U.S. tests say chemicals not weapons

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: bentwookie

Originally posted by: BDawg
But rockets, barrels found separately remain suspicious

April 8 ? U.S. military forces in Iraq were reported Monday to have uncovered at least two caches of what may be banned chemical weapons ? barrels of chemicals buried outside an agricultural compound near Karbala and medium-range rockets found in a warehouse south of Baghdad. More sophisticated U.S. tests later indicated that the chemicals in the barrels were not chemical weapons agents, but U.S. troops found more barrels of suspicious substances on Tuesday.

Wouldn't it be ironic if there actually weren't any chemical/biological weapons in Iraq?

they're probably in syria or turkey already.

Syria is a very good bet. Probably not Turkey, not state supported anyway.

 

[SuperTool]

If Iraq had any WMD worth using, they would have used them by now. They would not have gone through 12 years of UN sanctions just to preserve WMD's only to not use them when they were attacked.

 

[HappyGamer2]

<FONT face=Verdana size=1>bjc112



reasons:
re-election
revenge
poll ratings
new world order
keep peoples minds off the economy
look tuff to his followers

look at what our presidents father was, big CIA man that was so slippery that tricky dick could not stomach him
a new a new world order</FONT>

 

[Corn]

If Iraq had any WMD worth using, they would have used them by now. They would not have gone through 12 years of UN sanctions just to preserve WMD's only to not use them when they were attacked.

So I take it that when we do locate banned weapons, it'll all be a Bush conspiracy, right? I mean, after all, you're a clairvoyant, you know how Saddam thinks!

Perhaps Saddam decided not to use WMD's to sell the gullible exactly what it is you are shoveling.


Naa, Saddam's a bright guy, but he can't out smart you!

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Corn

If Iraq had any WMD worth using, they would have used them by now. They would not have gone through 12 years of UN sanctions just to preserve WMD's only to not use them when they were attacked.

So I take it that when we do locate banned weapons, it'll all be a Bush conspiracy, right? I mean, after all, you're a clairvoyant, you know how Saddam thinks!

Perhaps Saddam decided not to use WMD's to sell the gullible exactly what it is you are shoveling.

Naa, Saddam's a bright guy, but he can't out smart you!

Yeah, that makes sense. With US about to kill him, Saddam doesn't use WMD because he cares what I think. You are saying Saddam is a sensitive guy who doesn't want to hurt our feelings?. LOL. Do you even read the gibberish you post here? You are the one who swallowed every single lie Bush told you to justify this war. Well, where is the WMD? And why didn't Saddam use it? Bush's contention was that Saddam is a madman who could use WMD's without provocation and we need to take him out because of that. Well, we gave him plenty of reason to use them, and he hasn't done so? So there goes that lie.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2

reasons:
re-election

Would be true of any President in this situation

revenge

Hunh? Oh, you mean because his father and former President didn't take Saddam out of the picture in 1991? Well, that was not the goal back then. The goal the U.N. stated was to remove Saddam from Kuwait and then the U.N. forced him to disarm as part of the cease-fire agreement (which Saddam broke).

poll ratings

Pfffft...as if. If President Bush cared about poll ratings he'd have kowtowed to the public months ago

new world order

And the problem with democratic rule across the world is.....

keep peoples minds off the economy

Considering the economy is down due to many reasons (primary being the bust of the formerly and highly overpriced tech sector and the terror attacks of Sept. 11), your statement is nothing but pure rhetoric.

look tuff to his followers

Uhhh...yeah.....right

look at what our presidents father was, big CIA man that was so slippery that tricky dick could not stomach him
a new a new world order

Were you complaining just as much when Bill Clinton launched cruise missiles into Iraq in 1998? Were you complaining just as much when Bill Clinton launched air strikes in Kosovo in 1999?

 

[HappyGamer2]

conur
are you saying old man bush wasn't a big CIA man? are you saying Nixon didn't like him?, are you saying old man bush didn't say a new a new world order?

