News Trump: Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI

[soundforbjt]

Yes, I think people should be aware that if they steal classified documents and then lie about it they could be subject to prosecution.

Even trump knew it, he just believes (like most MAGAs) that laws don’t apply to them.

 

[HomerJS]

IF this gets to trial, how will they ever get an unbiased jury?

The goal is to get a jury to put their biases to the side and judge based on the facts. Every human being has biases.

 

[soundforbjt]

The goal is to get a jury to put their biases to the side and judge based on the facts. Every human being has biases.

My prediction is somehow he gets off with minor punishment.

 

[soundforbjt]

Trump appears to have gotten Judge Aileen Cannon for now, she was appointed by trump. This is being reported by ABC news.

 

[akugami]

Trump appears to have gotten Judge Aileen Cannon, appointed by trump according to ABC News.

Again? Seriously? Will it end as badly for her as the last time?

 

[fskimospy]

Again? Seriously? Will it end as badly for her as the last time?

She will be stopped from doing any huge bullshit by the 11th circuit but yes she’s definitely going to try and put her thumb on the scale.

 

[Zorba]

What gets me is all theses idiots on Fox keep saying “If it can happen to trump, it could happen to you.”

Yeah, I don’t think most people will have access to classified materials.

And hopefully it would happen to anyone that was mishandling classified information in similar ways.

People shouldn't get raked over the coals for accidental mishandling, and they don't, but this was no accident.

 

[sportage]

My prediction is somehow he gets off with minor punishment.

If the legal waters get too hot for Donald I would expect Trump to cut a deal, or deals to save his ass.
And any deal if allowed would include banning Trump from serving as president ever again. A requirement Trump would have to agree to.

For Trump to cut a deal would be the admittance of guilt minus the punishment. Never holding office ever again in any government capacity would be the punishment as far as punishment goes. It will be interesting to see if Donald Trump would be willing to accept that requirement in order to avoid jail.

And knowing Donald Trump, Trump could just invent a new all-mighty position of leadership for himself. Like he did after the twitter ban when he simply invented his own media platform. Trump could invent his own position of high authority where followers would terminate their allegiance to the United States and swear allegiance to the authority of Donald Trump. As if Donald Trump were a government in himself.

Trump would make the laws, set the rules, set the guidance and collect the taxes while his followers quit paying the taxes and quit following the laws and quit following the rules set by the US government. All that would be left for the followers of Trump to do is to figure out where the hell they are going to live under this leadership of Donald Trump. Or instead, with all of those guns they own, Trump's people could just invade some state or maybe two and take over that land.
I guess we'll see....

 

[fskimospy]

Considering they have a taped confession from Trump some sort of deal is probably a smart move for him.

Basically as I see it his options here are to go all in and hope he or a Republican wins in 2024 so he can be pardoned or make a plea deal. I can’t see any way he wins a trial here and if he does go to trial he’s looking at major prison time.

 

[Zorba]

Trump appears to have gotten Judge Aileen Cannon for now, she was appointed by trump. This is being reported by ABC news.

Hopefully they've got another set of charges lined up in DC. Cannon might go as far as dismissing the charges with prejudice. What's she care, there is no punishment for corruption and the next Republican president would promote her.

 

[Zorba]

Considering they have a taped confession from Trump some sort of deal is probably a smart move for him.

Basically as I see it his options here are to go all in and hope he or a Republican wins in 2024 so he can be pardoned or make a plea deal. I can’t see any way he wins a trial here and if he does go to trial he’s looking at major prison time.

Do we really think another Republican would pardon him? I think they'd all be glad he's locked up and not shit talking then constantly. Not like he ever returns favors. I definitely see them also saying they would in the primary, but have a feeling they'll stop talking about it as soon as they get the nomination.

 

[fskimospy]

Hopefully they've got another set of charges lined up in DC. Cannon might go as far as dismissing the charges with prejudice. What's she care, there is no punishment for corruption and the next Republican president would promote her.

If she does she will be smacked down by the 11th circuit again.

It’s bad for the case that she was assigned to it as she’s going to try and help Trump wherever she can but an outright dismissal would be something that the appeals court would not permit.

