Trump signs stimulus executive actions: 1) +$400 for unemployment but States pick up 25%. 2) Suspend Medicare/Social Security withholding. 3)...

[hal2kilo]

That is how these sort of things work, that is how they always work. The House bill was an opening bid, the Senate is then supposed to rework it into something that they can pass their chamber and send it back to the House, and that goes round until enough people agree. Most of the time it does not even require a second round as the House approves what the Senate passed, since the Senate started with the House bill and had to keep in mind what would pass that chamber as well. That is politics as usual.

Instead they just sat on it, because Republicans can't agree on a number of their own, so they want to blame Democrats.

Yep. The deal died because the Pubs still don't have their shit in one bag. About 10 of them are die hard FYGM ideologists.

 

[conehead433]

Just saw this - "
President Trump said the 25% funding from the state could be terminated depending on the state." Let me guess. If you're a red state we got you covered, if blue fuck you. If red vote by mail is OK, blue not at all. Definitely not my President and hopefully soon enough he won't be.

 

[hal2kilo]

Just saw this - "
President Trump said the 25% funding from the state could be terminated depending on the state." Let me guess. If you're a red state we got you covered, if blue fuck you. If red vote by mail is OK, blue not at all. Definitely not my President and hopefully soon enough he won't be.

If you are a deplorable, he's your guy.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Who said Medicare for all would be free?

Since you're a sensible person here, you're worthy of a sensible response unlike the children in the room.


It's the convenient way they craft the message to say Medicare for All. The majority of people they are targeting don't understand that as it relates to taxation. Notice how they will never mention "Were going to add a 10% income tax" or "Were going to impose a 15% Value added tax".... or really any commenting whatsoever on how it will be paid for. They are advertising and marketing it as free for the lower IQ individuals who don't even understand the tax withholding on their paystubs.... Which I can definitely say, there are plenty of people that look at their paycheck like it's in a foreign language other than the "Net Pay" portion. I'm not even saying that about poor/middle class folks, I've seen that plenty with well-educated engineers and accountants even heh.

Thus it is advertising as Free. Nothing is free. See quotes below from Bernie's website of a quick google. When you tell someone "Free at the point of service"4 and "no networks, no premiums, no deductibles, no copays" it doesn't at all give an indication to the actual people that reading that instead of a bill after service, they will see a continuous tax paid out on their paychecks.

• Create a Medicare for All, single-payer, national health insurance program to provide everyone in America with comprehensive health care coverage, free at the point of service.
• No networks, no premiums, no deductibles, no copays, no surprise bills.
• Medicare coverage will be expanded and improved to include: include dental, hearing, vision, and home- and community-based long-term care, in-patient and out-patient services, mental health and substance abuse treatment, reproductive and maternity care, prescription drugs, and more.
• Stop the pharmaceutical industry from ripping off the American people by making sure that no one in America pays over $200 a year for the medicine they need by capping what Americans pay for prescription drugs under Medicare for All.

The same was said below in relation to "debt-free public college" as they attempt to appeal to dumb students who racked up debt and implying that they will just magically make the concept of the debt go away....

• Guarantee tuition and debt-free public colleges, universities, HBCUs, Minority Serving Institutions and trade-schools to all.

 

[emperus]

The Dem messaging is predictable bad. Everybody who gives interviews should mention that the Senate/GOP has not passed a bill. That the GOP can't pass one.

 

[hal2kilo]

Since you're a sensible person here, you're worthy of a sensible response unlike the children in the room.


It's the convenient way they craft the message to say Medicare for All. The majority of people they are targeting don't understand that as it relates to taxation. Notice how they will never mention "Were going to add a 10% income tax" or "Were going to impose a 15% Value added tax".... or really any commenting whatsoever on how it will be paid for. They are advertising and marketing it as free for the lower IQ individuals who don't even understand the tax withholding on their paystubs.... Which I can definitely say, there are plenty of people that look at their paycheck like it's in a foreign language other than the "Net Pay" portion. I'm not even saying that about poor/middle class folks, I've seen that plenty with well-educated engineers and accountants even heh.

Thus it is advertising as Free. Nothing is free. See quotes below from Bernie's website of a quick google. When you tell someone "Free at the point of service"4 and "no networks, no premiums, no deductibles, no copays" it doesn't at all give an indication to the actual people that reading that instead of a bill after service, they will see a continuous tax paid out on their paychecks.




