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U.S. ambassador to Libya killed in Benghazi attack

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hillary and bark are pathetic, they condemned the movie. What ever happened to freedom of speech yet at the same time a movie insulting Christians came out, hypocrites
 
cybrsage said:
...torn down brick by brick until no believers remain...

Sounds like force to me..but I am not afflicted by the "religion is bad for the planet" disease known to addle the brain which is why I can see it and you cannot.
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^^
Non impediti ratione cogitatonis...as it were.
 
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Obama is responsible for the deaths of the US ambassador and the other three staff members even tho he wasn't the one that pulled the trigger on the RPG. But Obama isn't responsible for the death of Osama bin Laden because he wasn't the one that that pulled the trigger.
 
her209 said:
Obama is responsible for the deaths of the US ambassador and the other three staff members even tho he wasn't the one that pulled the trigger on the RPG. But Obama isn't responsible for the death of Osama bin Laden because he wasn't the one that that pulled the trigger.
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Those deaths could have been prevented but obama only cares about protecting one religion
 
her209 said:
Obama is responsible for the deaths of the US ambassador and the other three staff members even tho he wasn't the one that pulled the trigger on the RPG. But Obama isn't responsible for the death of Osama bin Laden because he wasn't the one that that pulled the trigger.
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But you see, from the mind of a fringe rightie, it makes perfect sense because either way, it works against Obama, and to those folks that's all that really matters. The facts don't matter, the truth doesn't matter, all that matters is the satisfaction they get from heaping ignorance borne hate and misguided disdain on Obama.

Thank goodness there are at least a few righties in this forum where facts and the pursuit of finding the truth about things really do matter to them.
 
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More ignorance details on the attitude of the State Department

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. security officer twice asked his State Department superiors for more security agents for the American mission in Benghazi months before an attack that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans, but he got no response.

The officer, Eric Nordstrom, who was based in Tripoli until about two months before the September attack, said a State Department official, Charlene Lamb, wanted to keep the number of U.S. security personnel in Benghazi "artificially low," according to a memo summarizing his comments to a congressional committee that was obtained by Reuters.

Nordstrom also argued for more U.S. security in Libya by citing a chronology of over 200 security incidents there from militia gunfights to bomb attacks between June 2011 and July 2012. Forty-eight of the incidents were in Benghazi.

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EagleKeeper said:
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Ever had a debriefing after an incident where you were told what you should have done and you bit your lip because YOU WERE THERE AND IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE?

Me too, now you are getting it from a third party looking for bits and pieces.

Don't be such a fucking tool, stand with those who would stand with you.

Fuck politics, they did their best until you can fucking show me they didn't, until you have actual evidence i suggest you shut the fuck up about it.

On another note, if one would want to acquire a plane in the us for a higher altitude jump (30k+) who would i talk to? Gots to be a reliable pilot, i'll provide the aircraft and airtime as well as starting and landing points.

Mostly just a real high kick to an arse that has been bugging me for a long time and a fun thing to relive for the rest of us in the 401'st.
 
You know it is so easy to sit here and judge the administration handling after the fact. but the reality is we were not their and at that time.
 
EXman said:
Sure it is because a video...
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Of course not, not to a conspiracy theorist, 9/11--- clearly jews did it

This... clearly jews did it and the guy who they found the video material along with the edited stuff and voice overs was just a plant...

you so smaat.

Vote Ron WHO?
 
DCal430 said:
You know it is so easy to sit here and judge the administration handling after the fact. but the reality is we were not their and at that time.
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the issue is that again; those who are on the front lines are able to see what is needed to get the job done.

The REMF refuse to listen because it does not dovetail with what they want to see through their rose colored glasses.
 
EagleKeeper said:
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According to a story on this morning's news, the State Department denies this. Further, it asserts the weak security was because Republicans cut its budget for security.

I don't know where the truth lies. I do know I'm disgusted with slime on both sides who are trying to exploit this tragedy for political points.
 
