it.

JH made a ton of mistakes that he wasnt able to aknowledge untill Dana called him out on it at the conference.

JH should have not let GSP up in that round and should have put more pressure on in the clinch since he obviously had the advantage there. GSP was taking the shots in stand up and scoring with the jab. He may not have been doing OMGWTF damage but he was scoring according to rules.

Some of you need to go back to watching kimbo slice videos.....

I hate the refeeing and will discuss that on its own but dont think for a second the fight was stolen. It was a close fight that could have been scored either way and was in fact scored accordingly since it was a split. I personally think Sal damato needs to be gone but that is a different discussion.

GSP doesnt deserve the hate. Hate on the commission and hate on the rules.


I called the fight just like the judges and posted as such if you go back and look. JH made mistakes and GSP fought back when really hurt. If this was early gsp he would have been out like in the silva fight.....

You guys also have to remember how take downs and punches are scored. While dana and the fights want to be decided by damage the rules are written as they are written.

Dana should boycott vegas for a year........ he will lose money but at the press conference he said he is afraid to promote in nevada now. I have been watching ufc since the beginning.

I want the old vale tudo rules back....

 

[waggy]

I sometimes wonder if you guys watch the same fights as me. If you watch the fighting and the scoring over the last decade the three major decisions this last year all make sense according to how the judges score. Sure I hate Sal D'amato as much as you guys do if not more but you have to realize they are VERY reluctant to score a round 10-8.

Unless the guys spleen is on the floor twitching they wont decide a fight in one round. They just wont do it.

JH made a ton of mistakes that he wasnt able to aknowledge untill Dana called him out on it at the conference.

JH should have not let GSP up in that round and should have put more pressure on in the clinch since he obviously had the advantage there. GSP was taking the shots in stand up and scoring with the jab. He may not have been doing OMGWTF damage but he was scoring according to rules.

Some of you need to go back to watching kimbo slice videos.....

I hate the refeeing and will discuss that on its own but dont think for a second the fight was stolen. It was a close fight that could have been scored either way and was in fact scored accordingly since it was a split. I personally think Sal damato needs to be gone but that is a different discussion.

GSP doesnt deserve the hate. Hate on the commission and hate on the rules.


I called the fight just like the judges and posted as such if you go back and look. JH made mistakes and GSP fought back when really hurt. If this was early gsp he would have been out like in the silva fight.....

You guys also have to remember how take downs and punches are scored. While dana and the fights want to be decided by damage the rules are written as they are written.

Dana should boycott vegas for a year........ he will lose money but at the press conference he said he is afraid to promote in nevada now. I have been watching ufc since the beginning.

I want the old vale tudo rules back....

yeah this.

teh fact judges don't give 10-8 rounds is insane. there are many times they are needed.

Also with takedowns judges put to much on them. IF you take someone down and they get right back up in 5 seconds it is scored huge for the guy taking them down and not for the guy who got up.

IF you get someone down and can't keep them down it shouldn't count so damn big.

same with pushing someone up against the cage.

Also just because someone is on top does not mean they are in control of the fight or should be winning. if you are lay n prying and the guy on bottom is throwing elbows trying escapes or reverses..that should count.


I'm not pissed at the scoring. it could have gone either way.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

I also feel GSP did win the fight, but if they gave it to JH, I wouldn't of been upset. He just didn't quite do enough, I also agree you REALLY need to take it from a champ. GSP had more strikes landed through round 3, but JH had the harder strikes landed. It was just one of those fights that could of gone either way and I understand both sides.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Maybe this sport has just lost it's ease of accessibility for the casual fan. I don't know. I think any person watching that fight last night who is just a casual viewer probably thought that something was f'd up in favor of GSP.

To me if you watch a fight and feel like 'well, I guess it could have gone either way' and one guy looks like he got hit by a car and the other guy looks like he just did a light jog around the neighborhood then maybe common sense should win out.

 

[Wingznut]

Looks like A LOT of the other fighters feel that Hendricks won, also...Pros' tweets about the UFC 16 fights

Personally, I thought Hendricks won. But I also thought (based on the rules of judging, as they currently stand) that it's not exactly a travesty that GSP got the decision. Like I said before, my biggest issue was that two of the judges got Round 1 very wrong, imho.

If I were able to implement one thing it would be the announcing of scoring between each round. I can't think of another sport where the contestants don't know the score during the breaks.

 

[manimal]

rewatch the fight on mute. Especially round 2.


GSP outscored and controlled the cage. JH had a momentum swing but GSPs takedown at the end with the sub attempt points wise sealed the round for him. I completely agree that the casual fight fan only sees the big shots and have little idea why it was scored the way it is.

 

[Wingznut]

rewatch the fight on mute. Especially round 2.

But Round 1 was the round that the judges split on, they agreed on the other four. And like I said, I did re-watch that round. And I think Hendricks won that one quite handily.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

rewatch the fight on mute. Especially round 2.


GSP outscored and controlled the cage. JH had a momentum swing but GSPs takedown at the end with the sub attempt points wise sealed the round for him. I completely agree that the casual fight fan only sees the big shots and have little idea why it was scored the way it is.

