UFC 128: Shogun vs Jon Jones

[Woosta]

Furthermore, your biggest beloved patriot in the armor, is that your take down defense is suspect. And the last time you had a roll in the cage, was after similar circumstances, against a guy Bones would destroy, and you ended up giving up your back and getting finished.

Rua was legitimately not in good shape but because of his whole demeanor he didn't turn down the Griffin fight. 100% Shogun would destroy Forrest 95/100 times.

 

[summit]

Rua was legitimately not in good shape but because of his whole demeanor he didn't turn down the Griffin fight. 100% Shogun would destroy Forrest 95/100 times.

its not a math test. real life fighting isn't all about stats and technique, sometimes its about hunger and toughness. there's a reason why they fight!

 

[Woosta]

Not training any cardio is a huge factor in a mma fight. Having double knee surgery is a huge factor. You people just don't realize how great Shogun is... I guess that's to be expected... some of the people in this thread probably thought Machida would tool him, and that the Machida era would last... ah, the UFC hype machine at it's finest.

 

[summit]

Not training any cardio is a huge factor in a mma fight. Having double knee surgery is a huge factor. You people just don't realize how great Shogun is... I guess that's to be expected... some of the people in this thread probably thought Machida would tool him, and that the Machida era would last... ah, the UFC hype machine at it's finest.

that's like saying bj could be the greatest ever if he trained hard 100% of the time. he doesn't so he loses. using ring rust, training, or injury excuse is for pussies, real fighters suck it up and kick ass.

 

[CPA]

Not training any cardio is a huge factor in a mma fight. Having double knee surgery is a huge factor. You people just don't realize how great Shogun is... I guess that's to be expected... some of the people in this thread probably thought Machida would tool him, and that the Machida era would last... ah, the UFC hype machine at it's finest.

Why is it that when one of your fighters loses there's an excuse to as why he lost?

 

[summit]

Why is it that when one of your fighters loses there's an excuse to as why he lost?

it derailed the woosta hype machine.

 

[QueBert]

Bones Jones is too unpredictable of a fighter as he usally goes all out in the frist round -

he could easily be caught with a one punch KO or destroy the oher guy. I've been watching Bones Jones decimate the LHW ranks since him & Bonnar squared off and his reach is a huge advantage. Bones Jones needs to be tested against a superior wrestler & BJJ guy who has the ability to take him down. Against a striker hes just too good.

Not easily, he's been hit pretty hard and wasn't much effected. Not saying he can't be KO'ed, anyone can. But his chin is definitely great. Bader tagged him once really good and Jones hardly reacted. Bader has good power so that showed a lot, Shogun might have more. But no way Jones goes down from 1 punch.

I predict Jones wins in the 2nd and the idiot Pride fans come out the wood works with excuses why their hero lost. I have nothing against Shogun but I realize he's not as Godlike as his fans make him out to be. Jones beats Shogun, then as Page would say, we'll get some black on black violence when they fight. And as much as I like Rampage I don't think he'll beat Jones. And when Jones beats Rampage, we get Page Vs Shogun 2 where my man Page gets his revenge. I think a win over Shogun will get Page's mind right again.

Shogun's run in Pride was pretty laughable, half the people he beat there have more loses than wins. With the exception of a few good wins he dominated over mostly sub par competition who couldn't even make it on a season of TUF. Not saying he doesn't have a lot of skills, he's an awesome fighter. But if you look at his record and compare it to Liddell or Henderson it's laughable to say he's on the same level as them.

 

[summit]

Not easily, he's been hit pretty hard and wasn't much effected. Not saying he can't be KO'ed, anyone can. But his chin is definitely great. Bader tagged him once really good and Jones hardly reacted. Bader has good power so that showed a lot, Shogun might have more. But no way Jones goes down from 1 punch.

I predict Jones wins in the 2nd and the idiot Pride fans come out the wood works with excuses why their hero lost. I have nothing against Shogun but I realize he's not as Godlike as his fans make him out to be. Jones beats Shogun, then as Page would say, we'll get some black on black violence when they fight. And as much as I like Rampage I don't think he'll beat Jones. And when Jones beats Rampage, we get Page Vs Shogun 2 where my man Page gets his revenge. I think a win over Shogun will get Page's mind right again.

