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Trump will withdraw US from Iran deal today, reinstate sanctions

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glenn1 said:
We should get out of NATO. Leaving it would no more detract from the defense of U.S. than our removal of medium range nuclear missiles from Europe did 30 years ago. The U.S. is obviously not going to stand idly by as Russia invades Western Europe and removing us from NATO would finally spur the rest of the nations to pay their reasonable shares of GDP for their own defense.
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We should to get more nations to join NATO. At some point even Russia.
It is pretty super simple logic, there is simply too many nukes in existence, either we unite this planet or it goes bust. You are head honcho now, why in the @SS would you want to throw that away? Give other alliances, opposing alliances, a chance to form a power axis that will dwarf you?
Super super super short sighted .. but I guess thats the Trumpanian philosophy of life; why the hell should I care about the planet, I am 70 years old, fuck it.
 
PixelSquish said:
Obama released a statement on Facebook:

"There are few issues more important to the security of the United States than the potential spread of nuclear weapons, or the potential for even more destructive war in the Middle East. That’s why the United States negotiated the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in the first place.

The reality is clear. The JCPOA is working – that is a view shared by our European allies, independent experts, and the current U.S. Secretary of Defense. The JCPOA is in America’s interest – it has significantly rolled back Iran’s nuclear program. And the JCPOA is a model for what diplomacy can accomplish – its inspections and verification regime is precisely what the United States should be working to put in place with North Korea. Indeed, at a time when we are all rooting for diplomacy with North Korea to succeed, walking away from the JCPOA risks losing a deal that accomplishes – with Iran – the very outcome that we are pursuing with the North Koreans.

That is why today’s announcement is so misguided. Walking away from the JCPOA turns our back on America’s closest allies, and an agreement that our country’s leading diplomats, scientists, and intelligence professionals negotiated. In a democracy, there will always be changes in policies and priorities from one Administration to the next. But the consistent flouting of agreements that our country is a party to risks eroding America’s credibility, and puts us at odds with the world’s major powers.

Debates in our country should be informed by facts, especially debates that have proven to be divisive. So it’s important to review several facts about the JCPOA.

First, the JCPOA was not just an agreement between my Administration and the Iranian government. After years of building an international coalition that could impose crippling sanctions on Iran, we reached the JCPOA together with the United Kingdom, France, Germany, the European Union, Russia, China, and Iran. It is a multilateral arms control deal, unanimously endorsed by a United Nations Security Council Resolution.

Second, the JCPOA has worked in rolling back Iran’s nuclear program. For decades, Iran had steadily advanced its nuclear program, approaching the point where they could rapidly produce enough fissile material to build a bomb. The JCPOA put a lid on that breakout capacity. Since the JCPOA was implemented, Iran has destroyed the core of a reactor that could have produced weapons-grade plutonium; removed two-thirds of its centrifuges (over 13,000) and placed them under international monitoring; and eliminated 97 percent of its stockpile of enriched uranium – the raw materials necessary for a bomb. So by any measure, the JCPOA has imposed strict limitations on Iran's nuclear program and achieved real results.

Third, the JCPOA does not rely on trust – it is rooted in the most far-reaching inspections and verification regime ever negotiated in an arms control deal. Iran’s nuclear facilities are strictly monitored. International monitors also have access to Iran’s entire nuclear supply chain, so that we can catch them if they cheat. Without the JCPOA, this monitoring and inspections regime would go away.

Fourth, Iran is complying with the JCPOA. That was not simply the view of my Administration. The United States intelligence community has continued to find that Iran is meeting its responsibilities under the deal, and has reported as much to Congress. So have our closest allies, and the international agency responsible for verifying Iranian compliance – the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Fifth, the JCPOA does not expire. The prohibition on Iran ever obtaining a nuclear weapon is permanent. Some of the most important and intrusive inspections codified by the JCPOA are permanent. Even as some of the provisions in the JCPOA do become less strict with time, this won’t happen until ten, fifteen, twenty, or twenty-five years into the deal, so there is little reason to put those restrictions at risk today.

