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Trump will withdraw US from Iran deal today, reinstate sanctions

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Doc Savage Fan said:
Conservatives hated this deal and were vocal as hell about it....but negotiating a horrible deal was much more important to the left no matter the cost. There shouldn't be any surprises here.

Castles made of sand slip into the sea, eventually.
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And their concerns have proven unfounded. Iran is complying. The world agree. Mike Pompeo testified at the confirmation they are complying and it has stopped their moves towards a nuclear weapon.

You don’t blow it up with no fallback. There’s no reason to renegotiate on Iran’s part of he does.

It’s just stupid.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Non-binding deal is non-binding deal. Another Obama "accomplishment" goes up in smoke...there now seems to be very little left of Obama's legacy.
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You're wrong about pretty much everything, including Obama legacy.

Obama legacy will be in large part defined by Trump. If Trump succeeds in everything he has promised to do, then yes, I imagine Obama presidency will be remembered as Carter 2.0. If on the other hand Trump fails, Obama will be remembered as prophetic builder whose bright ideals were destroyed by a barbarian.

Time will tell which one it's going to be. Personally, I have zero confidence that Trump will be able to negotiate a better TPP deal, a better NAFTA deal, a better Paris Accord Agreement, better Iran deal, bring all the coal jobs back, and provide universal healthcare coverage for everyone at a cheaper price than Obamacare. So personally, I think the history will look very kindly at Obama's legacy while Trump will either fade into obscurity never to be mentioned again like that one weird relative that nobody wants to talk about, or used as an example for small kids of what not to be when they grow up.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
And their concerns have proven unfounded. Iran is complying. The world agree. Mike Pompeo testified at the confirmation they are complying and it has stopped their moves towards a nuclear weapon.

You don’t blow it up with no fallback. There’s no reason to renegotiate on Iran’s part of he does.

It’s just stupid.
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Trump's own people say Iran in complying. The only one who says they are not is President Dummy. BTW - How to we know he isn't lying again??

Also what incentive does NK have to sign any agreement with the US involved when we renege on a whim?
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Conservatives hated this deal and were vocal as hell about it....but negotiating a horrible deal was much more important to the left no matter the cost. There shouldn't be any surprises here.

Castles made of sand slip into the sea, eventually.
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If the deal is so horrible why does it enjoy a 25 point margin in favor of approval? Hell, even a plurality of Republicans support it.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/385839-poll-us-support-for-iran-deal-reaches-its-highest-level

56 percent of people polled in the Morning Consult–Politico surveyreleased Wednesday morning backed the nuclear deal, while 26 percent opposed it.

Republican voters are split, with 46 percent of voters in favor of the bill versus 42 percent against it.
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I was reminded today of just how excellent the deal was, in fact. There's a guy named Gary Samore who was head of United Against Nuclear Iran, a group dedicated to opposing the Iran deal. That was until he actually read the deal and found it so good that he resigned his position as head of an opposition group and endorsed it. lol.

As others have asked though, what specific stipulations of the deal do you think are horrible and why? What should have been done instead?
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Conservatives hated this deal and were vocal as hell about it....but negotiating a horrible deal was much more important to the left no matter the cost. There shouldn't be any surprises here.

Castles made of sand slip into the sea, eventually.
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Conservatives believe all kinds of insane things. I mean, look at you for example. You believe this deal that was working just fine is "horrible." Why? Why do you believe it is horrible? Because your conservative media and President Dumbfuck told you it was?
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Conservatives hated this deal and were vocal as hell about it....but negotiating a horrible deal was much more important to the left no matter the cost. There shouldn't be any surprises here.

Castles made of sand slip into the sea, eventually.
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Of course the GOP opposed the deal, just like they oppose honest solutions to a host of issues they drag out every two years. Their voters fall for it every time.

The question his devotees refuse to ask about denouncing the JCPOA is "What's in it for America?"

Well, other than the same feelz they get from chanting Lock her up! at a Trump Rally. They seem to think that's enough.
 
Totally sucks for Iran. They'll probably still have to stick to the deal because of the other countries, but any company active in the US will not be wanting anything to do with them.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
And their concerns have proven unfounded. Iran is complying.
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Perhaps you are not very aware of the mullahs in Iran, and they have played cunning games over the decades. Iran has been a major source of chaos in the middle east for a long long time. Heck compared to it, even the Israelis and Saudis are better behaved.
 
HomerJS said:
Trump's own people say Iran in complying. The only one who says they are not is President Dummy. BTW - How to we know he isn't lying again??