 

[Insane3D]

You are a fvcking idiot, do you really think our troops set the oil wells on fire? Due us all a favor and more to Iraq so we can shove a JDAM up your ass.

You don't agree with him, and that is fine. However, I seem to recall the rules of this forum including something along the lines of no personal attacks. If you can't discuss something in a civil way, please refrain from such inflammatory posts that don't serve any purpose.

Edit:

From the forum rules thread stickied up top of this forum.

3. Please respect your fellow members. PERSONAL ATTACKS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

You are a fvcking idiot, do you really think our troops set the oil wells on fire? Due us all a favor and more to Iraq so we can shove a JDAM up your ass.

You don't agree with him, and that is fine. However, I seem to recall the rules of this forum including something along the lines of no personal attacks. If you can't discuss something in a civil way, please refrain from such inflammatory posts that don't serve any purpose.

Edit:

From the forum rules thread stickied up top of this forum.

3. Please respect your fellow members. PERSONAL ATTACKS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

This was brought up in Forum Issues today, why the mods don't enforce the rules here. It was locked without comment.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
conur
are you saying old man bush wasn't a big CIA man? are you saying Nixon didn't like him?, are you saying old man bush didn't say a new a new world order?

No...now answer my questions and/or respond to my responses...or are you going to be another Morph?

 

[HappyGamer2]

sean2002 needs a cooling off period too

 

[HappyGamer2]

conjur, you actually think bush isn't worried about getting re-elected, heck he was running for re-election before he took the oath
did bush says something about that saddam tried to kill his daddy, and the way he said it was like he was out to get him
oh old man bush tried to saddam first, don't take that as I am sticking up for saddam people , but it is the truth

 

[Corn]

You are saying Saddam is a sensitive guy who doesn't want to hurt our feelings?.

I said nothing of the sort. You must have an interesting case of dyslexia....

I merely mocked your supposition of what Saddam would, or would not do, given the current circumstances. Perhaps he would rather go down as a martyr instead of a villian? I don't know, and surely neither do you!

Do you even read the gibberish you post here?

Evidenly you don't either. LOL!!!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
conjur, you actually think bush isn't worried about getting re-elected, heck he was running for re-election before he took the oath
did bush says something about that saddam tried to kill his daddy, and the way he said it was like he was out to get him
oh old man bush tried to saddam first, don't take that as I am sticking up for saddam people , but it is the truth

Yes, ladies and gents...I introduce to you, Morph Jr.!

Another person who suffers from a reading comprehension problem and refuses to answer questions directly posed of them.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
conjur, you actually think bush isn't worried about getting re-elected, heck he was running for re-election before he took the oath
did bush says something about that saddam tried to kill his daddy, and the way he said it was like he was out to get him
oh old man bush tried to saddam first, don't take that as I am sticking up for saddam people , but it is the truth

Yes, ladies and gents...I introduce to you, Morph Jr.!

Another person who suffers from a reading comprehension problem and refuses to answer questions directly posed of them.

I'm thinking that jaeger66 is also a good candidate for that title too Conjur

 

[HappyGamer2]

LOL, at least I don't get hot headed and call people names or idiots or swear

 

[HappyGamer2]

hey at least somebody goes against the crowd or we would have a one sided group think here

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
LOL, at least I don't get hot headed and call people names or idiots or swear

Yeah...that makes you less of a troll

Seriously...you need to go back and re-read my post.

 

[HappyGamer2]

ya I re read your post, ? what about it? you have your opinion and I have mine, they don't match, no big deal

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
ya I re read your post, ? what about it? you have your opinion and I have mine, they don't match, no big deal

Well, you were making it a big deal and were making statements that had nothing to do with I posted or you were putting words in my mouth. And, besides, you still haven't answered my questions.

<cue Final Jeopardy music>

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I think the military has the potential to do great things in the world . . . BUT, they clearly lack field expertise in chemical analysis. I assume they called up civilian specialists to do field tests . . . maybe they have their own specialists. Regardless, every country with pests . . . is likely to use some form of pest control . . . likely an organophosphate pesticide which is inherently dangerous to humans and easily confused with recognized chemical weapons.