Finally, the JCPOA was never intended to solve all of our problems with Iran. We were clear-eyed that Iran engages in destabilizing behavior – including support for terrorism, and threats toward Israel and its neighbors. But that’s precisely why it was so important that we prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Every aspect of Iranian behavior that is troubling is far more dangerous if their nuclear program is unconstrained. Our ability to confront Iran’s destabilizing behavior – and to sustain a unity of purpose with our allies – is strengthened with the JCPOA, and weakened without it.

Because of these facts, I believe that the decision to put the JCPOA at risk without any Iranian violation of the deal is a serious mistake. Without the JCPOA, the United States could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East. We all know the dangers of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. It could embolden an already dangerous regime; threaten our friends with destruction; pose unacceptable dangers to America’s own security; and trigger an arms race in the world’s most dangerous region. If the constraints on Iran’s nuclear program under the JCPOA are lost, we could be hastening the day when we are faced with the choice between living with that threat, or going to war to prevent it.

In a dangerous world, America must be able to rely in part on strong, principled diplomacy to secure our country. We have been safer in the years since we achieved the JCPOA, thanks in part to the work of our diplomats, many members of Congress, and our allies. Going forward, I hope that Americans continue to speak out in support of the kind of strong, principled, fact-based, and unifying leadership that can best secure our country and uphold our responsibilities around the globe."
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Leaders work from facts. Clowns work from fever dreams and cheeseburger comas.
 
The More Iran Lies, The Better The Iran Deal Gets

I have been asked to provide commentary and I am doing so. I often do not when I post links in the middle of threads because I wish to have people explore the link on their own, read the material and then come to their own conclusions.

When I do this, it's because I don't care what those conclusions are. My attitude is such because I have zero hope of changing anyone's mind. In fact, I don't even wish to make an attempt. It's a pointless endeavor. I've said it here for years. No commentary, no quote from the article. If it looks interesting read it if not - don't.

I have not read any further in the thread this morning and probably won't because I really don't care. The Iran Deal is broken. There is no turning back the clock. Further discussion is pointless. The future is ahead of us, the past cannot be changed.

I posted the link so that those interested could see some of the lies surrounding the Iran Deal. It was met with the usual chest beating of the self-professed holier-than-thou crowd that is so typical here. The berating of web sites is passe. It was always a sign of entrenchment and continues to be. I ignore the outrage. It's like water off a duck's back.

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zinfamous said:
Hey, maybe we can come together on something? I tend to like the Doors in general, some of their sound, anyway, but Jim Morrison was not nearly as clever as fans want him to be.
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I see the bathroom is clear
I think that somebody's near
I'm sure that someone is following me, oh yeah
:colbert:
 
K1052 said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/world/middleeast/trump-iran-nuclear-deal.html

Some speculation was that he wouldn't go this far but it seems that was in vain. The Europeans are not with us on this so how it plays out with them is an open question. Getting them to reimpose sanctions will be extraordinarily difficult if not impossible and most seem to acknowledge that Iran will again pursue nuclear weapons clandestinely. China and Russia will use this turn of events to their advantage.

Also interesting timing on breaking the word of the US while trying to ink a deal with NK who you bet is watching.
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Trump will likely be the old man yelling at clouds that everyone else ignores.
 
boomerang said:
The More Iran Lies, The Better The Iran Deal Gets
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Frontpagemag, lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FrontPage_Magazine

In 2016, the Southern Poverty Law Center listed Horowitz and Spencer as "anti-Muslim extremists".[6] Spencer called the article a "hit list".[7]

The website has been described by opinion pieces as right-wing,[8][9][10] far-right,[11][12] Islamophobic,[13] and anti-Islam.[14]
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The best part is wikipedia labels the website as 'part of a series on Islamophobia'.
 
boomerang said:
The More Iran Lies, The Better The Iran Deal Gets
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Lol what a piece of trash website so sad you get your "news" from sites like this. It implies the radical left has islamic allies? Now who is this radical left? Antifa? their allies are Islamic terrorist? The guy and his page are ridiculous.

