Trump would take foreign help in election and not tell FBI: "They have information. I think I'd take it"

[ch33zw1z]

No. You did what many do, which is dismiss people who don’t align to your worldview with a snarky condescending remark, because that is easier than acknowledging you might be wrong.

Well, that's your opinion, and youre of that opinion because you exude the same quality you loathe in clinton, smug hubris.

Mirrors don’t work on me, I am a vampire.

Self evaluation is hard, you may want to stop sucking long enough to give it a shot.

 

[HomerJS]

Then the next time Trump gets information from Russia or wherever he pays them some token sum (like a dollar, or even a penny) and therefore they're "paid in full for their work" and thus he's in the clear. The Kremlin should make it easier and set up their own Tax ID number so the Trump campaign can provide them a 1099 form to provide investigators next go around.

Dems hired an AMERICAN company who in then hired an ex British intelligence officer. Legit

Dems receive intelligence from Teresa May about Trump, illegal

Dems hire Sergey Lavrov, illegal

Get it yet?

 

[glenn1]

Dems hired an AMERICAN company who in then hired an ex British intelligence officer. Legit

Dems receive intelligence from Teresa May about Trump, illegal

Dems hire Sergey Lavrov, illegal

Get it yet?

Setting up a shell company which is "American" might require five minutes extra work. At some point it won't matter as the Kremlin and other actors will just handle things themselves. Deepfake on state owned media streamed online is the future, meetings with Russian lawyers in Trump Tower will look quaint in comparison like getting campaign dirt via telegram.

 

[fskimospy]

Then the next time Trump gets information from Russia or wherever he pays them some token sum (like a dollar, or even a penny) and therefore they're "paid in full for their work" and thus he's in the clear. The Kremlin should make it easier and set up their own Tax ID number so the Trump campaign can provide them a 1099 form to provide investigators next go around.

Nope, that would also be a crime. I hope you don’t give this advice to anyone running for office as you’re going to land them in prison.

The campaign must pay full market value for the services provided. As there are plenty of organizations that do this sort of research a market value would be easy to discern. These expenditures must also be publicly reported to the FEC. I would love to see Trump’s campaign file reports saying they were paying hostile foreign governments for help, haha.

What’s the difficulty here in understanding and accepting that Clinton followed the law and Trump didn’t? If you don’t like the law and want to make it easier for foreign governments to interfere in our elections then just say so and work to change it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Setting up a shell company which is "American" might require five minutes extra work. At some point it won't matter as the Kremlin and other actors will just handle things themselves. Deepfake on state owned media streamed online is the future, meetings with Russian lawyers in Trump Tower will look quaint in comparison like getting campaign dirt via telegram.

So who controls the justice department and has appointed yet another head of the agency and why haven’t there been charges?
Who appointed the head of the election committee (title may be wrong the agency that oversees elections)

a) nothing illegal was done

b) they’re utterly incompetent

Which one is it a or b, it has to be one or the other.

 

[fskimospy]

Setting up a shell company which is "American" might require five minutes extra work. At some point it won't matter as the Kremlin and other actors will just handle things themselves. Deepfake on state owned media streamed online is the future, meetings with Russian lawyers in Trump Tower will look quaint in comparison like getting campaign dirt via telegram.

There will always be foreign espionage operations against our country, that’s beside the point. We should be concerned about this sort of collusion between hostile governments and our future elected officials because for you take thirty seconds to think about it you run into a bunch of really bad things:

1) foreign government have their own best interests at heart, not ours.

2) it is a felony.

3) foreign governments KNOW this is a felony, meaning if you do successfully get into office with their help they can then proceed to blackmail you to their heart’s content.

Also, I suspect the deepfakes threat is vastly overblown. We have had the ability to credibly fake photographs on a mass scale for years now and we have been fine. There were no shortage of fake photos in recent campaigns and nobody cares or pays them much attention. Why is video special? It was special before because it couldn’t be easily faked but once it can people will apply a similar rubric that they do with photos now, mainly to consider the source.

Thinking that deepfakes will be this change of seismic proportions assumes that people continue to view video as credibly as they do now, despite knowing they shouldn’t. History suggests they won’t.

