Trump wins Iowa - is anyone surprised?

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fskimospy

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Joe's 'baggage' is wholly manufactured by FAUX media. Joe is a good guy doing good things who has made a few mistakes.
It’s also based on a fanciful idea that some other unnamed Democrat would be more popular.

Regardless it hardly matters. A primary against Biden would have been the height of stupidity and he wasn’t going to step aside.
 

dank69

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Joe's 'baggage' is wholly manufactured by FAUX media. Joe is a good guy doing good things who has made a few mistakes.
Yeah people need to realize that whoever Dems put up will be the new person with baggage. When Hillary was the candidate all the Republicans and "independents" loved Biden and said he should have been the candidate and then they would vote Democrat. Well look at them all now.
 

JD50

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if the Dems had a candidate with out such absolutely horrible negative numbers, it would be a shoe in. But Biden=baggage, some of the worst numbers of any incumbent ever.
What makes you think a different candidate would fare any better? Joe has been a good President, the economy is better, inflation is recovering, gas prices are back down, the stock market is at all time highs. Now go tell that to a conservative or "independent" and they'll look at you like you're living in an alternate reality even though it is all objectively true. Biden is a boring old white moderate or slightly conservative Democrat, conservatives believe he's a radical leftist.

What baggage does Biden have besides shit made up by conservatives? They would do this with ANY Democrat candidate.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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What makes you think a different candidate would fare any better? Joe has been a good President, the economy is better, inflation is recovering, gas prices are back down, the stock market is at all time highs. Now go tell that to a conservative or "independent" and they'll look at you like you're living in an alternate reality even though it is all objectively true. Biden is a boring old white moderate or slightly conservative Democrat, conservatives believe he's a radical leftist.

What baggage does Biden have besides shit made up by conservatives? They would do this with ANY Democrat candidate.
That's the secret, being a democrat is the baggage they're talking about.
 

thilanliyan

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A criminal conviction for 1/6 related activities is going to carry a lot more political weight with the people who need swaying than a civil loss.
Is it really though? I find it hard to believe anyone who would still vote for Trump would be swayed by that.
 

Brovane

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Just a fyi - This is the level of fucknuttery we are dealing with for Trump supporters.
I really don't know what to say.

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manly

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I'm 100% for Team Biden, but it's false to say that his baggage is every Democratic candidate's baggage. Nobody else is 81 years old with a running mate that is deeply unpopular.

Is it really though? I find it hard to believe anyone who would still vote for Trump would be swayed by that.
MAGA would love him even more; but it's believable that the tiny slice of the electorate that is truly independent/swingy would likely move away from him. Keep in mind true swing voters are not many, but they carry a lot of weight if located in a "Battleground state." Many voters claim to be independent but really aren't. For example a very long time ago I registered to vote as No Party Preference, and many other people have as well. In reality, I've never voted for a Republican in a Presidential election. But I certainly wouldn't call myself a swing voter, although others like to believe they are centrist or objectively persuadable.

I've only pulled the lever for a Republican a couple of times in my life, and those were symbolic votes (once for moderate Abel Maldonado and once as a protest vote against dinosaur Maxine Waters).
 

nakedfrog

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It's still difficult to grasp why the election would only have been stolen for the presidency and not the house or senate. I suppose it's that old fascist trope of the enemy who is both strong and weak, cunning and stupid. Able to steal an election, but not clever enough to do it in a meaningful way.
 
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fskimospy

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It's still difficult to grasp why the election would only have been stolen for the presidency and not the house or senate. I suppose it's that old fascist trope of the enemy who is both strong and weak, cunning and stupid. Able to steal an election, but not clever enough to do it in a meaningful way.
It’s because they don’t give a single solitary shit about consistency.


Check out the part on bad faith.
 

JD50

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I'm 100% for Team Biden, but it's false to say that his baggage is every Democratic candidate's baggage. Nobody else is 81 years old with a running mate that is deeply unpopular.

This is exactly what we're talking about. Trump is essentially just as old as Biden and acts far more senile that Biden does, yet they have no problem voting for Trump.

Just look at how @Greenman complained about Biden not being able to speak in complete sentences and then went completely silent when given numerous examples of Trump's insane ramblings. They are lying when they say that is a reason they will not vote for Biden.
 

pmv

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Listening to phone-in radio and many callers, including Americans and UK Faragists, seem to be under the impression this constitutes some great victory for Trumpism, as if he beat Biden in a state-wide vote rather than a collection of Trump tribute acts in a vote purely among Iowa Republicans. That Trump is the front-runner to be the Republican candidate is surely no surprise, but it means nothing as far as the actual election, surely?
 