Shogun's run in Pride was pretty laughable, half the people he beat there have more loses than wins. With the exception of a few good wins he dominated over mostly sub par competition who couldn't even make it into UFC. Not saying he doesn't have a lot of skills, he's an awesome fighter. But if you look at his record compared to Liddell or Henderson it's laughable to say he's on the same level.

Jones v. Rampage UFC 134. That would be a great headliner haha. *In my dreams.*

 

[QueBert]

Jones v. Rampage UFC 134. That would be a great headliner haha. *In my dreams.*

Dunno about it being at 134 but if Jones beats Shogun it will be a real fight. Page has a ton of power and a great sprawl. Jones isn't going to KO Page, and submitting him's nearly impossible. Since both like to engage it could be a pretty good fight IMHO. If Jones beats Shogun + Page he's instantly on my top 5 GOAT. Depending on how he beats them I'd even put him on my top 3 of all time.

 

[ctark]

Woosta you sound like a shertard.

Get over yourself, nobody cares how much of an MMA junkie you are and how long you've watched it and how nobody who just recently started watching should have an opinion that rivals yours because they are newer.

With that said. Jon Jones will destroy Shogun. Jones is the future of this sport, if you cant deal with it then maybe you should just quit watching. Its pretty obvious you are a shogun nuthugger and cant be unbiased about anything involving Shogun. Fret not, in a few years Shogun can have his title back once Jon Jones moves up to heavyweight (it will happen).

 

[Woosta]

Get over yourself, nobody cares how much of an MMA junkie you are and how long you've watched it and how nobody who just recently started watching should have an opinion that rivals yours because they are newer.

What the hell is this? I've never said anything remotely close to this. I myself am new to MMA since I only started learning about it in 2009. I welcome anyone's opinions even if they are new.

 

[QueBert]

Woosta you sound like a shertard.

Get over yourself, nobody cares how much of an MMA junkie you are and how long you've watched it and how nobody who just recently started watching should have an opinion that rivals yours because they are newer.

With that said. Jon Jones will destroy Shogun. Jones is the future of this sport, if you cant deal with it then maybe you should just quit watching. Its pretty obvious you are a shogun nuthugger and cant be unbiased about anything involving Shogun. Fret not, in a few years Shogun can have his title back once Jon Jones moves up to heavyweight (it will happen).

He's more of a Pride nutthugger, they're the ones who would say Wanderli would kill Jones if he moved back up to 205. I don't know if Jones will kill Shogun, but I think his chances of winning are pretty damn good. If Jones wins Wootsta will just bring up how great Shogun was in Pride. And how Jones is hype and will be exposed, and if Jones loses he'll claim Jones was nothing but hype. Shertards can't be reasoned with.

 

[Woosta]

Why is it that when one of your fighters loses there's an excuse to as why he lost?

I didn't give any excuse for Vitor Belfort losing. Anderson Silva beat him fair and square.

There is a legitimate reason as to why Shogun lost the Forrest fight.

 

[Woosta]

He's more of a Pride nutthugger, they're the ones who would say Wanderli would kill Jones if he moved back up to 205.

Eh? I'm a realist. Jon Jones would destroy Wanderlei.

I never said Jon Jones was hype, *I* was hyping Jon Jones when you and most people didn't have a godamn clue who he was. I personally ranked him as #2 skilled LHW in my LHW rankings based purely on skill and potential, topping Machida. If Jon Jones beats Shogun that just means Jon Jones is on course to be the LHW GOAT.

Honestly, what's up with these kindergartenesque refutes?

 

[Woosta]

Fret not, in a few years Shogun can have his title back once Jon Jones moves up to heavyweight (it will happen).

You are the perfect example of a Zuffa sheep. You had absolutely no godamn clue about Jon Jones and now because of this most recent event and with all that Rogan and Goldie stated, you actually believe everything you hear.

Jon Jones would not dominate HW. JDS/Cain/Carwin would not let him roam free and I have a feeling once he loses to Shogun and then perhaps Rampage he'll reconsider.

 

[Woosta]

Shogun's run in Pride was pretty laughable, half the people he beat there have more loses than wins. With the exception of a few good wins he dominated over mostly sub par competition who couldn't even make it on a season of TUF. Not saying he doesn't have a lot of skills, he's an awesome fighter. But if you look at his record and compare it to Liddell or Henderson it's laughable to say he's on the same level as them.

