Tyson Foods Drops Labor Day For Muslim Holiday Instead

[QuicknDirty]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spacejamz

I figured out that much on my own about Socio....but I still think it sucks for the 500 non-muslims who probably observed Labor day with the rest of the country.

What will happen when this union contract is up? Will Christmas and Easter be next on the list? heck, why don't they just replace all of the US holidays with Muslim ones?

Sorry, little Sally but daddy can't celebrate Thanksgiving/Christmas with you because he doesn't have it off anymore, but you can skip school on the next Muslim holiday we have so we can go to IHOP...

Yeah, but what about it sucking for the majority of the workers when they had to work on their holidays? It's a private business making a deal with their workers so the greatest number of them can observe the days off that they want to. I can't even believe this is an issue. They aren't even replacing some religious holidays with others, they are changing a day that Americans observe by having a barbecue with one that has serious religious significance to them. If this were anything else but some Muslim thing nobody would care.

These workers are working in another country that already has their established holidays. No one made them come to the US. If observing their holidays really meant that much to them, then maybe moving to another country was not such a good idea...

And no one is making the MINORITY number of employees that aren't happy with the change keep their current employment either- if they aren't happy they are free to tear their ass out the door, are they not?

But instead, lets cloud the issue with silly remarks about dropping Xmas or Thanksgiving, and stating that if people don't like it they should go back to their own damn country and other comments.

Seriously, this is starting to remind me of people that don't understand why Mexico doesn't celebrate the 4th of July (and how Bush managed to get elected not once but TWICE). LMAO.

I'm sure Socio is happy someone else is goose stepping up right behind him in his absence.

WTF

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spacejamz

I figured out that much on my own about Socio....but I still think it sucks for the 500 non-muslims who probably observed Labor day with the rest of the country.

What will happen when this union contract is up? Will Christmas and Easter be next on the list? heck, why don't they just replace all of the US holidays with Muslim ones?

Sorry, little Sally but daddy can't celebrate Thanksgiving/Christmas with you because he doesn't have it off anymore, but you can skip school on the next Muslim holiday we have so we can go to IHOP...

Yeah, but what about it sucking for the majority of the workers when they had to work on their holidays? It's a private business making a deal with their workers so the greatest number of them can observe the days off that they want to. I can't even believe this is an issue. They aren't even replacing some religious holidays with others, they are changing a day that Americans observe by having a barbecue with one that has serious religious significance to them. If this were anything else but some Muslim thing nobody would care.

These workers are working in another country that already has their established holidays. No one made them come to the US. If observing their holidays really meant that much to them, then maybe moving to another country was not such a good idea...

Moving from Somalia not a good idea?? Bwuahahahaha:laugh:

It's a Union thing it's not even the company. They were given an opportunity to choose a holiday and they choose one different than Labor Day, what's the problem? If the other employees don't like it they can find employment elsewhere. I know if it bothered me as much as it seems to bother you and Socio I'd look elsewhere. Maybe a Pork Processing Plant

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: QuicknDirty

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spacejamz

I figured out that much on my own about Socio....but I still think it sucks for the 500 non-muslims who probably observed Labor day with the rest of the country.

What will happen when this union contract is up? Will Christmas and Easter be next on the list? heck, why don't they just replace all of the US holidays with Muslim ones?

Sorry, little Sally but daddy can't celebrate Thanksgiving/Christmas with you because he doesn't have it off anymore, but you can skip school on the next Muslim holiday we have so we can go to IHOP...

Yeah, but what about it sucking for the majority of the workers when they had to work on their holidays? It's a private business making a deal with their workers so the greatest number of them can observe the days off that they want to. I can't even believe this is an issue. They aren't even replacing some religious holidays with others, they are changing a day that Americans observe by having a barbecue with one that has serious religious significance to them. If this were anything else but some Muslim thing nobody would care.

These workers are working in another country that already has their established holidays. No one made them come to the US. If observing their holidays really meant that much to them, then maybe moving to another country was not such a good idea...

And no one is making the MINORITY number of employees that aren't happy with the change keep their current employment either- if they aren't happy they are free to tear their ass out the door, are they not?

But instead, lets cloud the issue with silly remarks about dropping Xmas and Easter, and stating that if people don't like it they should go back to their own damn country and other comments.

