UC Irvine Shooting: Dad forced to pay $920 monthly

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: mugs

?The court finds that the care and maintenance of the child is more important than the care and maintenance of the father?s schooling,? the summary of the ruling reads.

Making sacrifices for your children is often part of parenthood.

I'm not saying that the support order was fair, because I'm not going to make assumptions and jump to conclusions. But the fact that he makes so little now is not relevant, because he chose to take that pay cut. He's clearly capable of making more, and making more is probably what he needed to do to support his child.

Of course, sacrifice is part of being a parent, but lots of couples with families survive on a lot less. If his son wasn't able to receive the necessities on $450/month, then something is wrong with the mother.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Erm, why has everyone made this story about the judge and not the guy who unjustifiably shot his wife?

Because the judge is the one who broke a man who was already suicidal.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: mugs
Making sacrifices for your children is often part of parenthood.

I'm not saying that the support order was fair, because I'm not going to make assumptions and jump to conclusions. But the fact that he makes so little now is not relevant, because he chose to take that pay cut. He's clearly capable of making more, and making more is probably what he needed to do to support his child.

So obviously the best long-term solution is having him drop out of a PhD program and the extra millions (over his lifetime) that entails, so he can buy some more ponies for his ex.

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Link.

Reread the factors I wrote above and the costs could easily balloon to 1100 when you take into account the kid's college savings plan, clothes, food, shelter/bills/rent for mom, medical costs, private school/daycare costs; especially considering the fact the father is going to pay 4X more than her. Under normal circumstances I think that 900 may be excessive but admit I don't know all the facts of this case, something you're too ignorant to admit as well.

The main crux of the issue was the judge ruling that he had to pay based off of a salary he no longer received, I could easily prove that $900 is fine if he's paying 4X as much and you had enough factors.

If the kid's in daycare, then she should be working. If she's working then she can contribute more to the kid's care while the dad finishes school (which is what they agreed on). So sad that a judge with an obvious agenda had to mess up so many lives.

TAKE NOTE GUYS! If this isn't all the evidence guys need to keep it wrapped, I don't know what is. If you can be a graduate of the US Naval Academy and have your life trashed, then Joe Average doesn't stand a chance. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS wear one no matter what she says. (Unless you're ready for 18 years of women and judges running your life, I guess.)

 

[tk149]

As Chris Rock said about OJ Simpson, "I'm not saying he should have killed her, but I understand. "

 

[holden j caufield]

keep in mind she lived in graduate subsidized housing so her main expense is greatly reduced.

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

The thing that some of you guys don't realize is that a good chunk of that money DOES go to the child. You act like the mom is feeding the kid just bread and water and not paying for anything else for the child such as schooling, daycare, activities, clothing, food. You act like the money is just stolen from you and fail to realize the big picture which is the welfare of your child.

Dude, I KNOW what it costs to raise a child, do you? $900 is far more than necessary for even all of the costs, much less 1/2 which is how the system purports to work.

So you know if this kid was in a private school or not, or had daycare? You know the amount they were contributing for the 529? You know how much the woman's rent was? You know whether the child had a medical condition or not and what type of health insurance plan the child had? Some examples of any number of factors that could have influenced the judge's ruling. Just because we think it's excessive doesn't mean we have all the facts, and any one of those factors are possibilities.

Yet I digress, the main point of my post above is that some of you act like the woman is just stealing the money and it's not going to anything good. You had sex, so man the fvck up and pay. You may be angry now but your anger should subside when you think about your child. Killing your child's other parent means you're nothing but a selfish fck who only cares about themselves and never gave 2 shts about your child (who should be #1 in your life).

Why not take the kid out of private school if you cannot afford it, rent a smaller apartment etc

 

[darkxshade]

It's an unfortunate chain of fails that led to this outcome. Blame cannot be placed squarely on one shoulder. If anything, it should be shared equally amoung all the parties involved and thus the system failed. The judge can't possibly know all the details of his life, she made a call to the best of her knowledge, I don't believe she was geniunely trying to ruin this mans life but she failed in that she didn't take his needs into consideration. A childs needs is important but not to the point of sacrificing a mans life and career to accomodate. The bitch wife is also to blame for her lack of discretion to say the least. And the guy obviously made a bad call with muder. However I can't help but feel sympathy for him in that all of this could have been avoided, it's what drove him to this outcome that most of us are talking about because obvously what he did was wrong. He was dealt a shitty hand and let his emotions get the best of him. Again, this is no one persons fault.

 

[69Mach1]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Good for him. Too bad he wasn't able to take out the judge too.

+1

A guy murders his ex-wife and the only outrage is over his child support payments. I fucking hate you guys.

If he hadn't been so screwed by the system he might not have been so outraged as to take her life. While he did wrong, the judge and system are very much to blame as well.

Bullshit. Suddenly the people who are all about personal responsibility are trying to distribute blame when it's about the money. Murder is one thing, but a man's money is off limits, am I right?

I'm not defending the judge or wife either, divorce and child custody law are all kinds of fucked.

