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UC Irvine Shooting: Dad forced to pay $920 monthly

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sad that the judical system is that screwed up. Men have been screwed when it comes to Alimony, child support and custody its insane. a lot of the time its automatic that the mother will get the kids, alimony and a huge amount of child support.


id on't see why a man has to pay 1/3 his income (wich i think some states demand). so it leads to some idiotic amounts. there was one basketball player who was paying $10k a month! wtf fuck that.


should this guy have killed her? hell no. But i can understand why. he lost his wife his kids and bnow has to pay nearly half his income to his wife. So he may have to drop out of school to get 2nd job. so any plans he had for his future were shot.

but saying that. the guy needs to be put in the electric chair.
 
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Good for him. Too bad he wasn't able to take out the judge too.
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A guy murders his ex-wife and the only outrage is over his child support payments. I fucking hate you guys.
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The guy made the kid too (looks like a shotgun wedding even - married in April, child in October). Why are people so afraid of personal responsibility?
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the outrage is at the burden placed on guys in custody/divorce and how it can be absolutely maddening for a man. i dont think its so outrageous as to excuse murder in any way...but its definitely outrageous enough to understand why hed feel like shooting someone.

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
Originally posted by: xSauronx
Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

I'm sure other people on the forums will tell you - don't represent yourselves.
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yeah, you get fucked even with a lawyer, though. i spent $10K i pretty much didnt have and still got fucked over, even after my lawyer showed that my ex was full of shit, and lying, and pulled stunts to get the kids away from me without any legitimate reason.
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Hopefully that your wife was full of shit was taken into consideration. So imagine how bad you would be screwed if it hadn't been.
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it didnt. i had one judge for the PFA my wife requested. i proved her full of shit and a nutcase, with witnesses to her nuttiness, and the divorce judge wouldnt even toy with the idea of admitting testimony from the PFA, which is entirely what caused me to file for divorce and my wife to be able to run off with the kids where i couldnt even speak to them, and had to have supervised visits for months by the time i could.

i didnt do *anything* wrong, but she claimed i did, and trying to get out of that and get fair access to my kids (which wasnt fair, but was at least the norm for custody...) totally fucked me. in the mean time, since she claimed i abused her and the kids, she got free legal aid and pissed away her share of the money we got selling our house. she outright had no idea where it all went. i spent mine, and then money i had to borrow from my parents, on a lawyer.

i wouldnt ever consider killing her, but if she dies, i will not shed the first tear.

meh, whats done is done. ill be in school a little while longer, then i can pay decent child support. their mother got remarried almost immediately and had 2 more kids, and doesnt work...but tells *me* i need to support the kids better :roll:
 
Originally posted by: mcmilljb
Originally posted by: jjsole
What a stupid b!tch judge, and afaic, an accomplice to murder.

You can only push people so far before they snap - everyone has a breaking point - and that dumbsh!t judge didn't give a crap about the ex-husband.
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Moral of the story:
Don't go to divorce court without a lawyer. That's probably why he got raped by the judge.
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Don't go into any court without a lawyer. Our legal system is just like organized crime. If you don't pay your protection money, expect to have your kneecaps broken.
 
Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Originally posted by: mcmilljb
Originally posted by: jjsole
What a stupid b!tch judge, and afaic, an accomplice to murder.

You can only push people so far before they snap - everyone has a breaking point - and that dumbsh!t judge didn't give a crap about the ex-husband.
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Moral of the story:
Don't go to divorce court without a lawyer. That's probably why he got raped by the judge.
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Don't go into any court without a lawyer. Our legal system is just like organized crime. If you don't pay your protection money, expect to have your kneecaps broken.
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Yea, except the woman gets free legal representation, and gets free representation if she wants even more money every 3 years. $27,000 per year salary doesn't go far at $170 per HOUR for a lawyer.

The guy absolutely was justified. If someone robs you with a gun, you put a bullet in their head. This is no different....
 
Originally posted by: rudder
Well he was earning over $100,000 prior to going back to school. He does have the responsibility to take care of a child. So the judge though he could provide more than $400/month.

But this is fail on all levels. Even at thaty salary... living on campus... paying $900 something a month is doable, she could have gotten assistance from the state while he finished his degree.

But I can hear the shriek of the female and can understand what sent him over the deep end.
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what he was earning years ago shouldnt matter. maybe the last year (which he had tax papers showing he made 25k) should be it.

26k is only 2k a month. he was paying almost HALF of that to her for child support. there is NO way he is going to live on $1200 or so a month in CA.

He may have already been getting full amount for tutition and such. he was already depressed about loseing his wife and kid. then being told he has to drop out of school to pay child support? that was the last straw. Add in the fact they ahd a greement on a amount he was going to pay but the judge threw it out.