You do realize that Shogun is literally the only fighter in the history of MMA to run through 4 top 10 guys in his own weight division in the course of 4-5 months?

He beat Rampage, Overeem, Lil Nog and Arona in that span. That's equivalent to Cain beating say, Fedor + Overeem + JDS + Brock in 4-5 months. Ramp/Reem/Nog/Arona are top fighters.

When I actually have some time I'll do a thorough analysis of opponents and compare Shogun to Hendo and Liddell. People need to be educated on how great this 29 year old LHW is.

 

[bfdd]

I think your love of Shogun is blinding your ability to be unbias about this fight. I'm a Shogun fan, but he will have his work made out for him against Jones. Shogun cannot let this fight hit the ground or he runs the risk of getting tooled like everyone else. The problem lies in the fact Jones will be coming in with a HUGE reach advantage(what else is new) and has some of the best takedowns PERIOD in MMA. The guy puts a hand on someones shoulder and they hit the ground. Shogun's ONLY answer to this is his striking. If he can prevent Jones from using his reach for take downs by beating him to the punch(literally) he can win. If this fight goes past the 2nd though I'd lean in favor of a Jones decision.



btw don't throw the Zuffa sheep insult at me, it wouldn't do any good. I was skeptical of Jones until I saw what he did to Hamill. After that I realized if he wanted someone on the ground all he needs to do is put a hand on them.

 

[randay]

Eh? I'm a realist. Jon Jones would destroy Wanderlei.

I never said Jon Jones was hype, *I* was hyping Jon Jones when you and most people didn't have a godamn clue who he was. I personally ranked him as #2 skilled LHW in my LHW rankings based purely on skill and potential, topping Machida. If Jon Jones beats Shogun that just means Jon Jones is on course to be the LHW GOAT.

Honestly, what's up with these kindergartenesque refutes?

jon jones hasnt beat anyone in the top 10.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I'm going with Shogun on this one. I'm still not sure who Jones has beat to be considered goat. Lol. Bader and Hamill hardly count as the cream of the crop. I'd like to see him fight top level guys like Machida, Shogun, Evans, before we crown him champ. He's too one dimensional for my tastes. Guys like this always end up getting exposed.

 

[randay]

I didn't give any excuse for Vitor Belfort losing. Anderson Silva beat him fair and square.

There is a legitimate reason as to why Shogun lost the Forrest fight.

he didnt just beat him fair and square. he front kicked his jaw into the back of his skull.

 

[QueBert]

he didnt just beat him fair and square. he front kicked his jaw into the back of his skull.

But to be fair, it's not like Anderson was kicking his ass for an entire round before the kick. I'd still put money on him if they ever fight again. Vitor got KTFO'ed, but he's still a highly skilled and very dangerous fighter.

 

[bfdd]

jon jones hasnt beat anyone in the top 10.

Maybe not, but he has DESTROYED top 15 competition, made that shit look easy, easier than some top 10 guys could have. That in itself designates him a top 10 LHW based on resume and action.

 

[Woosta]

I think your love of Shogun is blinding your ability to be unbias about this fight. .

Did you actually miss my breakdown/assessment? I gave strong points of Jones' advantages...

 

[bfdd]

I'm going with Shogun on this one. I'm still not sure who Jones has beat to be considered goat. Lol. Bader and Hamill hardly count as the cream of the crop. I'd like to see him fight top level guys like Machida, Shogun, Evans, before we crown him champ. He's too one dimensional for my tastes. Guys like this always end up getting exposed.

This right there shows you exactly how little you actually know about those fighters. Hamill is 15-20th now, generally a top 15 fighter, amazing wrestling with fantastic takedown defense. Destroyed with ease. Bader, touted as the next big shit, another fantastic wrestler. Destroyed with ease.

Seriously this shit is retarded. Jones would lolrape Evans. 10 inch reach advantage, near equal striking, as good and better than some areas of grappling. Machida? MIGHT pose a problem as he has very good balance and wouldn't be as prone to the Greco/Judo style takedowns Jones utilizes, although he has a decent shot so he could probably get him down there. IMO Machida poses the biggest problem for Jones at LHW.

 

[bfdd]

Did you actually miss my breakdown/assessment? I gave strong points of Jones' advantages...

What I'm saying is, you're putting 500 on Shogun in what is at best a tossem and is rightfully favoring Jones. I see no logical assessment for your bet.