Bowfinger said:
According to a story on this morning's news, the State Department denies this. Further, it asserts the weak security was because Republicans cut its budget for security.

I don't know where the truth lies. I do know I'm disgusted with slime on both sides who are trying to exploit this tragedy for political points.
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I don't know where it does either. How can we? I may grant that State may be telling the truth regarding notification, but security in a high risk area wasn't provided due to Republican budget cuts? Sorry, but that strains credulity.

The only thing that's certain was that the potential for real trouble was misjudged by someone, and I can't lay blame at anyone's feet because I don't know who is responsible for what is clearly a failure to anticipate.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
I don't know where it does either. How can we? I may grant that State may be telling the truth regarding notification, but security in a high risk area wasn't provided due to Republican budget cuts? Sorry, but that strains credulity.

The only thing that's certain was that the potential for real trouble was misjudged by someone, and I can't lay blame at anyone's feet because I don't know who is responsible for what is clearly a failure to anticipate.
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Decisions are made about levels of security at various consulates across the world all the time. They never seem relevant unless or until an incident like this occurs, then of course, heads will have to roll. The GOP will of course try to use this politically in the election, and the administration will similarly do something like fire a middle manager in the State Department as a political scapegoat. I think an objective investigation should be done to determine what went wrong and how it might be possible to avoid it in the future. However, I tend to agree with Bowfinger that the politicizing of the incident is pretty repulsive. Repulsive, but unfortunately not at all unexpected.

- wolf
 
woolfe9999 said:
Decisions are made about levels of security at various consulates across the world all the time. They never seem relevant unless or until an incident like this occurs, then of course, heads will have to roll. The GOP will of course try to use this politically in the election, and the administration will similarly do something like fire a middle manager in the State Department as a political scapegoat. I think an objective investigation should be done to determine what went wrong and how it might be possible to avoid it in the future. However, I tend to agree with Bowfinger that the politicizing of the incident is pretty repulsive. Repulsive, but unfortunately not at all unexpected.

- wolf
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I agree with the partisan hackery sentiment, however there does not seem to be any indication that security commensurate with the location was taken into account. EK has pointed out that the host nation has significant responsibility regarding the protection of consulates, however disregarding D vs. R, I still believe someone did not do their job. I'm not interested in making hay for or against any party, but if an investigation determines that there was genuine failure, then whoever is responsible should be held accountable. Hopefully there are lessons learned here and this won't happen again. I still do not buy the argument that funding prevented any proactive measures however.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
I agree with the partisan hackery sentiment, however there does not seem to be any indication that security commensurate with the location was taken into account. EK has pointed out that the host nation has significant responsibility regarding the protection of consulates, however disregarding D vs. R, I still believe someone did not do their job. I'm not interested in making hay for or against any party, but if an investigation determines that there was genuine failure, then whoever is responsible should be held accountable. Hopefully there are lessons learned here and this won't happen again. I still do not buy the argument that funding prevented any proactive measures however.
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Yeah I'm just not sure. The budgetary constraints for the State Department and the attendant controversy were publicized before this incident.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/p...budget_request_may_be_dead_on_arrival_on_hill

You might argue that consulate security is the last thing they should cut, but then again, we don't know exactly what their other priorities were. Security, like anything else, is apportioned based on cost-benefit (or risk-benefit). It's not like they know in advance there will be an attack.

That said, there may well have been poor risk-assessment on someone's part. An investigation should aim to improve safety in the future. Firings are all well and good I suppose, as a palliative for the public and as political damage control, even if they don't really solve any problems.

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So the spin now is that this occurred because of budget cutbacks? The attempt now is to explain away the incessant lying for political purposes by the Obama administration by spinning it as the result of a cost saving measure and blaming that on Republicans?

Only the faithful will believe this. But text it to your friends on your Obamaphone. They'll be right on board with this one.

Pathetic.
 
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