I'm sure Socio is happy someone else is goose stepping up right behind him in his absence.

WTF

how is making a remark about dropping Xmas and Easter silly? if it happened to Labor Day, why can't the Union ask for other holidays as well in future negotiations??

In my opinion, you are letting your hate for socio cloud your opinion on this matter. For the record, I am not on a Muslim hating tirade here just in case you didn't notice...

so 500 US workers should quit and find new jobs because 700 immigrant workers came in and demanded a new holiday to replace an nationally recognized and observed one one??

And I love how you changed the tone of my post to 'Go back to their own damn country'...that was pretty slick. how you got that from "No one made them come to the US. If observing their holidays really meant that much to them, then maybe moving to another country was not such a good idea..." is beyond me...sorry for trying to keep the discussion civil...

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spacejamz

I figured out that much on my own about Socio....but I still think it sucks for the 500 non-muslims who probably observed Labor day with the rest of the country.

What will happen when this union contract is up? Will Christmas and Easter be next on the list? heck, why don't they just replace all of the US holidays with Muslim ones?

Sorry, little Sally but daddy can't celebrate Thanksgiving/Christmas with you because he doesn't have it off anymore, but you can skip school on the next Muslim holiday we have so we can go to IHOP...

Yeah, but what about it sucking for the majority of the workers when they had to work on their holidays? It's a private business making a deal with their workers so the greatest number of them can observe the days off that they want to. I can't even believe this is an issue. They aren't even replacing some religious holidays with others, they are changing a day that Americans observe by having a barbecue with one that has serious religious significance to them. If this were anything else but some Muslim thing nobody would care.

These workers are working in another country that already has their established holidays. No one made them come to the US. If observing their holidays really meant that much to them, then maybe moving to another country was not such a good idea...

Moving from Somalia not a good idea?? Bwuahahahaha:laugh:

It's a Union thing it's not even the company. They were given an opportunity to choose a holiday and they choose one different than Labor Day, what's the problem? If the other employees don't like it they can find employment elsewhere. I know if it bothered me as much as it seems to bother you and Socio I'd look elsewhere. Maybe a Pork Processing Plant

okay, so if they wanted to leave Somalia because it was so bad, they should have left the Somalian holidays behind as well...

are they going to try and make Somalian currency the standard in Tennessee as well? Oh wait, they had to adapt and accept US currency while living here...

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-

Are you arguing that forced assimilation through police mandated holiday observance is a good thing?

Is this a "forest for the trees" thing?

Take one line and the entire the larger point?

The point is to demonstrate other people, both here and abroad do see participation in cultural events as important to assimilating.

Funny, you didn't mention the line about Arab/Muslim attitudes on that issue.

Fern

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spacejamz

I figured out that much on my own about Socio....but I still think it sucks for the 500 non-muslims who probably observed Labor day with the rest of the country.

What will happen when this union contract is up? Will Christmas and Easter be next on the list? heck, why don't they just replace all of the US holidays with Muslim ones?

Sorry, little Sally but daddy can't celebrate Thanksgiving/Christmas with you because he doesn't have it off anymore, but you can skip school on the next Muslim holiday we have so we can go to IHOP...

Yeah, but what about it sucking for the majority of the workers when they had to work on their holidays? It's a private business making a deal with their workers so the greatest number of them can observe the days off that they want to. I can't even believe this is an issue. They aren't even replacing some religious holidays with others, they are changing a day that Americans observe by having a barbecue with one that has serious religious significance to them. If this were anything else but some Muslim thing nobody would care.

These workers are working in another country that already has their established holidays. No one made them come to the US. If observing their holidays really meant that much to them, then maybe moving to another country was not such a good idea...

Moving from Somalia not a good idea?? Bwuahahahaha:laugh:

It's a Union thing it's not even the company. They were given an opportunity to choose a holiday and they choose one different than Labor Day, what's the problem? If the other employees don't like it they can find employment elsewhere. I know if it bothered me as much as it seems to bother you and Socio I'd look elsewhere. Maybe a Pork Processing Plant

okay, so if they wanted to leave Somalia because it was so bad, they should have left the Somalian holidays behind as well...

are they going to try and make Somalian currency the standard in Tennessee as well? Oh wait, they had to adapt and accept US currency while living here...

