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Doc Savage Fan

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imported_tajmahal said:
Get back on the subject of his appointments. The left and the Democrats in this forum will continually try to thread crap and go off the stated topic of a thread. It's what they do when they're losing so badly.
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They're angry and need to vent. During the last 6 years they've lost the House, the Senate and the Presidency...can't say that I blame them...I'd be pissed too.

Meanwhile, it looks like Trump expanded his search for Secretary of State. I'm good with this.
 
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fskimospy

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Doc Savage Fan said:
I was clearly referencing the bankruptcies mentioned by Muse. My apologies if this was just too fucking complex for that pea-sized brain of yours to understand.
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No, you referenced business failures, not bankruptcies and Trump has had many, many, many more than six business failures. You were basically trying to divide up Trump's businesses into those that had declared bankruptcy as failed as compared to those that had not. If you take even a little time looking into his business record you will find plenty of utter disasters that lost huge amounts of money yet didn't end up in bankruptcy.

It's very simple, failures aren't just bankruptcies and instead of becoming immediately defensive you should have just revised your original post, which was super misleading.
 
Doc Savage Fan

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fskimospy said:
No, you referenced business failures, not bankruptcies and Trump has had many, many, many more than six business failures. You were basically trying to divide up Trump's businesses into those that had declared bankruptcy as failed as compared to those that had not. If you take even a little time looking into his business record you will find plenty of utter disasters that lost huge amounts of money yet didn't end up in bankruptcy.

It's very simple, failures aren't just bankruptcies and instead of becoming immediately defensive you should have just revised your original post, which was super misleading.
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What do you want?
 
bshole

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Doc Savage Fan said:
Wow. I used failures in direct reference to the 6 bankruptcies and contrasted this with his hundreds of successes. If you want to argue something beyond my original point...I'll agree that there were non-bankruptcy failures as well if that somehow makes you feel better. Regardless, my point stands that his successes have far out-weighed his failures in his business dealings....regardless whether or not these failures resulted in bankruptcy or not.
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In 1987 if Donald Trump had put his money into S&P index funds, his net worth would have increased 1336%. His own efforts resulted in his net worth increasing 300%. He therefor substantially underperformed the market and VASTLY underperformed other billionaires.

He did substantial financial harm to multiple lenders and their net LOSSES were larger than all of the gains that Donald Trump got to keep for himself. This illustrates that there is a different set of laws for the rich and for everybody else. What middle class individual could have done this?



http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/
 
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fskimospy

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Doc Savage Fan said:
They're angry and need to vent. During the last 6 years they've lost the House, the Senate and the Presidency...can't say that I blame them...I'd be pissed too.

Meanwhile, it looks like Trump expanded his search for Secretary of State. I'm good with this.
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The only one cursing and calling names is you, so who is really mad here?
 
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fskimospy

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Doc Savage Fan said:
What do you want?
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You said something extremely misleading. I'm going to be charitable here and assume that it was unintentional.

Why not just say that you agree that calling only his bankruptcies failures is misleading? I mean it pretty obviously is.
 
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Doc Savage Fan said:
Wow. I used the word "failed" in direct reference to the 6 bankruptcies and contrasted this with his hundreds of successes. If you want to argue minutia beyond my original point...I'll agree that there were non-bankruptcy failures as well if that somehow makes you feel better. Regardless, my point stands that his successes have far out-weighed his failures in his business dealings....regardless whether or not these failures resulted in bankruptcy or not.
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Well then you used the word failure wrong.
 
Sonikku

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You know who would be a good secretary of state who isn't mired in the quagmire of old guard establishment partisanship? Jon Hunstman. That's the kind of swamp draining I can get behind! But that's not what Trump is doing. Too bad too. I would like nothing more than for Trump to surround himself by the best people imaginable who can keep the establishment of both parties in line and defy all my expectations.
But no. He's shaping up to be an even bigger establishment candidate than Hillary.
 
Doc Savage Fan

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fskimospy said:
You said something extremely misleading. I'm going to be charitable here and assume that it was unintentional.

Why not just say that you agree that calling only his bankruptcies failures is misleading? I mean it pretty obviously is.
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I know that Trump had business failures that didn't result in bankruptcies...and it was never my intent to suggest otherwise. My apparent "crime" here is that I used failed businesses as a loose synonym referencing his 6 bankruptcies. If you want to point out his other failures beyond his bankruptcies, go for it...but being the "honest broker" you are, please don't twist my words and then say you were "misled"...especially after I've clearly stated my actual intent in numerous posts.
 
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Sonikku said:
You know who would be a good secretary of state who isn't mired in the quagmire of old guard establishment partisanship? Jon Hunstman. That's the kind of swamp draining I can get behind! But that's not what Trump is doing. Too bad too. I would like nothing more than for Trump to surround himself by the best people imaginable who can keep the establishment of both parties in line and defy all my expectations.
But no. He's shaping up to be an even bigger establishment candidate than Hillary.
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Isn't Huntsman one of the additional 4 candidates he's considering?

Yes, I thought so.

http://www.sltrib.com/home/4668425-155/trump-heads-to-long-island-for

Or are you being sarcastic here?
 
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Sonikku said:
You know who would be a good secretary of state who isn't mired in the quagmire of old guard establishment partisanship? Jon Hunstman. That's the kind of swamp draining I can get behind! But that's not what Trump is doing. Too bad too. I would like nothing more than for Trump to surround himself by the best people imaginable who can keep the establishment of both parties in line and defy all my expectations.
But no. He's shaping up to be an even bigger establishment candidate than Hillary.
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Republican Establishment. Remember GWB? Like that, just harder & deeper.
 
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brycejones said:
Because you know Oklahoma really needs to become hotter and drier.
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I guess the Ogallala Aquifer is one of those issues people can't be bothered to care about. Which is a shame, since the long-term survival of the Great Plains depends on it.
 
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Balt

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Doc Savage Fan said:
Don't worry...Trump is just a "con"...nothing will happen. ;)
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I actually don't think he's got much of a personal ideology. I see him more as a weather vane who shifts positions based on news, people he surrounds himself with, whatever catches his attention in a particular moment. Other than protecting his ego and having access to twitter, I'm not sure there's much he cares about.

Which doesn't really make him much of a 'drain the swamp' or outsider candidate, since he's likely to take the advice of establishment people he surrounds himself with like Reince Priebus.
 
shortylickens

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I'm actually hoping he picks the worst possible people.
Really drive home the point this whole thing is a giant can of fail.
 
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Balt said:
I guess the Ogallala Aquifer is one of those issues people can't be bothered to care about. Which is a shame, since the long-term survival of the Great Plains depends on it.
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I used to be amazed driving across western Kansas at the fields and the irrigation systems. Now I just cringe.
 
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