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K1052

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Listening to phone-in radio and many callers, including Americans and UK Faragists, seem to be under the impression this constitutes some great victory for Trumpism, as if he beat Biden in a state-wide vote rather than a collection of Trump tribute acts in a vote purely among Iowa Republicans. That Trump is the front-runner to be the Republican candidate is surely no surprise, but it means nothing as far as the actual election, surely?

People are morons.
 

manly

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This is exactly what we're talking about. Trump is essentially just as old as Biden and acts far more senile that Biden does, yet they have no problem voting for Trump.

Just look at how @Greenman complained about Biden not being able to speak in complete sentences and then went completely silent when given numerous examples of Trump's insane ramblings. They are lying when they say that is a reason they will not vote for Biden.
Of course MAGAts are disingenuous, that's who they are and they've devolved completely into Trump cultists.

But you're preaching to the choir here. I agree Biden has overall done a good job, and as he runs again, I 100% support him. I'm not arguing that an alternative Democrat would out-do Biden (in fact, I'm on record as saying I'm pretty sure Newsom would do worse). Having said that, it's a bullshit argument to say all candidates are equivalent targets. Voters really don't like his age, and they really, really don't like who would become POTUS if he passed away in office. (I don't hate Kamala Harris, but for POTUS, I would choose a LOT of other Democrats before her.)

So a lot of dumb fuck voters have convinced themselves that is a lot worse than the actual reality of his job performance, and the performance of the economy. I'm not talking about MAGAts that can't be convinced, I'm talking about independents and even moderate Democrats who are not solid votes for Biden as of today. In November? Who knows, I certainly don't.

And to be crystal clear, I'm not in favor of Joe stepping aside now and yielding the ground to a younger candidate. And it's dumb as fuck that here in mid January, there are progressive voters who keep banging that drum. We're already at the point where you follow that old cliche, "dance with the one you came with."

My point was only that different candidates have different baggage: real, perceived or manufactured by the opposition. And I agree that the MSM is somewhat complicit in this, as they try to appear "fair and balanced" instead of lambasting outright GOP lying. It's partly why we are where we are as a nation; voters have been duped for way too long and many vote against their own self interests.


I was more surprised that like 65% of them polled believed the election was stolen, than that he won.
GOP voters are almost all cultists now, so this shouldn't surprise anyone. You have to do a shit load of mental gymnastics to vote for Donald Trump.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Listening to phone-in radio and many callers, including Americans and UK Faragists, seem to be under the impression this constitutes some great victory for Trumpism, as if he beat Biden in a state-wide vote rather than a collection of Trump tribute acts in a vote purely among Iowa Republicans. That Trump is the front-runner to be the Republican candidate is surely no surprise, but it means nothing as far as the actual election, surely?
The bonus will be later, when they don't understand how Biden is president again when Trump won the election in January.
 
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Ajay

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Listening to phone-in radio and many callers, including Americans and UK Faragists, seem to be under the impression this constitutes some great victory for Trumpism, as if he beat Biden in a state-wide vote rather than a collection of Trump tribute acts in a vote purely among Iowa Republicans. That Trump is the front-runner to be the Republican candidate is surely no surprise, but it means nothing as far as the actual election, surely?
Talk radio has been a cauldron of grievances for at least 15 years (probably more). 90% of it was trash back then - I imagine that's 99.96% now.
 

nOOky

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What makes you think a different candidate would fare any better? Joe has been a good President, the economy is better, inflation is recovering, gas prices are back down, the stock market is at all time highs. Now go tell that to a conservative or "independent" and they'll look at you like you're living in an alternate reality even though it is all objectively true. Biden is a boring old white moderate or slightly conservative Democrat, conservatives believe he's a radical leftist.

What baggage does Biden have besides shit made up by conservatives? They would do this with ANY Democrat candidate.

Duh, the open borders (as southern states and CA need more vegetable pickers aside) and the war against Christmas.
 

VRAMdemon

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So ... A man facing 91criminal counts wins Iowa caucuses. The Republican party of 2024 folks

DeFuhrur and Haley have spent all their time campaigning for second place because they are so afraid of Trumps cult base and are busy licking his ass and throwing pardons around for him. Maybe if they’d actually campaigned against Trump, the numbers would look a little different. I don’t know, 48% of the Republicans who showed up in sub-zero weather wanted someone else for president. Not a good look for Diaper Don