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Victorian Gray

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Jhhnn said:
It was the only honorable thing he could do.
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It had nothing to do with honour. He simply did not want to go down in history as being successfully impeached and removed from office. Resigning was the easier thing to do. Nixon didn't know the meaning of the word honour.
 
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glenn1 said:
You gave one guy a pass for a BJ so the natural extension is the next guy gets a pass when he fvcks you. Decisions have consequences. Expecting your opponent to demonstrate better behavior than you is stupid, monumentally so when it's the GOP who you're expecting to behave better.
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Yeah I think you're right. Biden is being stupid especially after what the GOP did with blocking Garland and stealing a SCOTUS seat.

We literally have to pack the court now and if the red states don't like it, they can GTFO.
 
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Victorian Gray said:
It had nothing to do with honour. He simply did not want to go down in history as being successfully impeached and removed from office. Resigning was the easier thing to do. Nixon didn't know the meaning of the word honour.
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I lived that era as a young adult & detested Tricky Dick entirely. OTOH, he did get some things right & resigning was one of them. The People had abandoned him. That wasn't true with Clinton at all. His popularity spiked to over 70% as his trial in the Senate took place, indicating that the People were willing to forgive him.

Trump would never be so gracious as to resign under any circumstances, of course.
 
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glenn1 said:
If the Senate can use its discretion to not convict Clinton for lying under oath then I'm perfectly fine if the Senate uses its discretion to not convict Trump for obstruction cheating Democrats to win the Presidency.
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Grow the fuck up and face reality; you're stupid, you haven't a leg to stand on and you are arguing as if you do. You can't even state the truth and have to have people correct your lies.

You are a waste of time.
 
Starbuck1975

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ch33zw1z said:
Nailed it. Lol.
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Good times, the skit especially nailed the arrogance of inevitability. Almost as funny as when SNL let Donald Trump host. Even Letterman recently expressed his regret for the number of Trump interviews he conducted.
 
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Victorian Gray said:
Nixon? Decency? ROFL!

Decency had nothing to do with it. The fact that he was almost certain to be successfully impeached is why he resigned.
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He could have done many things. Fought the impeachment. Gone down the Trump route and claimed some vast conspiracy. Undermined or otherwise compromised our government to save himself.

Nixon was not honorable, but he did the honorable thing.
 
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The strange thing about Nixon was that he was almost a 'liberal' in policy terms, by today's standards. Of course, standards have changed a lot.

I gather there are even conspiracy theories there that claim Watergate became a public scandal because he was disliked by the right. I haven't looked into them becuase that way madness lies, and anyway, who cares at this point?

Trump seems to outdo them all in terms of character flaws, and that's a very high bar (I don't think much of Bill Clinton or JFK on that score, either).
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
He could have done many things. Fought the impeachment. Gone down the Trump route and claimed some vast conspiracy. Undermined or otherwise compromised our government to save himself.

Nixon was not honorable, but he did the honorable thing.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon#Resignation

Trying to save face through political spin and avoidance of deserved humiliation - sounds tremendously honourable to me! /s
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
Good times, the skit especially nailed the arrogance of inevitability. Almost as funny as when SNL let Donald Trump host. Even Letterman recently expressed his regret for the number of Trump interviews he conducted.
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oh well, lessons learned. nice how you avoided what the topic was centered around regarding that skit. not surprising though.

What's nice about america is that I don't have to believe what is said on TV. not everyone thought hilary was a shoe-in. I, for one, was very skeptical, especially after watching the republicans go off the rails when Obama was elected.

edit: What I always thought was hilarious about slick willy's indiscretions was how my religious peers(I was in church full time back then) thought that hilary was a heathen because she stood by her man, yet that was exactly what the church preached even when faced with marital problems in the congregation. turns out, they just hated democrats for anything. the more things change, the more they stay the same.

your reply is literally so played out too, lol. you always reply with this nonsense. Like somehow D's are the only people able to display arrogance. It does give me a good chuckle though, that you think your "mirror" isn't double sided. D's certainly underestimated how radicalized their fellow american's have become. But hey, I'm sure it's cool to just enlist foreign intelligence groups to help a D win now that republican's have normalized a myriad of criminal behaviors.
 