Like I said, he was wrong and should face full punishment...that doesn't change the fact that part of the reason he did it was the faulty system and the order from that judge. I think it's VITAL that the judge know that, and live with it the rest of her life to prevent bad decisions in the future.

Having been through messy divorce and custody issues I know what its like to have your life irrevocably destroyed by court order. I somehow managed to keep from killing my ex, the judge, and everyone else involved, but I had to make it a CONSTANT conscious effort to keep from doing so. Had I given in I would have deserved any punishment I received, but the REASON for me doing it would have remained largely the events of my life which were beyond my control.

This was my state of mind as well, it took a lot of effort to not go psycho during that whole mess. My case wasn't as bad as it could have been, but I was at the breaking point and it wouldn't have taken much more to put me over. Unless you've been there it's about impossible to describe to someone who hasn't. When you are suicidal, you are not in a rational frame of mind. I look back on it now, and I can't believe I ever felt that way, but at the time it seemed like nothing would ever be right in my world again. With nothing to look forward to, its pretty easy to decide that you have nothing to lose, and then do something to make that happen. What he did was wrong, but the Judge should have seen trouble coming and taken steps to head it off. A psychiatric evaluation should have been called for at the very least to determine if this guy was a danger or not. A previous suicide attempt is a huge red flag.

 

[Chrono]

Originally posted by: TehMac
Another brilliant case handled by a fucking dumbass judge. I think he should be sent to Mexico where the Aztecs can cut out his heart and toss his body down the pyramids.

I read the judge as being female... named Nancy A. Pollard?

 

[amddude]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Good for him. Too bad he wasn't able to take out the judge too.

+1

A guy murders his ex-wife and the only outrage is over his child support payments. I fucking hate you guys.

If he hadn't been so screwed by the system he might not have been so outraged as to take her life. While he did wrong, the judge and system are very much to blame as well.

Bullshit. Suddenly the people who are all about personal responsibility are trying to distribute blame when it's about the money. Murder is one thing, but a man's money is off limits, am I right?

I'm not defending the judge or wife either, divorce and child custody law are all kinds of fucked.

Like I said, he was wrong and should face full punishment...that doesn't change the fact that part of the reason he did it was the faulty system and the order from that judge. I think it's VITAL that the judge know that, and live with it the rest of her life to prevent bad decisions in the future.

Having been through messy divorce and custody issues I know what its like to have your life irrevocably destroyed by court order. I somehow managed to keep from killing my ex, the judge, and everyone else involved, but I had to make it a CONSTANT conscious effort to keep from doing so. Had I given in I would have deserved any punishment I received, but the REASON for me doing it would have remained largely the events of my life which were beyond my control.

BS. You choose your ex. Next time, get one with the sanity option.

Make a mistake and you just get double reamed by the court system? That's definitely blind justice...

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Good for him. Too bad he wasn't able to take out the judge too.

I always knew you were a piece of dog shit, thanks for confirming!

Lol, coming from the king of hypocritical POS. Care to remind the group how many different groupings of people you've described a desire to see harmed or exterminated in you P&N chain mail ramblings.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Erm, why has everyone made this story about the judge and not the guy who unjustifiably shot his wife?

Because the judge is the one who broke a man who was already suicidal.

I think you have it wrong there spanky....the term is HOMICIDAL...see when it's suicide a person kills his or her self which is what this ballless asshole should have done.

He did not just kill a woman he thought was taking too much of his money he killed his sons mother.

 

[amddude]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Erm, why has everyone made this story about the judge and not the guy who unjustifiably shot his wife?

Because the judge is the one who broke a man who was already suicidal.

I think you have it wrong there spanky....the term is HOMICIDAL...see when it's suicide a person kills his or her self which is what this ballless asshole should have done.

He did not just kill a woman he thought was taking too much of his money he killed his sons mother.

Re-read the article, the guy was suicidal prior to going homicidal, if you will.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: amddude

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Erm, why has everyone made this story about the judge and not the guy who unjustifiably shot his wife?

Because the judge is the one who broke a man who was already suicidal.

I think you have it wrong there spanky....the term is HOMICIDAL...see when it's suicide a person kills his or her self which is what this ballless asshole should have done.

He did not just kill a woman he thought was taking too much of his money he killed his sons mother.

Re-read the article, the guy was suicidal prior to going homicidal, if you will.

I did, but he obviusly wanted her dead more than himself...he succeed in killing her, he failed twice at his own lame attempt to get out of child support.

If he REALLY wanted to off himself he would have...he was too chicken shit.

 

[krylon]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Good for him. Too bad he wasn't able to take out the judge too.

I always knew you were a piece of dog shit, thanks for confirming!

Lol, coming from the king of hypocritical POS. Care to remind the group how many different groupings of people you've described a desire to see harmed or exterminated in you P&N chain mail ramblings.

ownd

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
You had sex, so man the fvck up and pay. You may be angry now but your anger should subside when you think about your child.

the mother had sex too, glad she gets a free pass.

The person with custody never gets a free pass, she should have received less support most likely but who knows. Ultimately, if I knew most of the 900 was going all to my child then I wouldn't give a dam whether the kid needed 500 or 900 or 1200. Most greedy fcks think about themselves before their kids though.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Re-read the article, the guy was suicidal prior to going homicidal, if you will.