 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
While I don't know all the details of this judge's ruling, it's definitely excessive. But if the MFer was earning six figures before going back to school and had a master's degree, the moron could have just dropped out and gotten a high paying job that pays for school part time. I'm sure he could find a school where he can still take night classes instead of cold blooded murder. This fckface should receive the death penalty and not be allowed to live.
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I suspect high energy particle physics isn't the kind of docterate you can just drop in the middle of and continue at some night school paper-mill designed to get you that checkbox at your current job to get a small salary boost. Murder isn't right. Neither was this case. Murder still wasn't justified.
 
Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
While I don't know all the details of this judge's ruling, it's definitely excessive. But if the MFer was earning six figures before going back to school and had a master's degree, the moron could have just dropped out and gotten a high paying job that pays for school part time. I'm sure he could find a school where he can still take night classes instead of cold blooded murder. This fckface should receive the death penalty and not be allowed to live.
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I suspect high energy particle physics isn't the kind of docterate you can just drop in the middle of and continue at some night school paper-mill designed to get you that checkbox at your current job to get a small salary boost. Murder isn't right. Neither was this case. Murder still wasn't justified.
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You're definitely right, a pHD in something that niche probably can't be done part time. I have worked with guys who have gotten their pHD in microbio/biochem part time, however. In any event I think we also agree that he could have put his phD on hold for awhile until he saved for a few years and it was more feasible.

The thing that some of you guys don't realize is that a good chunk of that money DOES go to the child. You act like the mom is feeding the kid just bread and water and not paying for anything else for the child such as schooling, daycare, activities, clothing, food. You act like the money is just stolen from you and fail to realize the big picture which is the welfare of your child.

 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
While I don't know all the details of this judge's ruling, it's definitely excessive. But if the MFer was earning six figures before going back to school and had a master's degree, the moron could have just dropped out and gotten a high paying job that pays for school part time. I'm sure he could find a school where he can still take night classes instead of cold blooded murder. This fckface should receive the death penalty and not be allowed to live.

Edit: I know an officer (friend of mine) who works at the Pentagon and pays $900 in child support. He doesn't make all that much, but he's doing fine and never talks about murdering his daughter's mom. This fcker had the potential to out earn my buddy by 40K+. There is no excuse here.
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You don't go to night school at a community college to do graduate research in particle physics.
 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon

The thing that some of you guys don't realize is that a good chunk of that money DOES go to the child. You act like the mom is feeding the kid just bread and water and not paying for anything else for the child such as schooling, daycare, activities, clothing, food. You act like the money is just stolen from you and fail to realize the big picture which is the welfare of your child.
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Dude, I KNOW what it costs to raise a child, do you? $900 is far more than necessary for even all of the costs, much less 1/2 which is how the system purports to work.
 
This is very sad.

Just recently a close friend of mine took his own life leaving behind 2 kids after the exact same thing happened in his divorce proceeding.

He was an employee of Ford Motor and got laid off from a 6 figure job. Out of work for over a year and unable to find work he took a job making 60k or so. During the court proceeding the judge made the alimony/child support based on his higher earnings of the past.

He was very depressed facing unpayable support payments and ended up taking his own life.

Basically he was going to be put in jail for being unable to pay support on money he couldn't even make anymore.

The system needs to be overhauled when it comes to support.

 
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: SP33Demon

The thing that some of you guys don't realize is that a good chunk of that money DOES go to the child. You act like the mom is feeding the kid just bread and water and not paying for anything else for the child such as schooling, daycare, activities, clothing, food. You act like the money is just stolen from you and fail to realize the big picture which is the welfare of your child.
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Dude, I KNOW what it costs to raise a child, do you? $900 is far more than necessary for even all of the costs, much less 1/2 which is how the system purports to work.
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So you know if this kid was in a private school or not, or had daycare? You know the amount they were contributing for the 529? You know how much the woman's rent was? You know whether the child had a medical condition or not and what type of health insurance plan the child had? Some examples of any number of factors that could have influenced the judge's ruling. Just because we think it's excessive doesn't mean we have all the facts, and any one of those factors are possibilities.

Yet I digress, the main point of my post above is that some of you act like the woman is just stealing the money and it's not going to anything good. You had sex, so man the fvck up and pay. You may be angry now but your anger should subside when you think about your child. Killing your child's other parent means you're nothing but a selfish fck who only cares about themselves and never gave 2 shts about your child (who should be #1 in your life).
 
Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Erm, why has everyone made this story about the judge and not the guy who unjustifiably shot his wife?
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I'll take because if the judge wasn't such a worthless piece of shit then he'd probably never had shot the wife for $500 alex.
 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon




So you know if this kid was in a private school or not, or had daycare? You know the amount they were contributing for the 529? You know how much the woman's rent was? You know whether the child had a medical condition or not and what type of health insurance plan the child had? Some examples of any number of factors that could have influenced the judge's ruling. Just because we think it's excessive doesn't mean we have all the facts, and any one of those factors are possibilities.
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My daughter goes to a private school, and needs diabetic supplies that are paid for with cash, and it doesn't take $900 per month, much less the theoretical $1,800 if you take both parents into account. Stop being an apologist for a broken system. The whole thing is set up to redistribute wealth, with common sense, and doing the right not being at all a part of the equation.