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ch33zw1z said:
oh well, lessons learned. nice how you avoided what the topic was centered around regarding that skit. not surprising though.
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The skit parodied the absurdity of Trump’s entire candidacy. Not so funny now is it.

What's nice about america is that I don't have to believe what is said on TV. not everyone thought hilary was a shoe-in. I, for one, was very skeptical, especially after watching the republicans go off the rails when Obama was elected.
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A very small but vocal minority went off the rails. There was most certainly an air of inevitability to Clinton, right up to election night. That is why there are so many election night YouTube videos of pundits and experts eating a big slice of humble pie.

edit: What I always thought was hilarious about slick willy's indiscretions was how my religious peers(I was in church full time back then) thought that hilary was a heathen because she stood by her man, yet that was exactly what the church preached even when faced with marital problems in the congregation. turns out, they just hated democrats for anything. the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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I have no use for a religious interpretation because I don’t susbcribe to hypocritical dogma. I don’t need a religious lens to have little respect for the Clintons.

your reply is literally so played out too, lol. you always reply with this nonsense. Like somehow D's are the only people able to display arrogance. It does give me a good chuckle though, that you think your "mirror" isn't double sided. D's certainly underestimated how radicalized their fellow american's have become. But hey, I'm sure it's cool to just enlist foreign intelligence groups to help a D win now that republican's have normalized a myriad of criminal behaviors.
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Democrats aren’t the only ones capable of arrogance, but they certainly excel at it. As I’ve said repeatedly, decades of rationalizations and justifications paved the road for Trump. Democrats are free to use whatever excuses they want, and then feign shock when the pendulum swings the other way.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
The skit parodied the absurdity of Trump’s entire candidacy. Not so funny now is it.

A very small but vocal minority went off the rails. There was most certainly an air of inevitability to Clinton, right up to election night. That is why there are so many election night YouTube videos of pundits and experts eating a big slice of humble pie.

I have no use for a religious interpretation because I don’t susbcribe to hypocritical dogma. I don’t need a religious lens to have little respect for the Clintons.

Democrats aren’t the only ones capable of arrogance, but they certainly excel at it. As I’ve said repeatedly, decades of rationalizations and justifications paved the road for Trump. Democrats are free to use whatever excuses they want, and then feign shock when the pendulum swings the other way.
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What a load of bullshit. Anybody who voted for Trump was off the rails. 62M of them.

And blame the Dems for the success of decades of relentless GOP agitprop, lies & top down class warfare.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Jhhnn said:
What a load of bullshit. Anybody who voted for Trump was off the rails. 62M of them.

And blame the Dems for the success of decades of relentless GOP agitprop, lies & top down class warfare.
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He's so predictable, lol.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
The skit parodied the absurdity of Trump’s entire candidacy. Not so funny now is it.

A very small but vocal minority went off the rails. There was most certainly an air of inevitability to Clinton, right up to election night. That is why there are so many election night YouTube videos of pundits and experts eating a big slice of humble pie.

I have no use for a religious interpretation because I don’t susbcribe to hypocritical dogma. I don’t need a religious lens to have little respect for the Clintons.

Democrats aren’t the only ones capable of arrogance, but they certainly excel at it. As I’ve said repeatedly, decades of rationalizations and justifications paved the road for Trump. Democrats are free to use whatever excuses they want, and then feign shock when the pendulum swings the other way.
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Exactly it’s a parody and guys like you sound like Trump bringing the Bill Clinton accusers was a huge thing, except that it wasn’t.
The Hillary hate is strange, all this horrible stuff she was doing and we’ve yet to see her charged with anything. Guys like you spouting off all the illegal shit Hillary & Bill were doing with their charity and taxes. That shit was all published in a searchable database.
Now we have a President who said he was going to reveal his taxes until he changed his mind, has the record for lies told 2.5 years in office and is violating the law but you say nothing. Absolutely nothing.
The Presidents own charity was shit down for being a scam. That charity bought an enormous picture of the President with donations. The President has had fake copies of magazines printed to display how great he is and you talk about Hillary being rattled at the debate. Hillary is far tougher and resilient than the President.
 
