Trump orders media blackout at EPA

[Jhhnn]

The last time we beat Nazis, we did it by loving them, right?

Trumpsters are fellow Americans who've just absorbed too much right wing agitprop.

The goal is to get them to question their own erroneous beliefs. Yeh, their leadership will call it gaslighting but it's just a call for some introspection.

 

[Blackjack200]

Trumpsters are fellow Americans who've just absorbed too much right wing agitprop.

The goal is to get them to question their own erroneous beliefs. Yeh, their leadership will call it gaslighting but it's just a call for some introspection.

I don't think you have any clue how far they're gone. They stopped believing us 25 years ago. It's over. How long have Rush and Sean been screaming about the liberal media? There is direct lineage to the shit that Sean Spicer is now doing in a presidential administration. Trumpsters are not fellow Americans anymore than the Franco's fascists were fellow Spaniards.

Tomorrow, Trump is coming for the immigrants, he will probably follow that up with inner city blacks. In other words, the most vulnerable people in the country. After that, who knows? Socialists? Unionists? He is a ball of rage that has been simmering on Fox News, and nothing he does will calm it, because the rage comes from the ugliness inside.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't think you have any clue how far they're gone. They stopped believing us 25 years ago. It's over. How long have Rush and Sean been screaming about the liberal media? There is direct lineage to the shit that Sean Spicer is now doing in a presidential administration. Trumpsters are not fellow Americans anymore than the Franco's fascists were fellow Spaniards.

Tomorrow, Trump is coming for the immigrants, he will probably follow that up with inner city blacks. In other words, the most vulnerable people in the country. After that, who knows? Socialists? Unionists? He is a ball of rage that has been simmering on Fox News, and nothing he does will calm it, because the rage comes from the ugliness inside.

I realize that Trump voters just said "Screw You!" to the rest of America. They'll find out they're screwing themselves, too, soon enough. They're victims of decades of relentless corrosive right wing propaganda & finally the greatest con artist in the world.

Let's face it- they're a minority, anyway, & Trump likely won't win many converts over the next 4 years. There's no point in driving them deeper into their bunkers o' denial. Quite the contrary.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Because Obama did such a great job with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Gold_King_Mine_waste_water_spill
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Although the river turned a bright orange-yellow soon after the release, the EPA failed to notify local residents of the spill for more than 24 hours. Press and local officials sharply criticized the EPA for this slow response.[10] The Associated Press reported, 17 days after the spill: "In the wake of the spill, it has typically taken days to get any detailed response from the agency, if at all."[34]"


http://www.denverpost.com/2016/10/12/gold-king-mine-epa-employee-will-not-prosecute/

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The U.S. Attorney in Denver will not prosecute an Environmental Protection Agency employee involved in the Gold King Mine disaster, leaving it to the agency to determine administrative action against the employee.

A decision made Oct. 6 was based on information submitted by the EPA’s Office of Inspector General to federal prosecutors after a year-long internal probe.

Instead of a criminal prosecution, the EPA’s internal investigators “will submit a report of an investigation to the agency that details the findings of our investigation,” OIG spokesman Jeff Lagda said in response to queries.

“The agency, not the OIG, will then determine what administrative action they may take against the employee based on that report,” Lagda said. “The EPA will have to report to the OIG what administrative action the EPA will undertake.” "

Still waiti.....................OHHH never mind we have a new President now.

How is this even relevant to the criticism?

Instead of arguing the case that yes its good to do what Trump is doing or addressing the OPs concerns, you bring up Obama minutia.

Sigh.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

You're the one being disingenuous about the EPA when 29 States have filed lawsuits against their overreach.

Are they valid lawsuits? Is this pretty normal Federal & State bickering? Who knows in the game of zero-sum politics where rhetoric dominates and facts and debate are pointless.

 

[Jhhnn]

How is this even relevant to the criticism?

Instead of arguing the case that yes its good to do what Trump is doing or addressing the OPs concerns, you bring up Obama minutia.

Sigh.

