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Lost_in_the_HTTP

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Ideally the Senate would convict/remove and disqualify so she could never be nominated again.

Yes, I know the DQ can be lifted, but would it ever happen?
 
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you2

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Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
Ideally the Senate would convict/remove and disqualify so she could never be nominated again.

Yes, I know the DQ can be lifted, but would it ever happen?
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Ideally the Senate would put duty above partisan behavior but of course we can see at least in recent years it is party before duty.
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Just read this article to understand how corrupt the republicans have become:
news.yahoo.com

Network of Georgia election officials strategizing to undermine 2024 result

Emails reveal Georgia Election Integrity Coalition, a group of officials and election deniers, coordinating in swing state
news.yahoo.com news.yahoo.com

local people take their marching orders from a non-govt republican national organization calling the shots.
 
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fskimospy

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K1052 said:
I would order Garland to release it and pardon him for it. If he refuses I would fire him and each person in line till I find somebody at DOJ who will do it. Fucking enough already
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Completely agree. I would wait a few days to see what the 11th circuit does as Cannon has no jurisdiction here but if they don't act then yes, just release it anyway and say 'fuck you'.

Seems pretty clear the intent here is to delay release of the report until Trump is in office so he can order it destroyed.
 
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fskimospy said:
Completely agree. I would wait a few days to see what the 11th circuit does as Cannon has no jurisdiction here but if they don't act then yes, just release it anyway and say 'fuck you'.

Seems pretty clear the intent here is to delay release of the report until Trump is in office so he can order it destroyed.
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I would wait zero days at this point. Order the whole DOJ leadership team in to the cabinet room and explain what you want and the first person who gives it to you doesn't get fired on the spot. Have them email it out to the press from their phone right there right then.
 
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compcons

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Fanatical Meat said:
I agree with the above sentiments, our current justice system and leadership does not have the fire in their bellies to do so.
It. Will. Not. Happen.
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This is so true. Too many people are either part of the problem or think that somehow decency and decorum will prevail. The rules and norms have been blasted to pieces by Republicans. There is nothing to lose by burning whatever is left. Voters will be angry but will forget by election time. Fuck this shit.
 
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fskimospy

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K1052 said:
I would wait zero days at this point. Order the whole DOJ leadership team in to the cabinet room and explain what you want and the first person who gives it to you doesn't get fired on the spot. Have them email it out to the press from their phone right there right then.
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It's a transparently stupid ruling but it would be better if the 11th circuit struck it down instead. I agree with you that I would not wait long though as I doubt this will be the last attempt to block its release so it needs to get over to the DOJ as fast as possible.

Pretty amazing ruling though - essentially the ruling is that the the judiciary may bar a member of the (unitary!) executive branch from passing a document to another member of the executive branch, even though doing so is required by law, all because this may cause problems for someone who is not currently the executive, all in a case she doesn't even have jurisdiction over.

This is the judicial branch engaged in a further attack on democracy and the rule of law and is further attempting to usurp the powers of the elected branches.
 
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fskimospy said:
This is the judicial branch engaged in a further attack on democracy and the rule of law and is further attempting to usurp the powers of the elected branches.
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The founders made a big mistake in assuming that people's loyalty to their branch of government (and protecting their power) would outrank loyalty to a specific party.
 
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fskimospy

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Brainonska511 said:
The founders made a big mistake in assuming that people's loyalty to their branch of government (and protecting their power) would outrank loyalty to a specific party.
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I agree, but there's no set of governing documents that can preserve a system if the people taking part in it aren't interested. Again, the Soviet and North Korean constitutions are in many ways far more liberal than ours and... well...yeah.

For democracy to work the participants in the political system need to generally view the system as more important than their personal preferences. Unfortunately we are in a place where Republicans don't feel that way.
 
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fskimospy said:
I agree, but there's no set of governing documents that can preserve a system if the people taking part in it aren't interested. Again, the Soviet and North Korean constitutions are in many ways far more liberal than ours and... well...yeah.

For democracy to work the participants in the political system need to generally view the system as more important than their personal preferences. Unfortunately we are in a place where Republicans don't feel that way.
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In part, their behaviors are driven by a lack of specific rules that should have been explicitly laid out and modified as time has passed. The norms should have been enshrined as laws as they evolved. Since they can personally benefit from their positions and the rules have to much room for interpretation and can be ignored, we have asshats doing asshole things.
 
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fskimospy

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compcons said:
In part, their behaviors are driven by a lack of specific rules that should have been explicitly laid out and modified as time has passed. The norms should have been enshrined as laws as they evolved. Since they can personally benefit from their positions and the rules have to much room for interpretation and can be ignored, we have asshats doing asshole things.
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Laws don’t matter either. Constitutions don’t matter. It’s all about people agreeing on a way to run things.
 
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