NOTE: The #1 method of suicide amongst rural Chinese women is consumption of these pesticides.

While I think the embed thing is novel, the US military should IMMEDIATELY begin the suppression of ALL information linked to potential chemical weapons caches. When they find suspicious material they should catalog it, analyze it, and send samples DIRECTLY to Blix's team and at least two other labs (preferably French, German, Russian, Japanese, Swedish, or hell send some to Iran and Syria). I do not consider the simple presence of chemical weapons sufficient to justify our invasion BUT our government must do a better job of handling the process of discovery. We cannot keep yelling VOILA, followed by "umm suspicious", followed by "umm maybe?", followed by "OK, maybe not but we KNOW it's here!"

Turkey connection maybe

why worry about Turkey? (Accurate and unflattering portrait of Germany)

The Hague II Convention reaffirmed the provisions on chemical weapons usage and widened the restraints by prohibiting the use of poison or poisoned weapons. Hague II included a clause for the avoidance of projectiles, weapons, and materials that could cause unnecessary suffering. Hague II, like Hague I, had no provision for enforcement. Prior to World War I, all of the future belligerents except Italy, the US, and Turkey were signatories of Hague II.

I wonder if we revealed where ALL our goodies are kept (Anybody remember Cuba's Chemical Weapons factory trumpeted by Bushies before and during Carter's trip?)

MIAMI - Observers here find it somewhat bizarre that international inspectors were to begin checking out U.S. chemical weapons facilities this past June but apparently have no plans to examine a factory in East Havana, Cuba, which at least one Cuban defector says is a chemical/biological weapons (CBW) plant.

The reason for the inspection in this country is because the United States has notified the world Organization for Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) that it has chemical weapons on hand. No other country has made such an acknowledgment, although several countries-especially Iraq-are believed to have had chemical weapons.

 

[Insane3D]

Now now children...don't make me send you to opposite corners of the forum for a time out.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Corn

You are saying Saddam is a sensitive guy who doesn't want to hurt our feelings?.

I said nothing of the sort. You must have an interesting case of dyslexia....

I merely mocked your supposition of what Saddam would, or would not do, given the current circumstances. Perhaps he would rather go down as a martyr instead of a villian? I don't know, and surely neither do you!

Yes, but we know that Saddam has not used WMD's and WMD has not yet been found. So basically the scare tactics of this administration that Saddam would out of nowhere attack us with his WMD or that he is hiding WMD aren't holding much water as of now.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: iamWolverine

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: iamWolverine

You think I am disconnected from reality? Perhaps you didn't hear the reports that came out that American "special forces" were responsible for much of the oil spills in the first Gulf War. Again I would not be surprised if it was special forces that set the oil fires in this war.

You can't come up here and make exaggerated statements like that without backing it up.

Let's see the links.

You are all so willing to believe the crap that comes out of mainstream media, but once I say something you begin to doubt me . . . that's a good thing that you doubt me, but you should also strongly doubt the mainstream media, like the initial reports of Iraqi soldiers destroying incubators in Kuwait which was a complete fabrication (those you should easily be able to find links for yourself, just do the searching).
As for the oil fields, look here

ROFLMAO. You have to be kidding, either that or you've got your little tin foil hat wrapped a bit too tight. That stupid little article references not a single valid source, document, or photograph. Anyone can make wild claims and include supposed quotes from "sources and insiders" but only the ignorant believe them.

Yes but here is anothere page where that same website suggests you need to watch Bill Frist, he might be the anti-christ......

 

[HappyGamer2]

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reasons:
re-election
revenge
poll ratings
new world order
keep peoples minds off the economy
look tuff to his followers

look at what our presidents father was, big CIA man that was so slippery that tricky dick could not stomach him
a new a new world order</FONT>

conjur, the post was not directed to you, it was to bjc112
who has a reading problem here? go back and read my and some other peoples posts