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Fanatical Meat said:
Exactly it’s a parody and guys like you sound like Trump bringing the Bill Clinton accusers was a huge thing, except that it wasn’t.
The Hillary hate is strange, all this horrible stuff she was doing and we’ve yet to see her charged with anything. Guys like you spouting off all the illegal shit Hillary & Bill were doing with their charity and taxes. That shit was all published in a searchable database.
Now we have a President who said he was going to reveal his taxes until he changed his mind, has the record for lies told 2.5 years in office and is violating the law but you say nothing. Absolutely nothing.
The Presidents own charity was shit down for being a scam. That charity bought an enormous picture of the President with donations. The President has had fake copies of magazines printed to display how great he is and you talk about Hillary being rattled at the debate. Hillary is far tougher and resilient than the President.
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He's really stuck on the point that Hilary was "arrogant", to the point where it is his go to point every time, obsessively. The fact that America elected someone much worse than Hilary in every negative topic makes his obsession just seem all the more sad.

oh, and a few vocal minority of Republicans went off the rails?! LOL....yea right. He's just left without a party now, kinda a limbo mode for him.

Just look how he discounts the religious in this country like the republican party isn't overwhelming religious nutters.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
Democrats aren’t the only ones capable of arrogance, but they certainly excel at it. As I’ve said repeatedly, decades of rationalizations and justifications paved the road for Trump. Democrats are free to use whatever excuses they want, and then feign shock when the pendulum swings the other way.
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Are all of the GOP rationalizations and justifications of Trump paving the way for Democratic Socialism?

Should we feign shock if the pendulum swings the other way?

I was recently researching Denmark's elections and to the surprise of many the social democrats won the biggest share of electors.. and they offered more and more free stuff (healthcare, safety net, education) but took a right wing turn on eliminating burquas, limiting future immigration from overseas while saying everyone there already will stay and not be deported as they have put down roots already.

Apparently that was enough to kick the populists out of power.
 
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Indus said:
Are all of the GOP rationalizations and justifications of Trump paving the way for Democratic Socialism?
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There would be no #metoo movement, no AOC, no surge in Democratic Socialism had it not been for Trump. The GOP chose to rally around scum, and in response, awakened a political movement that will lead to its demise.

Should we feign shock if the pendulum swings the other way?
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No, but we should recognize what causes the pendulum to swing.

I was recently researching Denmark's elections and to the surprise of many the social democrats won the biggest share of electors.. and they offered more and more free stuff (healthcare, safety net, education) but took a right wing turn on eliminating burquas, limiting future immigration from overseas while saying everyone there already will stay and not be deported as they have put down roots already.
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The Nordic nations, where democratic socialism thrives, are also rather culturally homogenous. The best version of America that I remember is when everyone had a grandfather who fought in WW2. Multiculturalism is great for some things, but you need to balance it with ties that bind. There are very few unifying bonds between the rural right and urban left.

Apparently that was enough to kick the populists out of power.
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Europe is seeing a surge of both the progressive green left and nationalist far right. Its a fascinating and slightly different stew than American politics.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
There would be no #metoo movement, no AOC, no surge in Democratic Socialism had it not been for Trump. The GOP chose to rally around scum, and in response, awakened a political movement that will lead to its demise.

No, but we should recognize what causes the pendulum to swing.

The Nordic nations, where democratic socialism thrives, are also rather culturally homogenous. The best version of America that I remember is when everyone had a grandfather who fought in WW2. Multiculturalism is great for some things, but you need to balance it with ties that bind. There are very few unifying bonds between the rural right and urban left.

Europe is seeing a surge of both the progressive green left and nationalist far right. Its a fascinating and slightly different stew than American politics.
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The GOP has been scum since Gingrich, at least.

You can't say that the wave of democratic socialism wouldn't have occurred w/o Trump. We'll spend years recovering from wrong headed Trump/GOP policy & decades recovering from their court packing strategy.

80% of the population lives in urban areas. Conservatism obviously extends into those areas or we wouldn't have the representation that we do.
 
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