When someone extorts money from you, you eliminate the threat to your well being, and livelihood. What he did was absolutely rational, and justified. He just stopped short of what was necessary...
 
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: SP33Demon

So you know if this kid was in a private school or not, or had daycare? You know the amount they were contributing for the 529? You know how much the woman's rent was? You know whether the child had a medical condition or not and what type of health insurance plan the child had? Some examples of any number of factors that could have influenced the judge's ruling. Just because we think it's excessive doesn't mean we have all the facts, and any one of those factors are possibilities.
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My daughter goes to a private school, and needs diabetic supplies that are paid for with cash, and it doesn't take $900 per month, much less the theoretical $1,800 if you take both parents into account. Stop being an apologist for a broken system. The whole thing is set up to redistribute wealth, with common sense, and doing the right not being at all a part of the equation.

When someone extorts money from you, you eliminate the threat to your well being, and livelihood. What he did was absolutely rational, and justified. He just stopped short of what was necessary...
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Wow, it's clear that you aren't thinking logically and choose to keep the blinders on. Who said it should be 50/50? If the ruling was taking into account a 100K salary vs her 25K, there's a huge discrepancy right there: he is going to have to pay more. Furthermore, he's expected to pay some of her bills indirectly because it's providing shelter for the child.

Courts have held that it is acceptable for child support payments to be used to indirectly benefit the custodial parent. For example, child support monies may be used to heat the child's residence, even if this means that other people also benefit from living in a heated home.[26]
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Reread the factors I wrote above and the costs could easily balloon to 1100 when you take into account the kid's college savings plan, clothes, food, shelter/bills/rent for mom, medical costs, private school/daycare costs; especially considering the fact the father is going to pay 4X more than her. Under normal circumstances I think that 900 may be excessive but admit I don't know all the facts of this case, something you're too ignorant to admit as well.

The main crux of the issue was the judge ruling that he had to pay based off of a salary he no longer received, I could easily prove that $900 is fine if he's paying 4X as much and you had enough factors.
 
A tragedy for all involved. What strikes me as very sad is that this man clearly had a history of being
seriously depressed prior to this ruling and whatever treatment he'd received wasn't helping him. Obviously
I can't DX this guy but a PH.D candidate doesn't just up and do something like this unless his thinking and judgment
have been seriously impaired. How very, very, sad all of this is.
 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: SP33Demon

So you know if this kid was in a private school or not, or had daycare? You know the amount they were contributing for the 529? You know how much the woman's rent was? You know whether the child had a medical condition or not and what type of health insurance plan the child had? Some examples of any number of factors that could have influenced the judge's ruling. Just because we think it's excessive doesn't mean we have all the facts, and any one of those factors are possibilities.
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My daughter goes to a private school, and needs diabetic supplies that are paid for with cash, and it doesn't take $900 per month, much less the theoretical $1,800 if you take both parents into account. Stop being an apologist for a broken system. The whole thing is set up to redistribute wealth, with common sense, and doing the right not being at all a part of the equation.

When someone extorts money from you, you eliminate the threat to your well being, and livelihood. What he did was absolutely rational, and justified. He just stopped short of what was necessary...
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Wow, it's clear that you aren't thinking logically and choose to keep the blinders on. Who said it should be 50/50? If the ruling was taking into account a 100K salary vs her 25K, there's a huge discrepancy right there: he is going to have to pay more. Furthermore, he's expected to pay some of her bills indirectly because it's providing shelter for the child.

Courts have held that it is acceptable for child support payments to be used to indirectly benefit the custodial parent. For example, child support monies may be used to heat the child's residence, even if this means that other people also benefit from living in a heated home.[26]
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Reread the factors I wrote above and the costs could easily balloon to 1100 when you take into account the kid's college savings plan, clothes, food, shelter/bills/rent for mom, medical costs, private school/daycare costs; especially considering the fact the father is going to pay 4X more than her. Under normal circumstances I think that 900 may be excessive but admit I don't know all the facts of this case, something you're too ignorant to admit as well.

The main crux of the issue was the judge ruling that he had to pay based off of a salary he no longer received, I could easily prove that $900 is fine if he's paying 4X as much and you had enough factors.
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So you continue to apologize for a broken system... Who has the blinders on?

I don't need the facts to this particular case. I know how the system works in general, and I know how it's worked with me in particular. I don't especially care what the LAW says, legality has nothing to do with what's moral or right. The system's irreconcilably broken, and there's no possible justification that can be made in defense of it.
 
Originally posted by: amddude
Originally posted by: ModerateRepZero
Originally posted by: Modular
How can you only make that much money and still survive in CA? Unpossible.
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are you referring to his salary as a researcher? 😕 prior to going back to school he was earning 6-figures....
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Ok but you can't take money someone isn't earning. The ex could have petitioned for a modification in support after he got a real job. What if he had been laid off? Would they demand the same sum on the hope he might someday have a job again?
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Yes. Child support continues even if the parent is unemployed, and I've heard that you can be forced to take out loans to cover the payments....
 
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