TX Judge Breaks Up Lesbian Home

[blackangst1]

Do you know any gay men or women who were abused as children?

do you know any straight people that were abused as children? Why arent they gay?

 

[Texashiker]

That isn't an insult. YOU said it was a choice, so YOU tell us about your experience in coming to a choice of your own..

Can you scientifically prove being gay is not a choice?

I make a choice to go to work everyday,
I make a choice to follow the law,
I make a choice to stay out of jail,
I make a choice to not do drugs.


I did not make a choice on my eye color, hair color, height, race, sex, or even my shoe size. All of those are by genetics.

do you know any straight people that were abused as children? Why arent they gay?

Lets reframe from using absolutes shall we.

 

[zsdersw]

It's Texas. Gay marriage is illegal, and apparently breaking up lesbian homes is legal. If a gay marriage law were to go to referendum in Texas, it would probably fail.

Domestic partner benefits are offered by many Texas cities, there is no anti-sodomy law, and gay people/couples can freely adopt children, and Texas has hate-crime statutes that include sexual orientation.

Popular opinion there is that gay marriage is wrong - hence it is immoral.

We're really not talking about marriage... we're talking about relationships. Does the state break up gay relationships? No.

 

[shadow9d9]

Can you scientifically prove being gay is not a choice?

I make a choice to go to work everyday,
I make a choice to follow the law,
I make a choice to stay out of jail,
I make a choice to not do drugs.


I did not make a choice on my eye color, hair color, height, race, sex, or even my shoe size. All of those are by genetics.




Lets reframe from using absolutes shall we.

You are such a coward.

Yes, you could make those choices.. I am asking you WHY you made THIS choice and to tell us about how you weighed both sides before coming to a conclusion!

 

[sandorski]

Choose to live immoral lifestyle, then complain when others dont like it?

Just because someone wishes to live a gay lifestyle doe not mean the rest of us have to agree or even like it.

Idiot.

 

[zsdersw]

Can you scientifically prove being gay is not a choice?

I make a choice to go to work everyday,
I make a choice to follow the law,
I make a choice to stay out of jail,
I make a choice to not do drugs.

Those are actions. Same-sex attraction is not an action.

I did not make a choice on my eye color, hair color, height, race, sex, or even my shoe size. All of those are by genetics.

These are traits... so is sexual attraction, whether to the same or the opposite gender, or both, or none.

Lets reframe from using absolutes shall we.

Reframe? Like this:

Or did you mean "refrain"... like smart people would mean in that situation.

 

[Oyeve]

I love how these assholes who know absolutely nothing about homosexuality argue about it all the time. Texasshitter, you are probably the biggest asshole on this forum right now.

 

[Spungo]

Can you scientifically prove being gay is not a choice?

Uh yes? It's actually very easy with modern technology.
1 - hook electrodes to the brain
2 - show images containing only men, only women, and both
3 - measure how excited the brain gets when looking at each image


The fun part is when the test shows that a lot of conservatives are actually closet homosexuals.
homophobic men are strongly turned on by gay porn
Then there was that incident where the number of men cruising for gay sex on Grindr exploded during the GOP convention in Tampa.

 

[Texashiker]

You are such a coward.

Yes, you could make those choices.. I am asking you WHY you made THIS choice

I already answered that question several pages back. Post #63 to be exact.

Texasshitter, you are probably the biggest asshole on this forum right now.

As I have posted earlier in this thread, if there is scientific evidence proving being gay is not a choice, I will retract my statements and post an apology.

People love quoting scientific proof, except when it comes to being gay. Lets see the proof.

 

[blackangst1]

Can you scientifically prove being gay is not a choice?

Since proving a positive is far easier than proving a negative, please cite your sources that show homosexuality is a choice. scientifically, of course.

Lets reframe from using absolutes shall we.

Yes lets. You start by citing your absolute citations for your claims.

 

[AustinInDallas]

hey! i live there!

 

[silverpig]

Domestic partner benefits are offered by many Texas cities, there is no anti-sodomy law, and gay people/couples can freely adopt children, and Texas has hate-crime statutes that include sexual orientation.