It's remarkable how Taj defends a blackout of the EPA with an incident where they didn't put out information fast enough to suit their critics. At least they've now been relieved of such responsibility, right?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Its right up there with bringing up Hillary every time someone criticisms Trump.

 

[digiram]

How are we suppose to compete with Chinese sweatshops with the epa in the way? Cmon, he's trying to bring jobs back.. enjoy getting paid 5 bucks per hr once he gets rid of min wage to.. lol

 

[theeedude]

Paranoid control freak in charge of the nuclear codes. Lovely. At least Richard Nixon had a brain.

 

[brycejones]

Paranoid control freak in charge of the nuclear codes. Lovely. At least Richard Nixon had a brain.

Trump has the best brain, a really great brain. He knows more than the generals because he went to military school as a kid. He also knows the best words like bigly.

 

[zinfamous]

I don't think you have any clue how far they're gone. They stopped believing us 25 years ago. It's over. How long have Rush and Sean been screaming about the liberal media? There is direct lineage to the shit that Sean Spicer is now doing in a presidential administration. Trumpsters are not fellow Americans anymore than the Franco's fascists were fellow Spaniards.

Tomorrow, Trump is coming for the immigrants, he will probably follow that up with inner city blacks. In other words, the most vulnerable people in the country. After that, who knows? Socialists? Unionists? He is a ball of rage that has been simmering on Fox News, and nothing he does will calm it, because the rage comes from the ugliness inside.

As cynical as this campaign has made me, I'm still somewhat optimistic for our republic. If Trump doesn't change gears soon and start focusing on governing, even Fox and their assorted dingleberry media outlets will swiftly turn on him. I think the cracks are already forming.

 

[PokerGuy]

Wait till he starts in on the Department of Energy, then you're really going to hear the lefties howl.

Hey, when you start draining the swamp, you can expect a lot of the swamp critters to scream and howl

 

[PokerGuy]

As cynical as this campaign has made me, I'm still somewhat optimistic for our republic. If Trump doesn't change gears soon and start focusing on governing, even Fox and their assorted dingleberry media outlets will swiftly turn on him. I think the cracks are already forming.

I don't see any cracks forming yet. Conservatives are probably very pleasantly surprised to see what Trump has done in such a short amount of time. Places like Fox had better get in line or lose their viewer base.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Could alternative facts change the way that the EPA collects evidence? Will Trump installed shills stand before polluted waterways with dead fish floating on top of them and declare that they are the healthiest they've been in decades? Stay tuned for this and more on as Trump's Alternative World Turns - America's newest soap opera.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The last time we beat Nazis, we did it by loving them, right?

Gotcha.

I didn't vote for Hillary and people have blamed me for Trump. I'm an older guy so I should be easy prey, right?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Gotcha.

I didn't vote for Hillary and people have blamed me for Trump. I'm an older guy so I should be easy prey, right?

A lot of posters here (well everywhere really) have a hard time with other posters who don't strongly align with a particular ideology, but instead ask tough questions and criticize stupidity.

Its just easier for them to put you in a box instead of arguing a point.

Just because I think Trump is a disaster doesn't make me a communist. But I will call someone out for supporting a narrow thinking despicable human being and justifying it with complete bullshit.

 

[zinfamous]

I don't see any cracks forming yet. Conservatives are probably very pleasantly surprised to see what Trump has done in such a short amount of time. Places like Fox had better get in line or lose their viewer base.

What has he done?

Other than declaring his inauguration Patriotic devotion Saint Trump day, and demanding apologies from...everyone?...for not adequately attending his anointed Saint day? What else has he done? He's still WAY behind all previous administrations in hiring an actual staff (I'm talking those that need no confirmation), and the picks he has made that need to go through Congress have significant baggage wrg to their interests and serving the public good, which they were very late to bring to the table...so another delay.

Commanding a repeal of the ACA? Nothing tangible will happen there for at least 2 years, even if that simply poofed into happening today.