This on his front page.

""INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" @HOROWITZ39, DAVID HOROWITZ"

And of course.

"About David Horowitz Freedom Center

OUR MISSION: The DHFC is dedicated to the defense of free societies whose moral, cultural and economic foundations are under attack by enemies both secular and religious, at home and abroad.

The David Horowitz Freedom Center combats the efforts of the radical left and its Islamist allies to destroy American values and disarm this country as it attempts to defend itself in a time of terror. The leftist offensive is most obvious on our nation’s campuses, where the Freedom Center protects students from indoctrination and intimidation and works to give conservative students a place in the marketplace of ideas from which they are otherwise excluded. Combining forceful analysis and bold activism, the Freedom Center provides strong insight into today’s most pressing issue on its family of websites and in the activist campaigns it wages on campus, in the news media, and in national politics throughout the year."
 
Thebobo said:
Lol what a piece of trash website so sad you get your "news" from sites like this. It implies the radical left has islamic allies? Now who is this radical left? Antifa? their allies are Islamic terrorist? The guy and his page are ridiculous.

This on his front page.

""INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" @HOROWITZ39, DAVID HOROWITZ"

And of course.

"About David Horowitz Freedom Center

OUR MISSION: The DHFC is dedicated to the defense of free societies whose moral, cultural and economic foundations are under attack by enemies both secular and religious, at home and abroad.

The David Horowitz Freedom Center combats the efforts of the radical left and its Islamist allies to destroy American values and disarm this country as it attempts to defend itself in a time of terror. The leftist offensive is most obvious on our nation’s campuses, where the Freedom Center protects students from indoctrination and intimidation and works to give conservative students a place in the marketplace of ideas from which they are otherwise excluded. Combining forceful analysis and bold activism, the Freedom Center provides strong insight into today’s most pressing issue on its family of websites and in the activist campaigns it wages on campus, in the news media, and in national politics throughout the year."
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Hey it's like the mission statement for Fox they don't have the balls to put out
 
Thebobo said:
Elegant as always he's probably been working on that for months.
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Still a big part of me wishes Obama said the same thing, just with different language. Stop going so high goddamnit.

How about literally calling Trump an idiot? Giving him some sort of nickname. Speak a language the stupids in this country can understand. I would kill to see the reactions of people if Obama decided to go that route. It would be genius I think.
 
PixelSquish said:
Clearly, since the goal of Iran is death to America, and Obama and company are just robust enablers of being soft on Iran, they must hate America. The right was right! Obama hates America so much he wants it destroyed! By Iranians!

Just pointing out the logical conclusion of that article, which links cnsnews for some damning evidence. Genius shit.
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I am certain that Boomerang is one of those that believes Obama (and Hillary) founded Isis.
 
PixelSquish said:
Still a big part of me wishes Obama said the same thing, just with different language. Stop going so high goddamnit.

How about literally calling Trump an idiot? Giving him some sort of nickname. Speak a language the stupids in this country can understand. I would kill to see the reactions of people if Obama decided to go that route. It would be genius I think.
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Maybe, but I doubt he would win that sort of fight and he would sacrifice his credibility and dignity by stooping to Trump's level.

I do agree that it might have been better if Obama had said things more simply and more directly though, that's never been his strong suit, haha. Something to the effect of 'The deal was working. Now we've betrayed our friends, broken our word, and gave Iran an excuse to start building bombs again. That was a really dumb move.'
 
PixelSquish said:
If the other nations stick to the deal and so does Iran, major blow to the US. Just our standing and businesses suffer. What is interesting now is what everybody else is going to do.
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Best case scenario, the United States looks like a bunch of idiots and the world moves on without us.
Worst case scenario, we may be poised to start World War 3. As in... we may be the bad guys.
 
fskimospy said:
Frontpagemag, lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FrontPage_Magazine



The best part is wikipedia labels the website as 'part of a series on Islamophobia'.
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I'm exactly zero percent surprised boomerang would post from a source like this.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/frontpage-magazine/

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Bias: Extreme Right, Hate Group
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Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us
 
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