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Subyman

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From what I've read, La Raza is a statement that comes from revolutionary times in Mexico. It denotes a fight for independence and supposedly is used in many business names in California. Really shows the lack of diversity in this forum haha that no one can give an authoritative answer to the nuances of this name.
 

alien42

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From what I've read, La Raza is a statement that comes from revolutionary times in Mexico. It denotes a fight for independence and supposedly is used in many business names in California. Really shows the lack of diversity in this forum haha that no one can give an authoritative answer to the nuances of this name.

not every foreign word has a direct translation and i'd say it is the nuances that make an authoritative answer so difficult.

i also have no problem with the word and think that suggesting it is racist is pure ignorance.
 

buckshot24

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From what I've read, La Raza is a statement that comes from revolutionary times in Mexico. It denotes a fight for independence and supposedly is used in many business names in California. Really shows the lack of diversity in this forum haha that no one can give an authoritative answer to the nuances of this name.
The term means "the race" literally. What it refers to in all of these different entities to them is another thing.
 

ivwshane

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This one does however.
Based on what information?

Based on this you troll:

http://sdlrla.com/the-name/

Many people incorrectly translate the name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.”
Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.
The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people” or, according to some scholars, as “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. In contrast, the term “Hispanic” has its origins in the 1970 U.S. Census, and the term “Latino” was officially adopted in 1997 by the U.S. Government in the ethnonym “Hispanic or Latino.”
Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.
And this is not just SDLRLA’s interpretation. According to the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, “La Raza” means:
“…Mexicans or Mexican Americans considered as a group, sometimes extending to all Spanish-speaking people of the Americas.”
Furthermore, MSNBC’s online Spanish-English website, Encarta, translates the term this way:
“Hispanic Spanish-speakers in the Americas: Mexicans, Mexican Americans, or Spanish-speaking people of the Americas, considered as a group.”
The Free Dictionary, available online, similarly finds that the term “La Raza”:
“…embodies the notion that traditional, exclusive concepts of race and nationality can be transcended in the name of humanity’s common destiny.”
 

Drako

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From what I've read, La Raza is a statement that comes from revolutionary times in Mexico. It denotes a fight for independence and supposedly is used in many business names in California. Really shows the lack of diversity in this forum haha that no one can give an authoritative answer to the nuances of this name.

LOL at the "nuances of this name". The name is pretty clear in its meaning.
 

buckshot24

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Haha, the group under discussion says so! You're completely gullible selectively then demand 20 levels of proof for other things.

I like how they say it is an incorrect translation to call La Raza "the race" when that is the literally meaning of the word.

All of this is irrelevant. The group only helps Hispanics to the exclusion of all other ethnicities.
 
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Subyman

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The term means "the race" literally. What it refers to in all of these different entities to them is another thing.

You do understand language is comprised of idioms and double meanings correct? When I'm stoked it doesn't mean I'm actually on fire lol.
 

Subyman

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LOL at the "nuances of this name". The name is pretty clear in its meaning.

And this whole time I thought when something was cool it wasn't actually cold but neat. Thanks for letting me know that everything is literal.
 

Moonbeam

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I'd say he went off the rails, but I think that train long left the station, he does seem to have more of a negative slant than before though.

It's great fun watching the blocks shift especially retroactively. But then to partisans people who don't agree with them a become dirt.
 

hal2kilo

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From what I've read, La Raza is a statement that comes from revolutionary times in Mexico. It denotes a fight for independence and supposedly is used in many business names in California. Really shows the lack of diversity in this forum haha that no one can give an authoritative answer to the nuances of this name.

Yea, on Federal Way about a mile and a half south of SEA TAC there seems to be a lot of Hispanic businesses. One of them is named La Raza. They to auto repair work. Probably a front.
 

Subyman

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Absolutely. Not sure how I said anything differently.

Well let's clear it up once and for all. Here is what La Raza Lawyers say it means:

Many people incorrectly translate the name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.”

Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.

Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by [Mexican scholar José] Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.
 
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Well let's clear it up once and for all. Here is what La Raza Lawyers say it means:

Have you not figured out yet that we don't care what the people who use the term for their own organizations say it means? Literal translation and that is all that is to be considered!
 
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Yea, on Federal Way about a mile and a half south of SEA TAC there seems to be a lot of Hispanic businesses. One of them is named La Raza. They to auto repair work. Probably a front.

Fuck off! 'Judean People's Front'. We're the People's Front of Judea! 'Judean People's Front'.
 

thraashman

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Why do people continue to try to teach buckshot? He's proven time and again that he prefers to be ignorant as hell. He directly fights against learning anything that would better him.
 

Jhhnn

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This thread really is a great example of the effectiveness of right wing propaganda.

We started out discussing some seriously damaging testimony about Trump U and even more damaging internal documents from Trump U (whoops!) to a "Mexican" judge who shows "bias" by merely releasing the materials (whoops!) to raving about... La Raza!

It's quite shrewd when one realizes that the Trump base is a lot more offended by fraud than bigotry. Once we get to the usual schtick about La Raza they're a freak show.
 
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This thread really is a great example of the effectiveness of right wing propaganda.

We started out discussing some seriously damaging testimony about Trump U and even more damaging internal documents from Trump U (whoops!) to a "Mexican" judge who shows "bias" by merely releasing the materials (whoops!) to raving about... La Raza!

It's quite shrewd when one realizes that the Trump base is a lot more offended by fraud than bigotry. Once we get to the usual schtick about La Raza they're a freak show.

yup, this is the spin machine in full assault.
 

buckshot24

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This thread really is a great example of the effectiveness of right wing propaganda.

We started out discussing some seriously damaging testimony about Trump U and even more damaging internal documents from Trump U (whoops!) to a "Mexican" judge who shows "bias" by merely releasing the materials (whoops!) to raving about... La Raza!

It's quite shrewd when one realizes that the Trump base is a lot more offended by fraud than bigotry. Once we get to the usual schtick about La Raza they're a freak show.
If I wanted to bury this thread do you think I'd keep bumping it? Think about that.
 

buckshot24

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Why do people continue to try to teach buckshot? He's proven time and again that he prefers to be ignorant as hell. He directly fights against learning anything that would better him.
Raza literally means "race" to that I am not ignorant. Maybe they are referring to something else but that is what the word means.
 

buckshot24

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Oh poor little buckshat:
Yes, it is the literal translation of the word to call it "race" but it could be used as an idiom for something else. You can't call it an inaccurate translation when that is literally what the word means.