What has he done that involves actual work?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Hey, when you start draining the swamp, you can expect a lot of the swamp critters to scream and howl

lol, you still believe he drained any 'swamp'
sucks to be you.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

A lot of posters here (well everywhere really) have a hard time with other posters who don't strongly align with a particular ideology, but instead ask tough questions and criticize stupidity.

Its just easier for them to put you in a box instead of arguing a point.

Just because I think Trump is a disaster doesn't make me a communist. But I will call someone out for supporting a narrow thinking despicable human being and justifying it with complete bullshit.

Yeah I get it. You may have noticed I'm not afraid of pointing out things myself and one way I do it is to take a statement and run with it. I don't like Trump and you probably know. I also didn't like Hillary and my main complaint has been about a system that provided the most disliked candidates pretty much ever and then the partisans screaming when I and others don't like the swill offered. It's always us who are wrong. They are the Guiding Lights, just ask them.

Well I and a significant part of America disagree. OK, whatever.

But then the race is over and people show their natures. I for example helped elect Trump because I didn't vote for their unacceptable (to me) candidate. What I really did is express my opinion that neither were fit. It was those who insisted they knew better than everyone who put Hillary in office and the DNC showed their preference.

OK, whatever.

But now it gets a bit nasty with the "Nazi" stuff. We got rid of the Nazi's by bombing and shooting them. Since I'm at "fault" for Trump winning why not free the nation of people just like me? It follows from the statement. Indeed I am an older guy, but while I'm not going to be winning a race I have reason to believe I would not be an easy target and neither would others. It wouldn't be easy.

I understand that most of this is hyperbole, but it does illustrate that people who say they want to help others are really saying that they must do so by acknowledging their inherent superiority and are "Nazi's if they do not.

Funny thing human nature.

Ok, Whatever.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Aka zero-sum politics

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Aka zero-sum politics

At the moment, yes.

IMO the future rests not with Trump, but how people come to understand, or not. If people engage in a healthy dose of introspection and objectively examine what they did and correct course then a Trump Presidency might be of benefit albeit in a perverse way. Looking without colored glasses of partisanship they just might begin to understand that everyone is more than a race or a class or like characteristic in which to arrange in a row as friend or foe. The world isn't that simple.

But to date people have not done so. Instead they lash out in hate of those "not self", and that's sad. My hope is that this is a reaction to rejection and most are just lashing out in frustration. It's what they do afterwards that's important. Will they move beyond their respective ideologies and broaden their understanding or will they hunt Nazis.

Remains to be seen.

 

[Vic]

Jerb Creator!

There is already legitimate concern that Trump will start doing what he falsely accused Obama of and start cooking the unemployment numbers. This guy is going to erode the public confidence in our government in almost every respect.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/24/new...-unemployment-bls/index.html?category=economy

 

[Blackjack200]

At the moment, yes.

IMO the future rests not with Trump, but how people come to understand, or not. If people engage in a healthy dose of introspection and objectively examine what they did and correct course then a Trump Presidency might be of benefit albeit in a perverse way. Looking without colored glasses of partisanship they just might begin to understand that everyone is more than a race or a class or like characteristic in which to arrange in a row as friend or foe. The world isn't that simple.

But to date people have not done so. Instead they lash out in hate of those "not self", and that's sad. My hope is that this is a reaction to rejection and most are just lashing out in frustration. It's what they do afterwards that's important. Will they move beyond their respective ideologies and broaden their understanding or will they hunt Nazis.

Remains to be seen.

So in your view, the people in need of introspection, the ones "lashing out" are the ones opposing Trump?

That's astounding.

 

[PokerGuy]

There is already legitimate concern that Trump will start doing what he falsely accused Obama of and start cooking the unemployment numbers. This guy is going to erode the public confidence in our government in almost every respect.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/24/new...-unemployment-bls/index.html?category=economy

haha, citing fake news outlet as a source of "legitimate concern" Good one!

 

[PokerGuy]

So in your view, the people in need of introspection, the ones "lashing out" are the ones opposing Trump?

That's astounding.

Yes, the ones throwing tantrums, looting, rioting, threatening, posting hateful message etc etc.