Trump ties to Russia looking stronger every day

[zinfamous]

This is approaching birther levels of hysteria.

Perhaps some of you are privy to info the CIA is not. If you are, hand it over so we can end this.

If not, come to reality ASAP. The inevitable disappointment to come will be less harsh emotionally.

please explain how this is anything like birtherism. I will continue to giggle while awaiting your answer.

 

[ivwshane]

What are you expecting to find on his taxes?

If there was damning evidence on his taxes WRT russia don't you think someone in the intel community would have made sure it was in public view? We're talking about taxes here. If they wanted that info they could get it. I'm guessing they've already seen it and if it is released many will be disappointed.

You think someone in the Intel community would have leaked trumps taxes?

Lol. I don't even think whistle blower protection would help that person.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is not even remotely close to birther levels of anything. One thing (birtherism) was people convinced of something that was demonstrably false and then kept believing it even harder the more it was disproven. The Trump/Russia stuff is people speculating (sometimes on flimsy evidence!) how much further a scandal will go that has already led to the resignation of one cabinet level official, might get a second one, and could lead to a special prosecutor being appointed.

Sliiiiiiiiiiiiiightly different.

HTFOff is a conservative brain defective who are known to see their own defects in others and have been scientifically shown to deny reality to protect their own egos more than liberals do. It is only natural for him to assume that others are doing what he won't allow himself to see he practices masterfully. He didn't just wind up looking like a blind buffoon without having a real talent for it..

 

[fskimospy]

What are you expecting to find on his taxes?

If there was damning evidence on his taxes WRT russia don't you think someone in the intel community would have made sure it was in public view? We're talking about taxes here. If they wanted that info they could get it. I'm guessing they've already seen it and if it is released many will be disappointed.

Why would the intelligence community have access to Trump's taxes? Tax information for specific people, especially famous ones or political candidates is kept under very secure lock and key at the IRS and it is not something they would share without a subpoena or a warrant of some sort. Are you saying you believe the intelligence community (ie: the FBI) has probable cause to believe Trump has committed a crime? Did the CIA or some other IC entity illegally hack Trump's (or his accountants') computers? Without that it's hard to see how they would have access to his taxes.

 

[LPCTech]

It wouldn't exactly be a civil war, it would be Americans vs. russian traitors(republicans)

...if the allegations are true and they wanna start something.

And if its treason, the punishment is execution.

But I bet the next president would commute it to life.

 

[Commodus]

This is approaching birther levels of hysteria.

Perhaps some of you are privy to info the CIA is not. If you are, hand it over so we can end this.

If not, come to reality ASAP. The inevitable disappointment to come will be less harsh emotionally.

There is a degree of counting eggs before they've hatched, but at the same time, there's a few key reasons that this is isn't just birtherism in left-wing form:

1. There are numerous administration officials who've lied about contact with Russia, apparently including Trump.

2. Trump has an almost pathological refusal to confront Russia on serious issues.

3. Russia is known to have tried to influence the election through the DNC hacks.

4. Russia is disconcertingly pleased that Trump won.

The main question: do intelligence agencies have (or are collecting) evidence that would be incriminating enough that there's no way Trump could avoid impeachment, even with the Republican party determined to look the other way? Based on the leaks, I get the impression that the answer is "possibly, but they're still working on it." The tidbits feel as if they're timed to put Trump on notice and remind the public that he can't make agencies drop their investigations.

 

[HTFOff]

It wouldn't exactly be a civil war, it would be Americans vs. russian traitors(republicans)

...if the allegations are true and they wanna start something.

And if its treason, the punishment is execution.

But I bet the next president would commute it to life.

This pretense is another delusional post election byproduct.

That the left are hawks on russia and the right are traitors that will be brought to heel. No one with an unadulterated mind actually believes the left are the anti-communist hawks or that people who dress their kids in vagina costumes will bring about law and order.

 

[Moonbeam]

This pretense is another delusional post election byproduct.

That the left are hawks on russia and the right are traitors that will be brought to heel. No one with an unadulterated mind actually believes the left are the anti-communist hawks or that people who dress their kids in vagina costumes will bring about law and order.

Four and twenty black birds all baked up in a pie.....

 

[fskimospy]

This pretense is another delusional post election byproduct.

That the left are hawks on russia and the right are traitors that will be brought to heel. No one with an unadulterated mind actually believes the left are the anti-communist hawks or that people who dress their kids in vagina costumes will bring about law and order.

You're right, no person who dresses their kid in a funny costume could ever bring about law and order.

lolwut.

 

[Sonikku]

It would be a real blow to the self esteem of the nation is Trump urns out to be a Russian agent. Just imagine the blackmail potential. Seems to me he and all associated with him will have to be removed for national security reasons.

lol and who would make that happen even if all of this were true? The insane are ruling the asylum at this point.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

please explain how this is anything like birtherism. I will continue to giggle while awaiting your answer.

As a pretty liberal guy I do have to say this thread is essentially a liberal beat off thread

 

[jhbball]

Any conservatives care to actually speak about the contents of this article? Instead of dropping "hysteria" and "circle jerk" lines?

 

[dank69]

Not every bit of negative news is fake, but some of it is.

Admit it, the people that believed peegate without a shred of evidence did so driven by hate because it was anti-Trump fake news. Had the same allegations been made against Hillary they would have called it ridiculous. Were you one of the pee true believers? Urine trouble now!