So what you're saying is that we should pass a law banning the practice of certain cultural and religious customs and holidays, is that it?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spacejamz

I figured out that much on my own about Socio....but I still think it sucks for the 500 non-muslims who probably observed Labor day with the rest of the country.

What will happen when this union contract is up? Will Christmas and Easter be next on the list? heck, why don't they just replace all of the US holidays with Muslim ones?

Sorry, little Sally but daddy can't celebrate Thanksgiving/Christmas with you because he doesn't have it off anymore, but you can skip school on the next Muslim holiday we have so we can go to IHOP...

Yeah, but what about it sucking for the majority of the workers when they had to work on their holidays? It's a private business making a deal with their workers so the greatest number of them can observe the days off that they want to. I can't even believe this is an issue. They aren't even replacing some religious holidays with others, they are changing a day that Americans observe by having a barbecue with one that has serious religious significance to them. If this were anything else but some Muslim thing nobody would care.

These workers are working in another country that already has their established holidays. No one made them come to the US. If observing their holidays really meant that much to them, then maybe moving to another country was not such a good idea...

Moving from Somalia not a good idea?? Bwuahahahaha:laugh:

It's a Union thing it's not even the company. They were given an opportunity to choose a holiday and they choose one different than Labor Day, what's the problem? If the other employees don't like it they can find employment elsewhere. I know if it bothered me as much as it seems to bother you and Socio I'd look elsewhere. Maybe a Pork Processing Plant

okay, so if they wanted to leave Somalia because it was so bad, they should have left the Somalian holidays behind as well...

It's a Muslim Holiday

are they going to try and make Somalian currency the standard in Tennessee as well? Oh wait, they had to adapt and accept US currency while living here...

No shit Sherlock, stop being so obtuse.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spacejamz

I figured out that much on my own about Socio....but I still think it sucks for the 500 non-muslims who probably observed Labor day with the rest of the country.

What will happen when this union contract is up? Will Christmas and Easter be next on the list? heck, why don't they just replace all of the US holidays with Muslim ones?

Sorry, little Sally but daddy can't celebrate Thanksgiving/Christmas with you because he doesn't have it off anymore, but you can skip school on the next Muslim holiday we have so we can go to IHOP...

Yeah, but what about it sucking for the majority of the workers when they had to work on their holidays? It's a private business making a deal with their workers so the greatest number of them can observe the days off that they want to. I can't even believe this is an issue. They aren't even replacing some religious holidays with others, they are changing a day that Americans observe by having a barbecue with one that has serious religious significance to them. If this were anything else but some Muslim thing nobody would care.

These workers are working in another country that already has their established holidays. No one made them come to the US. If observing their holidays really meant that much to them, then maybe moving to another country was not such a good idea...

Moving from Somalia not a good idea?? Bwuahahahaha:laugh:

It's a Union thing it's not even the company. They were given an opportunity to choose a holiday and they choose one different than Labor Day, what's the problem? If the other employees don't like it they can find employment elsewhere. I know if it bothered me as much as it seems to bother you and Socio I'd look elsewhere. Maybe a Pork Processing Plant

okay, so if they wanted to leave Somalia because it was so bad, they should have left the Somalian holidays behind as well...

It's a Muslim Holiday

are they going to try and make Somalian currency the standard in Tennessee as well? Oh wait, they had to adapt and accept US currency while living here...

No shit Sherlock, stop being so obtuse.

if the holiday is celebrated in Somalia, wouldn't that make it a somalian holiday as well???

if they can accept US currency, why can't they accept US Holidays?

how does that phrase about 'when in rome' go?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-

The beauty of America for me is that we are not like other countries. Particularly in this regard.
The point is demonstrate that others, both here and abroad, believe particpating in cultural traditions is important in assimilating.

If one isn't concerned assimilation, fine. But, IMO, it is wrong to say that participing in these local events (holidays) is unrelated to the concept of assimilation,

The restaurant comment is not silly and irrelevant. If a private business is not allowed to determine its own holidays due to cultural or religious reasons, then who is to say that it couldn't take the next step and be blocked from allowing particular products and services for cultural or religious reasons?

Two seperate issues blended together:

1. What a business has a right to do - That's nothing I've commented on; I've never said that they don't have that right. And there's nothing wrong, or unusual with commenting about the wisdom of any businesses' perfecty legal decision. We do it all the time here. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

2. Blocking particular services or products for cultural or religious reasons. The topic of this discussion is not about "goods or services", when will have that issue I'll be happy to discuss it, but it's a seperate matter from this.