The same was said below in relation to "debt-free public college" as they attempt to appeal to dumb students who racked up debt and implying that they will just magically make the concept of the debt go away....

Everybody else is so fuckin dumb. How can you stand it.

 

[fskimospy]

L

Just saw this - "
President Trump said the 25% funding from the state could be terminated depending on the state." Let me guess. If you're a red state we got you covered, if blue fuck you. If red vote by mail is OK, blue not at all. Definitely not my President and hopefully soon enough he won't be.

Remember during impeachment when the Democrats said he could and would run the same Ukraine playbook on state governors? Gee, turns out they were right.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Since you're a sensible person here, you're worthy of a sensible response unlike the children in the room.


It's the convenient way they craft the message to say Medicare for All. The majority of people they are targeting don't understand that as it relates to taxation. Notice how they will never mention "Were going to add a 10% income tax" or "Were going to impose a 15% Value added tax".... or really any commenting whatsoever on how it will be paid for. They are advertising and marketing it as free for the lower IQ individuals who don't even understand the tax withholding on their paystubs.... Which I can definitely say, there are plenty of people that look at their paycheck like it's in a foreign language other than the "Net Pay" portion. I'm not even saying that about poor/middle class folks, I've seen that plenty with well-educated engineers and accountants even heh.

Thus it is advertising as Free. Nothing is free. See quotes below from Bernie's website of a quick google. When you tell someone "Free at the point of service"4 and "no networks, no premiums, no deductibles, no copays" it doesn't at all give an indication to the actual people that reading that instead of a bill after service, they will see a continuous tax paid out on their paychecks.




The same was said below in relation to "debt-free public college" as they attempt to appeal to dumb students who racked up debt and implying that they will just magically make the concept of the debt go away....

Without digging way into the rabbit hole, every politician I have heard in moderately recent times (recent means within the last 25 years) has said some version of current personal and business insurance expenses will become taxes and there may be cuts to other parts of the budget or as Bernie and Warren said "yes there will be more taxes"
I seriously don't know anyone respectable who has claimed medicare for all would be free because reasons. I have heard the typical lunatic who makes outrageous claims who is not a policy maker or a candidate or an insurance expert or well any type of expert except in maybe collectible cards or manga or whatever make a claim that medicare for all would be free.
I have had deplorable friends make the claim sort of like you did in jest or an attempt to smear someone but even those guys know it is not what is being talked about.
Everyone understands medicare for all means what you pay for healthcare now becomes a tax meaning some would save money, some would spend more money and most would be more or less in the same position they currently are. The benefit isn't necessarily in the cost savings it is in the reliable coverage for all and no fear of an illness leading to bankruptcy, plus cutting all the irritating billing bullshit like in network vs out of network.
We literally have the most expensive healthcare in the world and we have mediocre results from our care vs dollars spent. There is no place in the world that runs healthcare like we do, there is no place in the world that runs a successful free market based health system.

 

[Jhhnn]

Everybody else is so fuckin dumb. How can you stand it.

Any argument dependent on projection is defective, which is his schtick here entirely. The whole discussion of healthcare is diversionary, anyway, another of his faves.

 

[JEDI]

Just saw this - "
President Trump said the 25% funding from the state could be terminated depending on the state." Let me guess. If you're a red state we got you covered, if blue fuck you. If red vote by mail is OK, blue not at all. Definitely not my President and hopefully soon enough he won't be.

he's getting the $ from federal disaster funds.
but inorder to use it, states have to chip in 25% first.
thus +$300 fed unemployment if states add +$100 first.

now Trump is trying to get around that 25% law so States dont have to chip in $100.
i predict there will be many private citizens challenging this in the courts if he goes this path.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

he's getting the $ from federal disaster funds.
but inorder to use it, states have to chip in 25% first.
thus +$300 fed unemployment if states add +$100 first.

now Trump is trying to get around that 25% law so States dont have to chip in $100.
i predict there will be many private citizens challenging this in the courts if he goes this path.

It's all just smoke and mirrors. Democrats know they can't completely go against this (hence why lawsuits haven't been filed) because they would look bad to their citizens.

States would be incredibly stupid to decline the $100 just because it would look so bad for them. It's negotiating tactic 101.

 

[hal2kilo]

Yep. The deal died because the Pubs still don't have their shit in one bag. About 10 of them are die hard FYGM ideologists.