We're really not talking about marriage... we're talking about relationships. Does the state break up gay relationships? No.

Read the OP. Apparently they do

 

[Texashiker]

Since proving a positive is far easier than proving a negative, please cite your sources that show homosexuality is a choice. scientifically, of course.

Considering a vagina was designed to accept a penis, and a butthole was designed to push out a turd,,,,.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I will let you in on a little dark secret of the gay community, something a lot of gay people do not want to talk about.

That little dark secret is a good number of gays were sexually abused as children.

As with battered women syndrome, for some reason gays are attracted to the sex that sexually abused them.

That does not go for all gays.

Why does a woman go back to a man who beats her? It is that same physiological problem that causes people to be attracted to the same sex that sexually abused them.

Got any gay friends? Especially gay men. Talk to them about it.

I wouldn't call this "deep dark secret," nor a secret at all. It is well known that many male molestation victims grow up to be gay. I do not think this is in any way the same dynamic that makes the daughters of abusive fathers choose abusive spouses - I see it more as a change to their hard wiring sexually. I certainly don't think it means that they are choosing to be gay in any way. In my view some gay people were simply born to be gay, and others are "made" to be gay through childhood trauma, but in neither case are they choosing to be gay.

 

[AustinInDallas]

Uh yes? It's actually very easy with modern technology.
1 - hook electrodes to the brain
2 - show images containing only men, only women, and both
3 - measure how excited the brain gets when looking at each image


The fun part is when the test shows that a lot of conservatives are actually closet homosexuals.
homophobic men are strongly turned on by gay porn
Then there was that incident where the number of men cruising for gay sex on Grindr exploded during the GOP convention in Tampa.

I feel sorry for all the Gay GOPers that have to put up with gay bashing from people like you

 

[silverpig]

Considering a vagina was designed to accept a penis, and a butthole was designed to push out a turd,,,,.

What's a mouth for?

 

[blackangst1]

I already answered that question several pages back. Post #63 to be exact.





As I have posted, if there is scientific evidence proving being gay is not a choice, I will retract my statements and post an apology.

Oh, this response?

I put off answering your questions so that I could put some thought into it.

There are several reasons why I am not gay.

1, it hurts enough squeezing a turd out, much less having something rammed in there. I do not like the idea of having my butt tore open, so no thank you.

A few weeks ago my wife and I ran into a gay guy while we were grocery shopping. The guy was in a wheel chair, so we asked if he was ok. He said he had to have emergency surgery for ruptured hemorrhoids. I thought to myself "if you would stop putting stuff in there you may not have that problem."

2, I wanted a family. It only makes sense to get married (to a woma)n and have children naturally. It sure beats trying to adopt and stealing children from people who have a medical problem and can not have children naturally.

Lets address these points, shall we?

first of all, you quantifying homosexuality as wanting to put things up your butt is barbaric at best. At what age did you realize this?

Really? Youre tying hemmoroids to anal sex? Seriously?

A family. Are you tying desire for a family to sexual preference? Really?

Im gonna say this because you dont seem to get it. Homosexualy is more than a man desiring cock or a woman desiring pussy. Do you think love between two straight people is only based on sex? Of course you think thats a silly question. It involves very little with sex and much more to the person. As men, we are attracted to things that make a woman a woman, right? The same is true for homosexuals. They are attracted to the same sex as we are.

You dont get it dude.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Considering a vagina was designed to accept a penis, and a butthole was designed to push out a turd,,,,.

Good god are you a disgusting human being . . .

 

[silverpig]

Good god are you a disgusting human being . . .

He reminds me of Rob Ford. Entertaining in a WTF kind of way.

 

[Texashiker]

In my view some gay people were simply born to be gay, and others are "made" to be gay through childhood trauma, but in neither case are they choosing to be gay.

Choosing to be gay through trauma is a form of mental illness, and not a decision.

A battered woman who stays with an abusive man is to be treated differently than gays? Most people would say she needs help and counseling.

Good god are you a disgusting human being . . .

What part of that statement do you disagree with?

You dont get it dude.

Its call respect and it goes both ways.