This thread is in effect one big anti-capitalist rant.
I try not to confuse the subject of assimilation, holidays or culture with capitalism

See bolded.

Fern

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

if the holiday is celebrated in Somalia, wouldn't that make it a somalian holiday as well???

if they can accept US currency, why can't they accept US Holidays?

They have as most of the Holidays other Americans have off they have off too. We are talking one out of what, eleven? They were given the opportunity to vote, another American tradition that they seemingly embraced and did what Americans do, they voted for their special interest, yet another American Tradition. Seems to me they are assimilating very well.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: spacejamz

if the holiday is celebrated in Somalia, wouldn't that make it a somalian holiday as well???

if they can accept US currency, why can't they accept US Holidays?

They have as most of the Holidays other Americans have off they have off too. We are talking one out of what, eleven? They were given the opportunity to vote, another American tradition that they seemingly embraced and did what Americans do, they voted for their special interest, yet another American Tradition. Seems to me they are assimilating very well.

Today it is one holiday out of 11. How many will be replaced when the union contract runs out and they demand other different holidays be changed? why is that so hard to believe that it could happen again?

Or is that what makes it okay with you today because you not directly are not affected by this? so how would you feel if your company changed one of our traditionally observed holidays so that your wife and kids (if you are married w/ kids) were off on that day and you were off on a different day? would you be okay with that?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: spacejamz

if the holiday is celebrated in Somalia, wouldn't that make it a somalian holiday as well???

if they can accept US currency, why can't they accept US Holidays?

They have as most of the Holidays other Americans have off they have off too. We are talking one out of what, eleven? They were given the opportunity to vote, another American tradition that they seemingly embraced and did what Americans do, they voted for their special interest, yet another American Tradition. Seems to me they are assimilating very well.

Today it is one holiday out of 11. How many will be replaced when the union contract runs out and they demand other different holidays be changed? why is that so hard to believe that it could happen again?

Or is that what makes it okay with you today because you not directly are not affected by this? so how would you feel if your company changed one of our traditionally observed holidays so that your wife and kids (if you are married w/ kids) were off on that day and you were off on a different day? would you be okay with that?

Oh lord, I just noticed you were from Texas too. Do you know Socio personally?

 

[QuicknDirty]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: spacejamz

if the holiday is celebrated in Somalia, wouldn't that make it a somalian holiday as well???

if they can accept US currency, why can't they accept US Holidays?

They have as most of the Holidays other Americans have off they have off too. We are talking one out of what, eleven? They were given the opportunity to vote, another American tradition that they seemingly embraced and did what Americans do, they voted for their special interest, yet another American Tradition. Seems to me they are assimilating very well.

Today it is one holiday out of 11. How many will be replaced when the union contract runs out and they demand other different holidays be changed? why is that so hard to believe that it could happen again?

Or is that what makes it okay with you today because you not directly are not affected by this? so how would you feel if your company changed one of our traditionally observed holidays so that your wife and kids (if you are married w/ kids) were off on that day and you were off on a different day? would you be okay with that?

Oh lord, I just noticed you were from Texas too. Do you know Socio personally?

:thumbsup:

I'm from Texas as well, so don't go assuming there are ONLY race bashers here.

Personally, I'd probably like it better if the wife and kids were off on a different day. But if I didn't, I guess I could always go look for another job.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: QuicknDirty

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: spacejamz

if the holiday is celebrated in Somalia, wouldn't that make it a somalian holiday as well???

if they can accept US currency, why can't they accept US Holidays?

They have as most of the Holidays other Americans have off they have off too. We are talking one out of what, eleven? They were given the opportunity to vote, another American tradition that they seemingly embraced and did what Americans do, they voted for their special interest, yet another American Tradition. Seems to me they are assimilating very well.

Today it is one holiday out of 11. How many will be replaced when the union contract runs out and they demand other different holidays be changed? why is that so hard to believe that it could happen again?

Or is that what makes it okay with you today because you not directly are not affected by this? so how would you feel if your company changed one of our traditionally observed holidays so that your wife and kids (if you are married w/ kids) were off on that day and you were off on a different day? would you be okay with that?