Hey, here is one of them now...

GOP Sen. Ron Johnson expresses "hope" that pandemic stimulus talks fail: "It’s very good news"

“From my standpoint, the breakdown in the talks is very good news. It’s very good news for future generations"

www.salon.com

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

It's all just smoke and mirrors. Democrats know they can't completely go against this (hence why lawsuits haven't been filed) because they would look bad to their citizens.

States would be incredibly stupid to decline the $100 just because it would look so bad for them. It's negotiating tactic 101.

It's playing political games with the peoples' lives and livelihoods.

 

[fskimospy]

It's all just smoke and mirrors. Democrats know they can't completely go against this (hence why lawsuits haven't been filed) because they would look bad to their citizens.

States would be incredibly stupid to decline the $100 just because it would look so bad for them. It's negotiating tactic 101.

Prediction: lots of states will decline.

 

[hal2kilo]

Meanwhile with Rome burning...

Billionaires have made an absolute killing during the pandemic. The number is staggering.

Our new video shows billionaires have made an absolute killing during the pandemic.

www.motherjones.com

No wonder there's no big push by the Republicans, their contributors are doing just fine, thank you.

 

[K1052]

It seems the financial press has discovered finally that talks in DC aren't happening and investors that a massive fiscal stimulus could be missing.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

It seems the financial press has discovered finally that talks in DC aren't happening and investors that a massive fiscal stimulus could be missing.

lol I love how it took that long...

 

[Jhhnn]

It's all just smoke and mirrors. Democrats know they can't completely go against this (hence why lawsuits haven't been filed) because they would look bad to their citizens.

States would be incredibly stupid to decline the $100 just because it would look so bad for them. It's negotiating tactic 101.

Dems won't act against it because they don't have to & because it's better than nothing. Well, maybe, because it may never become anything at all, other than a stalling tactic. States have budgetary constraints that the federal govt does not. To put money into this they have to take it from somewhere else. Revenues are already hugely depressed. It's fakery, an attempt to make a 50% cut in federal UI benefits look like it's "only" a third.

 

[pcgeek11]

When two sides are at an impasse, what made you decide that one side, not the other, is solely responsible for said impasse?

That is correct. Both sides are equally responsible.

 

[woolfe9998]

That is correct. Both sides are equally responsible.

In theory, one side could be more responsible. It depends on whose demands are reasonable and whose are not. My issue with his post is he stated that one side was mainly responsible without giving any reasons why.

 

[sportage]

Trump pulled a "stunt" with this executive action BS. Trump knows it's a scam. Trump knows he did something that even Trump doesn't believe in. So eventually when Donald realized no one is buying into this crapola, Donald Trump will insist republicans return to the table to negotiate. ONLY A DEAL between both sides can save Donald Trump now.... For one, a deal would let Donald off the hook and Donald would not have to face reality when his executive order scheme falls flat. And second, Donald could deflect the heat back onto the democrats. I give it a week, two at most and they will have a deal. Americans can not go too long having no income nor a job.

 

[pcgeek11]

In theory, one side could be more responsible. It depends on whose demands are reasonable and whose are not. My issue with his post is he stated that one side was mainly responsible without giving any reasons why.

I am of the opinion that this didn't sneak up on any of them. Due to their shitty negotiating in recent history they should have started earlier. But as always they seem to wait until the last minute on everything except their vacations and recess'.

 

[emperus]

I am of the opinion that this didn't sneak up on any of them. Due to their shitty negotiating in recent history they should have started earlier. But as always they seem to wait until the last minute on everything except their vacations and recess'.

Who should have started earlier? The House has a bill. THey passed it 2 months ago. Does the Senate have one? Why not? I tire of this both sides BS.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Who should have started earlier? The House has a bill. THey passed it 2 months ago. Does the Senate have one? Why not? I tire of this both sides BS.

Indeed. But #MoscowMitch and #TraitorInChief DGAF, the professed obstructionist party marches on with their "My way or the highway routine"

Get bent America.

 

[brycejones]

I am of the opinion that this didn't sneak up on any of them. Due to their shitty negotiating in recent history they should have started earlier. But as always they seem to wait until the last minute on everything except their vacations and recess'.

hmmmmm...Who do you think deliberately held off starting negotiations? Who kept saying it wasn't the right time to look at further actions?