Also what incentive does NK have to sign any agreement with the US involved when we renege on a whim?
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Putin hooked Trumpy up with the bestest and bigliest cyber and it had the info. You can see the same info here at:

www.infowars.com

As for your second sentence this the most frustrating aspect of this administration. The willingness to tear up deals is going to damage US credibility for years after this clown is gone from office. Its destroyed one of the biggest constants of US foreign policy: Deals made with one administration where honored.

Doing anything else is just fucking dumb. But we have a spiteful idiot in the White House who will do whatever will get the most boisterous praise to feed his ego, so here we are.
 
fskimospy said:
If the deal is so horrible why does it enjoy a 25 point margin in favor of approval? Hell, even a plurality of Republicans support it.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/385839-poll-us-support-for-iran-deal-reaches-its-highest-level



I was reminded today of just how excellent the deal was, in fact. There's a guy named Gary Samore who was head of United Against Nuclear Iran, a group dedicated to opposing the Iran deal. That was until he actually read the deal and found it so good that he resigned his position as head of an opposition group and endorsed it. lol.

As others have asked though, what specific stipulations of the deal do you think are horrible and why? What should have been done instead?
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It was a major victory for the opposition, and, needed to be rebranded as a loss.
 
Thebobo said:
Why in your own words is it such a horrible deal considering the alternatives?
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I personally think we should have never entered into the deal in the first place...we had enormous leverage that we foolishly squandered imo. In regard to leaving the deal, I believe we should have stayed in....but that said, it doesn't break my heart that we left the deal either. Alternatives? Tactical strikes if they choose to restart their program. Iran can never be allowed to have nuclear weapons imo.
 
Noah Abrams said:
Perhaps you are not very aware of the mullahs in Iran, and they have played cunning games over the decades. Iran has been a major source of chaos in the middle east for a long long time. Heck compared to it, even the Israelis and Saudis are better behaved.
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Us bailing on the deal strengthens the mullahs by proving them right that we can't be trusted. The long game is to win over younger Iranians so they don't see us as their mortal enemy, this move does not advance that goal. At some point the Saudis and the Iranians are going to have to figure out their holy war.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I personally think we should have never entered into the deal in the first place...we had enormous leverage that we foolishly squandered imo. In regard to leaving the deal, I believe we should have stayed in....but that said, it doesn't break my heart that we left the deal either. Alternatives? Tactical strikes if they choose to restart their program. Iran can never be allowed to have nuclear weapons imo.
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Evidence, do your have any evidence they were breaking the deal?
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I personally think we should have never entered into the deal in the first place...we had enormous leverage that we foolishly squandered imo.
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But why shouldn't we have entered the deal? What didn't you like about it and what more could we have done with that leverage?

It seems like most experts seem to agree that this was a good deal and was working.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I personally think we should have never entered into the deal in the first place...we had enormous leverage that we foolishly squandered imo. In regard to leaving the deal, I believe we should have stayed in....but that said, it doesn't break my heart that we left the deal either. Alternatives? Tactical strikes if they choose to restart their program. Iran can never be allowed to have nuclear weapons imo.
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Leverage was generated by a coordinated international sanctions regime...that thing we're smashing to pieces.

Iran will probably have nukes in a few years.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I personally think we should have never entered into the deal in the first place...we had enormous leverage that we foolishly squandered imo. In regard to leaving the deal, I believe we should have stayed in....but that said, it doesn't break my heart that we left the deal either. Alternatives? Tactical strikes if they choose to restart their program. Iran can never be allowed to have nuclear weapons imo.
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I hope they do get nukes now. Then we can all point to this moment and in unison all agree it was Trump's fault. And then I can point to this post by you and laugh about what a piece of shit you are.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I personally think we should have never entered into the deal in the first place...we had enormous leverage that we foolishly squandered imo. In regard to leaving the deal, I believe we should have stayed in....but that said, it doesn't break my heart that we left the deal either. Alternatives? Tactical strikes if they choose to restart their program. Iran can never be allowed to have nuclear weapons imo.
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That doesn't remotely answer the question. Why was the deal bad in your own words?
 
Noah Abrams said:
Perhaps you are not very aware of the mullahs in Iran, and they have played cunning games over the decades. Iran has been a major source of chaos in the middle east for a long long time. Heck compared to it, even the Israelis and Saudis are better behaved.
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There are no innocent parties in this part of the world, including (or even especially) the US. Just the regular people who have suffered at their hands.
 
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