Yeah silly us thinking rearranging a guys face is worse than grappling someone to the ground.

 

[waggy]

Yeah silly us thinking rearranging a guys face is worse than grappling someone to the ground.

that don't matter. Look at the conduit fight GSP looked beat up yet he dominated most of the fight.

you can't go by who has a more messed up face..

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

that don't matter. Look at the conduit fight GSP looked beat up yet he dominated most of the fight.

you can't go by who has a more messed up face..

Yeah except GSP clearly won the Conduit fight. This fight GSP landed 0 significant blows or any damage whatsoever. He couldn't even get any takedowns until the 5th round. So he didn't win the ground game imo and he clearly didn't win the stand up. So tell me again where he won this fight? If you're going by the fact he "stayed busier" by throwing more punches and kicks that weren't doing any damage then that's a crock to me. Even Dana came out and said he's questioning having events in Las Vegas anymore due to the poor judging. If you need anymore evidence of who won look at the reactions of the fighters at the end of the fight. Even GSP knew what a crock that was for his corner to lift him like he had won. IMO GSP goes down a notch for not admitting it was a bad decision. Rampage gave props to Machida when Machida had clearly won the fight but Rampage got the decision. In Rampage's words "he kicked my ass".

 

[dennilfloss]

A Quebec-based UFC referee agrees with how the rounds were scored and says that according to the rules, St-Pierre did indeed win the fight if you score it properly. He said the difference was that St-Pierre had a greater number of effective hits in the first round than Hendricks did; even if they were less powerful, each effective hit counted just the same. The GSP takedown in the first round also proved significant as this round was the difference between a win and a loss in last night's match.

http://www.985sports.ca/combats/nou...-revu-et-corrige-par-yves-lavigne-282271.html

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Quit being GSP fanboys and call it like it is. We all know who is the current champion. GSP had a good run but the wear and tear, age, and desire to keep going finally caught him. He had narrowly avoided this for a long time but he lost. You guys know it as well as me. If you want to continue to play this fanboy charade then have fun.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Quit being GSP fanboys and call it like it is. We all know who is the current champion. GSP had a good run but the wear and tear, age, and desire to keep going finally caught him. He had narrowly avoided this for a long time but he lost. You guys know it as well as me. If you want to continue to play this fanboy charade then have fun.

Yes we do know who the current champion is, its still GSP.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Yes we do know who the current champion is, its still GSP.

He's just the place holder till Hendrix gets what is rightfully his. Kinda like Machida when he held onto it for Shogun.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

He's just the place holder till Hendrix gets what is rightfully his. Kinda like Machida when he held onto it for Shogun.

Could very well happen. I am more curious to what this leave of absence is going to be for GSP. A friend of mine last night was saying that GSP might be gay and this might have to do with his personal reasons. I spent more time making fun of his stupid NOS active commercials, I don't drink energy drinks, but he makes me not want to buy those.

 

[Agent11]

He's just the place holder till Hendrix gets what is rightfully his. Kinda like Machida when he held onto it for Shogun.

GSP is scary smart though, I will be interested in how he adapts to defeat Hendricks. . .The rematch will be a great fight.

Could very well happen. I am more curious to what this leave of absence is going to be for GSP. A friend of mine last night was saying that GSP might be gay and this might have to do with his personal reasons. I spent more time making fun of his stupid NOS active commercials, I don't drink energy drinks, but he makes me not want to buy those.

He's said he wants to get married and have a large family, maybe that has something to do with it.

 

[Fingolfin269]

It's funny that people saying GSP dominated the fight also likely agree that JH won round 1. That was the swing round. So one way or another the judges don't know what they're doing, right?

 

[waggy]

It's funny that people saying GSP dominated the fight also likely agree that JH won round 1. That was the swing round. So one way or another the judges don't know what they're doing, right?

who is saying he dominated? care to point them out cause i seem to have missed it.

it was a close fight. it could have gone either way.

 

[Fingolfin269]

who is saying he dominated? care to point them out cause i seem to have missed it.

it was a close fight. it could have gone either way.

Not sure why I wrote dominate because you're right, no one said that.

 

[QueBert]

Sucks that take downs with no ground action matter, GSP lost that fight, I'm not saying I think Hendrick's smashed him in a dominating victory. But I don't see any way GSP won. MMA scoring is shitty, all you have to do is move forward and score a few take downs and you win a round. GSP certainly was putting in good effort, and I guess he was controlling the octagon. But control with no damage or attempts to do anything to actually fight is worthless.

Not that it matters but has a single fighter Tweeted that they agree with the decision? I know last night when I found a list of fighter tweets there were like 20 fighters and numerous trainers and other various MMA people who all said the decision was a joke. Pat Miletich was especially pissed. Not that he's the last word in MMA, but very few dudes in MMA have the experience and knowledge he does.

 

[Demoralized]

Is all this outcry because it's GSP or just shitty judging? I remember less outcry over The Mauler vs Jones outcome, and Dana never made a rematch! That was a robbery, but, like I said, no rematch granted. GSP wins a narrow one and all the keyboard warriors are up in arms about robbery and Dana wants a rematch right away. Makes no sense to me.