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UNCjigga

UNCjigga

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There was no collusion. There was no collusion. There was no collu...hey wait a minute...who's "Person A"?

https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/978817430368768000

NBC News: In a court filing tonight in the Special Counsel's case against Alex van der Zwaan it identifies a Person A (an associate of Paul Manafort) as having ties to the Russian intelligence service, GRU, in 2016 when Rick Gates was in contact with Person A.

Here is the new court filing:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4424937-Sentencing-Memorandum.html

Here's the previous Mother Jones reporting on van der Zwaan's guilty plea from last month, with speculation on who Person A likely is:
https://www.motherjones.com/politic...y-plea-tells-us-about-muellers-investigation/

Van Der Zwaan pleaded guilty to falsely claiming his last conversation with Gates occurred in mid-August 2016 and that his last conversation with an unnamed “Person A” occurred in 2014. In his plea, Van Der Zwaan admits that he in fact spoke with Gates and Person A in September 2016 about the report and possibility that Skadden, Manafort, and a former Ukrainian minister could face criminal charges related to the report.

Person A, who Weissmann said lives largely in Ukraine, appears to be Konstantin Kilimnik, Manafort’s longtime business associate in the country. Prosecutors have previously suggested that Kilimnik has ties to Russian intelligence. He also functioned in 2016 as an intermediary between Manafort and Oleg Deripaska, an aluminum oligarch suspected of providing intelligence on the US presidential election to Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2016. In one email Manafort sent while he chaired Trump’s campaign, he told Kilimnik that he was willing to privately brief Deripaska on the 2016 presidential contest. Kilimnik’s involvement appears to further tie Van Der Zwaan’s case to Mueller’s broader investigation.
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What this means is that van der Zwaan, Gates and likely Manafort were discussing the Trump campaign and election with a person tied to Russian intelligence, and ALL THREE WERE AWARE of Person A's ties to Russian intelligence.
 
BonzaiDuck

BonzaiDuck

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UNCjigga said:
There was no collusion. There was no collusion. There was no collu...hey wait a minute...who's "Person A"?

https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/978817430368768000

NBC News: In a court filing tonight in the Special Counsel's case against Alex van der Zwaan it identifies a Person A (an associate of Paul Manafort) as having ties to the Russian intelligence service, GRU, in 2016 when Rick Gates was in contact with Person A.

Here is the new court filing:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4424937-Sentencing-Memorandum.html

Here's the previous Mother Jones reporting on van der Zwaan's guilty plea from last month, with speculation on who Person A likely is:
https://www.motherjones.com/politic...y-plea-tells-us-about-muellers-investigation/


What this means is that van der Zwaan, Gates and likely Manafort were discussing the Trump campaign and election with a person tied to Russian intelligence, and ALL THREE WERE AWARE of Person A's ties to Russian intelligence.
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Well, this is all revealing -- promising, if you find Trump so toxic that you yearn for an offense no less criminal than impeachable.

The Holy Grail of investigation pursuits would be any foreknowledge these individuals had of something just specific enough about the Russian psy-war program that would make them criminal conspirators in the vicinity of treason. If they had that knowledge, and if they didn't report it to the FBI, they would be guilty of misprision of treason. If the campaign acted in any way of coordination with the Russian efforts, then you have outright collaboration with Putin's psy-war initiative -- participating with the Russians in an act of warfare against your own country.

If you could prove those things with regard to Manafort and friends, Trump is just one degree of association removed from criminal culpability. And if he had similar knowledge or acted to encourage the collaboration -- well . . . .

. . . . Well. Should we restore public execution for High Treason? Not likely to happen, But they made artist renderings of Ethel Rosenberg's electrocution. Yes indeed:

You-Tube of witness to the Rosenberg BBQ
 
nickqt

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justoh said:
Which ties? Russiaphobia from the left looking lamer every day.
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Russia phobia?

Yes, because people on the left, like the FBI, and CIA, are super duper afraidy-cat of Russia, because, uh, something. But, for sure, not related to their government attempting to interfere with the US election.

Keep on keepin' on, clown.
 
justoh

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What does that actually mean? I cant make sense of it. Are you saying "liberals" are "racist" vs Russians?
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Exactly. At least according to the liberal def of racism, ie. someone involved is of some race.
 
justoh

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interchange said:
Man this thread is full of stupid.
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Indeed, but how did we get here? Good question!

How did we get here? It's worth pointing out that Russophobia is nothing new: it's existed for centuries. In the old Cold War it was mixed with virulent anti-communism. It went away for a while when Boris Yeltsin was in the Kremlin, drunkenly handing out state assets for peanuts to western-backed oligarchs, but returned with a vengeance after President Vladimir Putin began to take a less submissive stance towards those who wanted Russia to be transformed into a colony of the US and monopoly finance capital.
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https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201711091058945881-russophobia-liberal-racism-britain/
 
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interchange

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justoh said:
Indeed, but how did we get here? Good question!
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I am having a hard time seeing how being concerned that we have no plan and have taken minimal action against a foreign government who has incontrovertibly interfered with our Democratic process and continues to operate in this manner is Russophobia. All this under the setting of ongoing and advancing investigation into conspiracy between Russia and the current administration. Why is it phobic to be alarmed that a known bad actor is continuing unchecked? What should we think of a person who discredits this concern?
 
zinfamous

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I still like to consider how in the minds of GOP fluffers, Russian interference went from: "Never happened!" > "Liberal Lies" > "Hillary was the real culprit!" > "Well, it wasn't Trump, HE didn't know!" > "Well, OK, but it's no big deal" > "You are just prejudiced against Russians!"

GOP supporters are pathetic, ignorant, mongrels.
 
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