Oh lord, I just noticed you were from Texas too. Do you know Socio personally?

:thumbsup:

I'm from Texas as well, so don't go assuming there are ONLY race bashers here.

Personally, I'd probably like it better if the wife and kids were off on a different day. But if I didn't, I guess I could always go look for another job.

Oh I really don't think spacejamz is a race basher, he has more of a Hank Hill kind of mentality.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: QuicknDirty

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: spacejamz

if the holiday is celebrated in Somalia, wouldn't that make it a somalian holiday as well???

if they can accept US currency, why can't they accept US Holidays?

They have as most of the Holidays other Americans have off they have off too. We are talking one out of what, eleven? They were given the opportunity to vote, another American tradition that they seemingly embraced and did what Americans do, they voted for their special interest, yet another American Tradition. Seems to me they are assimilating very well.

Today it is one holiday out of 11. How many will be replaced when the union contract runs out and they demand other different holidays be changed? why is that so hard to believe that it could happen again?

Or is that what makes it okay with you today because you not directly are not affected by this? so how would you feel if your company changed one of our traditionally observed holidays so that your wife and kids (if you are married w/ kids) were off on that day and you were off on a different day? would you be okay with that?

Oh lord, I just noticed you were from Texas too. Do you know Socio personally?

:thumbsup:

I'm from Texas as well, so don't go assuming there are ONLY race bashers here.

Personally, I'd probably like it better if the wife and kids were off on a different day. But if I didn't, I guess I could always go look for another job.

Oh I really don't think spacejamz is a race basher, he has more of a Hank Hill kind of mentality.

just because your wife and kids don't want to spend time with you on a holiday doesn't mean that most other families feel that way...

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I really don't think spacejamz is a race basher, he has more of a Hank Hill kind of mentality.

just because your wife and kids don't want to spend time with you on a holiday doesn't mean that most other families feel that way...

LOL:laugh:

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't think the goal is to "feel good" so much as it is to call it like I see it. I think the concept of "assimilating" is taken way too far, American culture isn't supposed to be set in stone...and it doesn't have to be exactly the same for everyone. Cultures change and adapt to new ideas, I don't think that's the same thing as "eroding". The only way your objection makes sense is if I accept the idea that the culture of these folks is worse than anything we have right now.

That's a fair point, culture is not set in stone, and it does change and update itself. The way I see it though is that most people who come from other cultures come here because they are trying to escape some hellhole. Optimally America would absorb a small part of their culture into the mix (increasing our diversity), while they would assimilate and absorb a significant portion of existing American culture. That doesn't appear to be happening. And yes, I believe that the culture of these folks *is* worse than our culture. After all, that culture helped create the hellhole they are escaping from. Taking little bits (the good parts!) from the culture makes sense, but establishing that culture as a whole here does not, it just transplants the problem from some other country to this one.

America was founded on principals meant to transcend culture. Cultures rise as civilizations decline. Culture shapes and defines people outwardly in a more primitive manner than civilization which is more of a leap of consciousness that can elevate people and society above culture. The founders represented a leap in consciousness and they knew the Constitution was meaningless without a noble people who were dedicated to its spirit. Unlike the French revolt the American Revolution was not secular despite have secular context and provisions. Now we have a lot of people who think the Constitution is not about liberty and freedom from government oppresions, but about license and protecting their little islands of culture independent of the greater ideals.

Fact is many people are not true Americans in spirit anymore despite the noises to the contrary they make. They are like pod people with their souls sucked out and cant distingusih between culture and civilzation. They dont mind the borders are collpased because now they can go to more little food culture festivals like little culture piglets. The Balkanization of the nation looks like progress to them becuase their consciousness is inverted. Like mushrooms or bacteria these types of thrive on decay and they are not the type that builds and maintains civilsation - especially todays type of de-balled, self hating lib "males". The bad Msulim see them for what they are and know their false virtue is just cowardice.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
America was founded on principals meant to transcend culture. Cultures rise as civilizations decline. Culture shapes and defines people outwardly in a more primitive manner than civilization which is more of a leap of consciousness that can elevate people and society above culture. The founders represented a leap in consciousness and they knew the Constitution was meaningless without a noble people who were dedicated to its meaning. Now we have a lot of people who think the Constitution is not about liberty and freedom from government oppresions, but about license and protecting their little islands of culture independent of the greater idelas.