 

[zinfamous]

If that were true, then you should be able to easily find posts by me blithering about Obama or any number of the Democrat frontrunners. Yet I support the movement started by Sanders and would vote for Warren if given the opportunity. I was largely quiet during the Obama years because I was largely indifferent to his leadership.

I have a complete lack of respect for the Clintons and the era of third way triangulation they helped usher in.

You hear what you want to hear because you, like many others here, have been triggered into impotent rage mode since Trump pissed on the coronation.

You should be mad at Congress, not me.

I specifically mentioned "Clinton" as being the primed "go word" for your programmed brain. I also mentioned that this started in the 90s.

Why in the blithering hell would you then attempt to reject my premise for that comment by invoking Obama, not being triggered by Obama, and somehow as proof that your brain isn't programmed to respond to "Clinton?"

Again, this never had anything to do with policy, because any GOPer that wasn't properly primed would rationally come to the obvious conclusion that the Clintons were and are the most conservative politicians since Reagan, before and after, really. It's a stone-hard fact if you are engaged in real policy.

Obviously, not what the GOP has wanted for quite some time. The point of triggering you with "Clinton" is that it shuts down your brain from engaging rational centers and replacing the feedback with nonsense wedge issues that mean precisely jackshit.


Oh wait, the response that proves the claim....I guess. Carry on.

 

[Jhhnn]

Then the next time Trump gets information from Russia or wherever he pays them some token sum (like a dollar, or even a penny) and therefore they're "paid in full for their work" and thus he's in the clear. The Kremlin should make it easier and set up their own Tax ID number so the Trump campaign can provide them a 1099 form to provide investigators next go around.

Absurd hypotheticals let you make any argument you want. The truth is something else entirely, however-

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...rump-dossier-u-s-firm-discloses-idUSKBN1D15XH

 

[glenn1]

Absurd hypotheticals let you make any argument you want. The truth is something else entirely, however-

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...rump-dossier-u-s-firm-discloses-idUSKBN1D15XH

Money well spent by the losing candidate.

 

[fskimospy]

Money well spent by the losing candidate.

Considering the amount of money getting thrown around in that election the expense is trivial and considering it would be a felony if she didn't, seems like money very well spent to me.

I'm sure it would be worth at least that much money to the average president to know that they didn't have to win re-election to avoid going to prison, haha.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I specifically mentioned "Clinton" as being the primed "go word" for your programmed brain. I also mentioned that this started in the 90s.

Why in the blithering hell would you then attempt to reject my premise for that comment by invoking Obama, not being triggered by Obama, and somehow as proof that your brain isn't programmed to respond to "Clinton?"

Again, this never had anything to do with policy, because any GOPer that wasn't properly primed would rationally come to the obvious conclusion that the Clintons were and are the most conservative politicians since Reagan, before and after, really. It's a stone-hard fact if you are engaged in real policy.

Obviously, not what the GOP has wanted for quite some time. The point of triggering you with "Clinton" is that it shuts down your brain from engaging rational centers and replacing the feedback with nonsense wedge issues that mean precisely jackshit.


Oh wait, the response that proves the claim....I guess. Carry on.

I know ignoring court choices Hillary would likely be more of a Republican than Trump is.
You’d have to be insane to think Hillary would run the deficit the President currently is running.

 

[Jhhnn]

Money well spent by the losing candidate.

Which doesn't change the bullshit nature of your argument in the slightest.

 

[glenn1]

Which doesn't change the bullshit nature of your argument in the slightest.

I'm just not focusing on the legalisms involved because it benefits one side or the other. If Russians or anyone else have information which would inform our elections (whether deleted emails on one side, or pee tapes on the other) they definitely should make it public. If your big concern is they simply don't give it away for free instead of having it "paid for" because of a pointless law then be my guest.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm just not focusing on the legalisms involved because it benefits one side or the other. If Russians or anyone else have information which would inform our elections (whether deleted emails on one side, or pee tapes on the other) they definitely should make it public.

Which they of course would not do unless it benefits them. The problems inherent in that should be obvious.

If your big concern is they simply don't give it away for free instead of having it "paid for" because of a pointless law then be my guest.

Can you think of any potential downsides to the United States for having its most powerful elected official beholden to a hostile foreign government?