I did, but he obviusly wanted her dead more than himself...he succeed in killing her, he failed twice at his own lame attempt to get out of child support.

If he REALLY wanted to off himself he would have...he was too chicken shit.

Yep, he's nothing more than a coward. I feel sorry for the child who's going to have to overcome this BS... does this coward think the child will ever talk to him again after what he did?

 

[69Mach1]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
You had sex, so man the fvck up and pay. You may be angry now but your anger should subside when you think about your child.

the mother had sex too, glad she gets a free pass.

The person with custody never gets a free pass, she should have received less support most likely but who knows. Ultimately, if I knew most of the 900 was going all to my child then I wouldn't give a dam whether the kid needed 500 or 900 or 1200. Most greedy fcks think about themselves before their kids though.

Do you have an ex wife and kids?

 

[amddude]

Originally posted by: 69Mach1

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
You had sex, so man the fvck up and pay. You may be angry now but your anger should subside when you think about your child.

the mother had sex too, glad she gets a free pass.

The person with custody never gets a free pass, she should have received less support most likely but who knows. Ultimately, if I knew most of the 900 was going all to my child then I wouldn't give a dam whether the kid needed 500 or 900 or 1200. Most greedy fcks think about themselves before their kids though.

Do you have an ex wife and kids?

I've never heard of a single ex that spent that money wisely. I'm sure they are out there but it is rare. More than likely it is going to be a slush fund for a typically female parent.

 

[Anonemous]

One of the comments from the link probably from someone who was their neighbor...

Interesting that there is so much focus on the money and so little on the issue of child custody. This man, who had been in a position to parent (and parent well, as many in Verano could attest) his son four or more days a week, take him on vacations, and the like, was suddenly informed by a judge that he could only see the child every other weekend. Her criteria for making that decision included not only his history of depression (a sadly common condition amongst human beings) but the fact that the ex-wife had once seen some mold in his shower and he allowed the child to ride his tricycle (supervised) around the complex. If that is the criteria for bad parenting, then I'm guessing a lot of us out there are bad parents. Consider that Benedict, having gotten his undergrad girlfriend pregnant, married her and temporarily left his program to take a higher paying job so he could save enough to support his new family. Something he believed in. Consider the marriage broke up once he returned to school, and he tried very hard to continue to be a good single father. Suddenly a judge takes that away from him, after an argument, and he has to watch a woman with whom he no doubt has a troubled history take his child away from him. A psychic break, a horrible crime (interesting that Benedict, a decorated marksman, shot so randomly and desperately as to spray bullets), and two families left destroyed. But I doubt this was a crime about money. That Benedict is insane, no doubt. That he belongs in jail, certainly. But equally certain is the fact that the judge in this case, acting according to her own notorious anti-male agenda, is partially responsible for the events that followed her decision. Elect her out, folks.

BTW, Verano housing is typically $450-$900 depending on the floor plan. And the day care at Verano is top notch and probably the BEST in all of Irvine and heavily subsidized if the parent(s) are students.

It's not always about the $$$. He may have been depressed that he was going to lose custody of the kid if the wife "reports" he had another suicidal bout.

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Vic
Someone help me out here.... a bad child support judgment justifies murder? 😕

Justify? No.

Cause? Yes.

While I'm sure here are plenty who either truly believe or will say it for kicks - The child support payments don't justify murder. I'm pretty sure most of us talking about it aren't saying it does.

A normal person doesn't just get up and kill his ex-wife. Otherwise there would be a lot of dead ex-wives. Certainly one might joke about it, but when it actually happens - one imagines there generally is some cause.

Sorry that instead of going "Oh he's just a random asshole psycho with a gun" we wonder what would cause a person (who apparently was relatively successful and intelligent) to kill another person. The first potential reasoning for that that pops out in the article is the massive child support payments needed relative to income.

 

[69Mach1]

Originally posted by: amddude
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I've never heard of a single ex that spent that money wisely. I'm sure they are out there but it is rare. More than likely it is going to be a slush fund for a typically female parent.

As much as my ex annoys the hell out of me with little things, she has been very good about making sure that she either spent the child support on things for our son, or put it in a savings account for college. She has been exceptional as an ex wife, and proves that there are some good ex wives out there.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: 69Mach1

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
You had sex, so man the fvck up and pay. You may be angry now but your anger should subside when you think about your child.

the mother had sex too, glad she gets a free pass.

The person with custody never gets a free pass, she should have received less support most likely but who knows. Ultimately, if I knew most of the 900 was going all to my child then I wouldn't give a dam whether the kid needed 500 or 900 or 1200. Most greedy fcks think about themselves before their kids though.

Do you have an ex wife and kids?

Yep, sounds pretty clueless. Far and few between are the women who will spend any more than a fraction of the support on the kid. It's a bonus for them, and they deserve it because men are jerks. They need the new C Class and Coach bag to deal with the pain.

But pay up, otherwise you hate your kids.

 

[Praxis1452]

And this is why marriage & children are so fail.

 

[FleshLight]

Time to move out of this dirty ass crime ridden city