Fact is many people are not true Americans in spirit anymore despite the noises to the contrary they make. They are like pod people with their souls sucked out and cant distingusih between culture and civilzation. They dont mind the borders are collpased because now they can go to more little food culture festivals like little culture piglets. The Balkanization of the nation looks like progress to them becuase their consciousness is inverted. Like mushrooms or bacteria these types of thrive on decay and they are not the type that builds and maintains civilsation - especially todays type of de-balled, self hating lib "males". The bad Msulim see them for what they are and know their false virtue is just cowardice.

So then you're in favor of letting private employers and employees pick their holidays on their own without govt interference to enforce which holidays are or are not allowed?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't think the goal is to "feel good" so much as it is to call it like I see it. I think the concept of "assimilating" is taken way too far, American culture isn't supposed to be set in stone...and it doesn't have to be exactly the same for everyone. Cultures change and adapt to new ideas, I don't think that's the same thing as "eroding". The only way your objection makes sense is if I accept the idea that the culture of these folks is worse than anything we have right now.

That's a fair point, culture is not set in stone, and it does change and update itself. The way I see it though is that most people who come from other cultures come here because they are trying to escape some hellhole. Optimally America would absorb a small part of their culture into the mix (increasing our diversity), while they would assimilate and absorb a significant portion of existing American culture. That doesn't appear to be happening. And yes, I believe that the culture of these folks *is* worse than our culture. After all, that culture helped create the hellhole they are escaping from. Taking little bits (the good parts!) from the culture makes sense, but establishing that culture as a whole here does not, it just transplants the problem from some other country to this one.

America was founded on principals meant to transcend culture. Cultures rise as civilizations decline. Culture shapes and defines people outwardly in a more primitive manner than civilization which is more of a leap of consciousness that can elevate people and society above culture. The founders represented a leap in consciousness and they knew the Constitution was meaningless without a noble people who were dedicated to its spirit. Unlike the French revolt the American Revolution was not secular despite have secular context and provisions. Now we have a lot of people who think the Constitution is not about liberty and freedom from government oppresions, but about license and protecting their little islands of culture independent of the greater ideals.

Fact is many people are not true Americans in spirit anymore despite the noises to the contrary they make. They are like pod people with their souls sucked out and cant distingusih between culture and civilzation. They dont mind the borders are collpased because now they can go to more little food culture festivals like little culture piglets. The Balkanization of the nation looks like progress to them becuase their consciousness is inverted. Like mushrooms or bacteria these types of thrive on decay and they are not the type that builds and maintains civilsation - especially todays type of de-balled, self hating lib "males". The bad Msulim see them for what they are and know their false virtue is just cowardice.

As the brave Culture Warrior posts from the safe anonymity of his keyboard:laugh:

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: spacejamz

I figured out that much on my own about Socio....but I still think it sucks for the 500 non-muslims who probably observed Labor day with the rest of the country.

What will happen when this union contract is up? Will Christmas and Easter be next on the list? heck, why don't they just replace all of the US holidays with Muslim ones?

Sorry, little Sally but daddy can't celebrate Thanksgiving/Christmas with you because he doesn't have it off anymore, but you can skip school on the next Muslim holiday we have so we can go to IHOP...

Yeah, but what about it sucking for the majority of the workers when they had to work on their holidays? It's a private business making a deal with their workers so the greatest number of them can observe the days off that they want to. I can't even believe this is an issue. They aren't even replacing some religious holidays with others, they are changing a day that Americans observe by having a barbecue with one that has serious religious significance to them. If this were anything else but some Muslim thing nobody would care.

These workers are working in another country that already has their established holidays. No one made them come to the US. If observing their holidays really meant that much to them, then maybe moving to another country was not such a good idea...

Tell that to the Pilgrims. Face it, you are cut from the same cloth as the OP. While you are at it, see what you can do about getting that bitch removed from Liberty Island that informs all "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.."

:roll:

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Butterbean..The bad Msulim see them for what they are and know their false virtue is just cowardice.

Says the keyboard soldier..

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Butterbean..The bad Msulim see them for what they are and know their false virtue is just cowardice.

Says the keyboard soldier..