Says the guy that swallowed every negative story about Hillary.

 

[LPCTech]

It really does seem ridiculous to think that someone elected to be the president could be in league with the russians but...SOOO much circumstantial evidence and people near him with ties and his behavior and russia's actions and all together it seems really suspicious.

And it would explain alot.

 

[pcgeek11]

If he turns out to be guilty, which is a HUGE if, he would probably be impeached and replaced by Pence.

That is what the rules say.

 

[woolfe9998]

The Dossier specifically alleges that the Trump Campaign was on collusion with the Russians. There's no evidence of that, but more details of events in the Dossier are being shown to be true as time goes on. If the Dossier is correct, Trump has committed what I imagine to be the most egregious crime in US Political history.

I think clarification of the meaning of the word "evidence" is in order here. Not trying to pick on you, but James Clapper said the same exact thing in an interview last week, that he had seen "no evidence" of collusion, a statement immediately seized upon and reported with glee by the conservative media. The definition you're applying seems to be similar to how Clapper used the word. It's an overly narrow definition. It equates "evidence" with what we'd call "direct" or "prima facie" evidence. By that definition, it's true. There is no audio tape of a conversation where people are colluding, and no one who is a party to any communications has admitted to collusion. However, there is a load of circumstantial evidence here which suggests collusion. Trump says nice things about Putin - a unprecedented political stance for an American presidential candidate; Russia hacks democratic organizations to help Trump get elected; Trump changes the party platform to favor Russia; Trump publicly calls for Russia to hack Cltnton; all sorts of unexplained communications between the Trump campaign and Russian officials during the election cycle; an observed lack of candor about these communications on the part of Trump and his people. All these circumstances suggest collusion.

I should also mention that in addition to all the circumstantial evidence, that the dossier itself is prima facie evidence, with the important caveat that the credibility of this evidence has not yet been established.

All this is nowhere near enough to convict anyone of anything beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal court. But that's not the same thing as saying "there is no evidence." I think that's a misleading way to characterize the current state of affairs. A better way to look at it is, there isn't sufficient evidence right now. More is needed.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If he turns out to be guilty, which is a HUGE if, he would probably be impeached and replaced by Pence.

If this were true and there are two or more witnesses then we have a legal basis for charges of treason. Wouldn't that be interesting.

 

[sandorski]

I think clarification of the meaning of the word "evidence" is in order here. Not trying to pick on you, but James Clapper said the same exact thing in an interview last week, that he had seen "no evidence" of collusion, a statement immediately seized upon and reported with glee by the conservative media. The definition you're applying seems to be similar to how Clapper used the word. It's an overly narrow definition. It equates "evidence" with what we'd call "direct" or "prima facie" evidence. By that definition, it's true. There is no audio tape of a conversation where people are colluding, and no one who is a party to any communications has admitted to collusion. However, there is a load of circumstantial evidence here which suggests collusion. Trump says nice things about Putin - a unprecedented political stance for an American presidential candidate; Russia hacks democratic organizations to help Trump get elected; Trump changes the party platform to favor Russia; Trump publicly calls for Russia to hack Cltnton; all sorts of unexplained communications between the Trump campaign and Russian officials during the election cycle; an observed lack of candor about these communications on the part of Trump and his people. All these circumstances suggest collusion.

I should also mention that in addition to all the circumstantial evidence, that the dossier itself is prima facie evidence, with the important caveat that the credibility of this evidence has not yet been established.

All this is nowhere near enough to convict anyone of anything beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal court. But that's not the same thing as saying "there is no evidence." I think that's a misleading way to characterize the current state of affairs. A better way to look at it is, there isn't sufficient evidence right now. More is needed.

Fair enough and good point.

 

[soundforbjt]

Here's a handy little chart.

That one is not complete, they left off Wilbur Ross. He was the co-head of that Cyprus bank.

 

[ivwshane]

That one is not complete, they left off Wilbur Ross. He was the co-head of that Cyprus bank.

Figures.



Just for shits and giggles, I'd like to see a similar chart for other presidents and their admins connections to Russia or any other country, entity that stands out. It would really highlight just how unusual this is.

 

[IronWing]

If the Dossier is correct, Trump has committed what I imagine to be the most egregious crime in US Political history.

I'm gonna have to say the Slave Owners' Rebellion was worse.

Slave Owners' Rebellion was worse.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Uh Oh he's got a server like Crooked Hillary. The server has been said to have 2800 requests from a Russian bank.
Unknown why that bank make so many requests mundane answers are:
Something related to Trumps employees like an investment fund
Some kind of phishing attempt
Some kind of spam mail setup in error

^^imagur insists on rotating the picture, sorry

 

[Moonbeam]

lol and who would make that happen even if all of this were true? The insane are ruling the asylum at this point.

Good point. It was the unconscious will of angry Americans to destroy their government. Hard to argue with that.

Our Father in Heaven, Please destroy our fearful jobless souls. We were given a sense of entitlement and you let us down and we always despised Job.

 

[agent00f]

This is approaching birther levels of hysteria.

Perhaps some of you are privy to info the CIA is not. If you are, hand it over so we can end this.

If not, come to reality ASAP. The inevitable disappointment to come will be less harsh emotionally.

Why pretend your sorts are bothered by treason, or any crime for that matter, amongst your own.

 

[disappoint]

Says the guy that swallowed every negative story about Hillary.

Only the true ones, actually.