Gays expect heterosexuals to respect them, but gays do not respect heterosexuals.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Choosing to be gay through trauma is a form of mental illness, and not a decision.

A battered woman who stays with an abusive man is to be treated differently than gays? Most people would say she needs help and counseling.




What part of that statement do you disagree with?




Its call respect and it goes both ways.

Gays expect heterosexuals to respect them, but gays do not respect heterosexuals.

Equating a woman with an abusive spouse to a gay person is a false equivalency and, hence, not surprisingly, there is no equivalency in how they should be treated.

You didn't make a "statement," you made a vulgar sentence fragment.

I do not respect your "right" to arbitrarily discriminate on the basis of a non-chosen sexual preference. As far as I can see you are an ignorant, vulgar troll.

 

[zsdersw]

As I have posted earlier in this thread, if there is scientific evidence proving being gay is not a choice, I will retract my statements and post an apology.

People love quoting scientific proof, except when it comes to being gay. Lets see the proof.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/668167

Male and female homosexuality have substantial prevalence in humans. Pedigree and twin studies indicate that homosexuality has substantial heritability in both sexes, yet concordance between identical twins is low and molecular studies have failed to find associated DNA markers. This paradoxical pattern calls for an explanation. We use published data on fetal androgen signaling and gene regulation via nongenetic changes in DNA packaging (epigenetics) to develop a new model for homosexuality. It is well established that fetal androgen signaling strongly influences sexual development. We show that an unappreciated feature of this process is reduced androgen sensitivity in XX fetuses and enhanced sensitivity in XY fetuses, and that this difference is most feasibly caused by numerous sex-specific epigenetic modifications (“epi-marks”) originating in embryonic stem cells. These epi-marks buffer XX fetuses from masculinization due to excess fetal androgen exposure and similarly buffer XY fetuses from androgen underexposure. Extant data indicates that individual epi-marks influence some but not other sexually dimorphic traits, vary in strength across individuals, and are produced during ontogeny and erased between generations. Those that escape erasure will steer development of the sexual phenotypes they influence in a gonad-discordant direction in opposite sex offspring, mosaically feminizing XY offspring and masculinizing XX offspring. Such sex-specific epi-marks are sexually antagonistic (SA-epi-marks) because they canalize sexual development in the parent that produced them, but contribute to gonad-trait discordances in opposite-sex offspring when unerased. In this model, homosexuality occurs when stronger-than-average SA-epi-marks (influencing sexual preference) from an opposite-sex parent escape erasure and are then paired with a weaker-than-average de novo sex-specific epi-marks produced in opposite-sex offspring. Our model predicts that homosexuality is part of a wider phenomenon in which recently evolved androgen-influenced traits commonly display gonad-trait discordances at substantial frequency, and that the molecular feature underlying most homosexuality is not DNA polymorphism(s), but epi-marks that evolved to canalize sexual dimorphic development that sometimes carryover across generations and contribute to gonad-trait discordances in opposite-sex descendants.

 

[zsdersw]

Gays expect heterosexuals to respect them, but gays do not respect heterosexuals.

Respect is earned, not bestowed. You've done nothing to earn my respect, so you will not get it.

 

[blackangst1]

Gays expect heterosexuals to respect them, but gays do not respect heterosexuals.

Not in my experience, and certainly you cant quantify this with any citations.

In fact, even looking at MSM, I'd say more straights are disrespectful to gays than the other way around.

 

[Texashiker]

Equating a woman with an abusive spouse to a gay person is a false equivalency and, hence, not surprisingly, there is no equivalency in how they should be treated.

How is mental illness different based on the end result?

Gays are to be excluded, but battered women and drug addicts both need help?

Somehow sexual orientation influenced by trauma is not a mental illness?

I do not respect your "right" to arbitrarily discriminate on the basis of a non-chosen sexual preference.

And I do not have to respect a gay persons demand for equal rights when they choose to life an immoral lifestyle.

As far as I can see you are an ignorant, vulgar troll.

Troll because there is no scientific proof to prove being gay is not a choice, and gays should be held to the same standard as everyone else?