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
As the brave Culture Warrior posts from the safe anonymity of his keyboard:laugh:

Do you guys want him to grab a rifle and head down to the nearest mosque or what?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Butterbean..The bad Msulim see them for what they are and know their false virtue is just cowardice.

Says the keyboard soldier..

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
As the brave Culture Warrior posts from the safe anonymity of his keyboard:laugh:

Do you guys want him to grab a rifle and head down to the nearest mosque or what?

Why does he need a weapon?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Zorba

Tyson company spokeswoman Libby Lawson said by phone that, "This isn't a religious accommodation, this is a contractual agreement. The majority asked for it."

If you don't like majority rule don't be in a Union. The majority of the people in the union wanted a different holiday, Tyson didn't want to have a strike or other labor disruptions so they said why not.

Just goes to show how many millions of Muslims we already have in this nation, that in a given locality they are the majority.

Not necessarily. In ONE company of 1300 people there are 700 Muslims. And in our history immigrant groups have always stayed together for the first one or two generations.
I guess you were one of the people who would have railed agains the Irish, Germans, Jews, Poles, Russians etc who settled in the same communities when they first came here, claiming they were "taking" over.
What IS the percentage of Muslims in America?
According to Wiki its ONE percent. Or 3 million out of 300 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

"Taking over" is your hyperbole to create a strawman argument. If you like arguing with yourself, feel free.

My post is nothing more than the simple truth ? that these 3 million if collected would have complete power/control over a state like mine where 3 million is an overwhelming majority. Stating that they are the majority of that plant ? makes for an interesting debate about whether they should be free to take the days off that they feel like taking off, instead of what is natural for this nation and its people.

As for your brazen hostility towards pointing this out, maybe you would like to explain that yourself.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Socio
Maybe some have assimilated, maybe some just say they have, it is very hard to tell because the Quran gives explicit license to Muslims to both lie and deceive with impunity.

I do know that a study being conducted called Mapping Shari'a Project has released preliminary findings that indicate 3 in 4 U.S. mosques preach anti-West extremism which would of course lend itself to deception of assimilation to the West rather than the actual assimilation.

There is also the fact Muslims in the U.S., as they are in Western Europe and other countries, are a self-segregating which creates an unintegrable population whose collectivist beliefs are fundamentally opposed to American values of democratic government and individual freedoms. This also lends itself to deception of assimilation to the West rather than the actual assimilation.

It is also not hard to see what happens if assimilation is not forced and Islam has a virtually free reign.

Here is an example;

'UK faces threat from British Muslims (insurgents) returning from Afghan'

LONDON: The UK faces serious security threat from British Muslim extremists returning from Afghanistan after fighting alongside Taliban, a top British commander has said.

British Muslims are part of the Taliban militia fighting against UK security forces in Afghanistan

British Muslims going to Afghanistan to train for and kill British soldiers then head back to Britain to spread their hate, training, and likely commit attacks.

Oh so now at least you will say MAYBE...I suppose it is better than implicitly making it appear like NONE are.

Reading the link you posted, I see this is full of shit. So being not understanding the basics of Islam (I swear you guys seem to have this obsession with this religion that doesn't exist), other pages of the site contrast Muslims "Martian Terrorists". It tosses around terms like anti America Jihad, anti-West extremism...but rarely is anything defined (unless they seriously believe that there is a sizable portion of Muslims in the US getting read to start a war against non muslims and other muslims that they don't agree with. If that is the case, I have beach front property in Nevada I'd like to sell you).

If you go ahead and actually take a look at the history of these people (such as Robert J. Lowenberg and Holy crap David Yerushalmi talk about a madman!) who are behind this organization you'll start to see that it all makes sense....It is really a group of people trying to force a violent attack on Muslims and prevent assimilation of Muslims, which is continuing normally when viewed from the big picture.

By the way - we are talking about the United States....NOT Britain. And even if you want to consider Britain - are you seriously telling us that we should take people who went to fight in Afghanistan as representative of the average Muslims? I cannot claim to know the state of the Muslim community in England, much less you, but I think it is safe to say that the average British Muslim doesn't go to Afghanistan to kill other Brits.
Of course you might as well ignore this part:

"There are very small numbers of British citizens traveling out there, being trained up and then returning to the UK," the source said.

Those people pose a threat, and don't think I'm down playing that. But don't pass it off as if all British Muslims and their mothers have trained in a camp in Afghanistan.