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm just not focusing on the legalisms involved because it benefits one side or the other. If Russians or anyone else have information which would inform our elections (whether deleted emails on one side, or pee tapes on the other) they definitely should make it public. If your big concern is they simply don't give it away for free instead of having it "paid for" because of a pointless law then be my guest.

Another bullshit hypothetical. With a dash of bothsides, of course. The issue is Kompromat.

 

[HomerJS]

Setting up a shell company which is "American" might require five minutes extra work. At some point it won't matter as the Kremlin and other actors will just handle things themselves. Deepfake on state owned media streamed online is the future, meetings with Russian lawyers in Trump Tower will look quaint in comparison like getting campaign dirt via telegram.

Except Dems didn't set up a shell company. Fusion GPS was an already established company doing opposition research.

If Teresa May called Hillary and claimed to have dirt on Trump and Hillary set up a meeting to discuss, illegal.

Get it yet?? Foreign governments are not allowed to offer opposition intelligence to campaigns.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I specifically mentioned "Clinton" as being the primed "go word" for your programmed brain. I also mentioned that this started in the 90s.

Why in the blithering hell would you then attempt to reject my premise for that comment by invoking Obama, not being triggered by Obama, and somehow as proof that your brain isn't programmed to respond to "Clinton?"

The only programming I see are those who feel compelled to defend those who shall not be named. I have no problem never mentioning them again. Others most certainly will, and the waterboys will be front and center to defend them, like the good little waterboys that liked your post.

Oh wait, the response that proves the claim....I guess. Carry on.

Does your aimless and meandering rant have a point?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Another bullshit hypothetical. With a dash of bothsides, of course. The issue is Kompromat.

Kompromat!
@Jhhnn bingo!

 

[Starbuck1975]

Except Dems didn't set up a shell company. Fusion GPS was an already established company doing opposition research.

If Teresa May called Hillary and claimed to have dirt on Trump and Hillary set up a meeting to discuss, illegal.

Get it yet?? Foreign governments are not allowed to offer opposition intelligence to campaigns.

The rationalizations are delicious

 

[ivwshane]

Then the next time Trump gets information from Russia or wherever he pays them some token sum (like a dollar, or even a penny) and therefore they're "paid in full for their work" and thus he's in the clear. The Kremlin should make it easier and set up their own Tax ID number so the Trump campaign can provide them a 1099 form to provide investigators next go around.

And there it is folks. Trump can seek the help of foreign adversaries so long as he pays them. It doesn't matter that that same entity is also trying to meddle in our election, the great America loving patriot, glenn1 has no problems with that!

With citizens like him, who need Russia?!

 

[Jhhnn]

Kompromat!
@Jhhnn bingo!

Heh. It's just the Russian word for being compromised. A man of Trump's integrity would never let that happen, I'm sure. Well, except he said he would. Which is, OMFG, the actual topic of this thread.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Heh. It's just the Russian word for being compromised. A man of Trump's integrity would never let that happen, I'm sure. Well, except he said he would. Which is, OMFG, the actual topic of this thread.

Would it make you feel better if he paid for it? It’s healthy for a functioning democracy to leverage foreign intelligence assets with the intent of finding dirt. I am sure there is a cell somewhere searching for Mayor Pete’s elementary school essays.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Would it make you feel better if he paid for it? It’s healthy for a functioning democracy to leverage foreign intelligence assets with the intent of finding dirt. I am sure there is a cell somewhere searching for Mayor Pete’s elementary school essays.

Paid for it and reported it on his election filing, fuck yeah it would make me feel better.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Paid for it and reported it on his election filing, fuck yeah it would make me feel better.

The only intelligence that should play any role in our elections is that derived, validated, vetted and shared through official channels. Use of intelligence derived from hostile nations is treason. Use of intelligence from for profit firms is dangerous and irresponsible.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The only intelligence that should play any role in our elections is that derived, validated, vetted and shared through official channels. Use of intelligence derived from hostile nations is treason. Use of intelligence from for profit firms is dangerous and irresponsible.

Agreed however that Genie is out of the bottle and I’m confident foreign powers have been contributing something since literally forever. I think George Washington had some words about foreign intrigue, tips and something else.
As far as it is now, pay for it at market value, disclose whom you’ve paid. Line that should not be crossed is paying for stolen material. Admittedly that will end up on Wikileaks or whatever.