 

[fskimospy]

Do we really think another Republican would pardon him? I think they'd all be glad he's locked up and not shit talking then constantly. Not like he ever returns favors. I definitely see them also saying they would in the primary, but have a feeling they'll stop talking about it as soon as they get the nomination.

I am highly confident that another Republican would pardon him, especially because I think Trump is going to trade his endorsement for a promise of a pardon.

 

[Zorba]

If she does she will be smacked down by the 11th circuit again.

I thought that was basically never over turned on appeals, because the person's right to no double Jeopardy is seen as much more important than the state's right to prosecute.

But if it was this blatant they probably would over turn it. But she can do a lot of other fuckery to make it easier on Trump.

 

[Zorba]

I am highly confident that another Republican would pardon him, especially because I think Trump is going to trade his endorsement for a promise of a pardon.

So what if they promise? They don't have to actually do it. Why would any republican president want to have him around shit talking him and sucking up attention and leading GOP revolts? What would Republican voters do about it? Vote for a Democrat in 2028?

I just see no upside in actually pardoning him for any one.

 

[fskimospy]

I thought that was basically never over turned on appeals, because the person's right to no double Jeopardy is seen as much more important than the state's right to prosecute.

But if it was this blatant they probably would over turn it. But she can do a lot of other fuckery to make it easier on Trump.

There’s no double jeopardy there, the decision itself is what is appealed so it’s still just the one charge.

I am highly confident if she tried to dismiss the charges against Trump when he’s on tape confessing to them that the 11th circuit would step in. I suspect what she will do instead is just try to hamstring the prosecution during the trial.

 

[sportage]

Personally I don't care if some other future president pardons Donald Trump. The fact is.... as it stands now..... Donald Trump WILL NEVER be president of the United States again. Period.
Trump can campaign, Trump can fly around in his airplane holding rallies, Trump can raise money, Trump can do all of that but in the end none of that matters because.... Donald Trump WILL NEVER be president again. You can take that to the bank.

Trump HAS BEEN indicted.
Trump WILL BE found guilty.
And whether or not Trump "cuts a deal", it will be his guilt or his "deal" that will deny Donald Trump the presidency forever more.
He's finished.
Oh, he can still pretend to play the game of candidate, but Donald Trump is finished. He's a cooked goose.
Donald Trump will never be the president, not in 2024 and nor beyond.

 

[K1052]

So what if they promise? They don't have to actually do it. Why would any republican president want to have him around shit talking him and sucking up attention and leading GOP revolts? What would Republican voters do about it? Vote for a Democrat in 2028?

I just see no upside in actually pardoning him for any one.

I see nothing to suggest most of the party's voters will abandon him or reward candidates that turn on him. When the conversation is all about Trump and how the Democrats, deep state, illuminati, aliens from the 9th dimension, etc are being unfair to him that's very bad news for all his challengers.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

It's blatantly obvious that Little Miss Judgie Poo should be recused, by her own choice, or that of others.

 

[fskimospy]

So what if they promise? They don't have to actually do it. Why would any republican president want to have him around shit talking him and sucking up attention and leading GOP revolts? What would Republican voters do about it? Vote for a Democrat in 2028?

I just see no upside in actually pardoning him for any one.

My thought would be that Trump would do that anyway so it’s best to have him shit talking in your favor.

 

[soundforbjt]

I see nothing to suggest most of the party's voters will abandon him or reward candidates that turn on him. When the conversation is all about Trump and how the Democrats, deep state, illuminati, aliens from the 9th dimension, etc are being unfair to him that's very bad news for all his challengers.

It’s going to be interesting to see how far the support goes as the indictments pile up this year. Most of the republicans in the Senate have been silent.

 

[Zorba]

Yr

I see nothing to suggest most of the party's voters will abandon him or reward candidates that turn on him. When the conversation is all about Trump and how the Democrats, deep state, illuminati, aliens from the 9th dimension, etc are being unfair to him that's very bad news for all his challengers.

Yeah, but once they can't pardon him unless they become president. And at that point it doesn't matter what their base voters think, those people would vote for them in 2028 regardless.

I just don't see a facist leader pardoning the more popular former fascist leader that has shown the first thing he'll do to thank you is talk shit on national TV.

 

[HomerJS]

Trump appears to have gotten Judge Aileen Cannon for now, she was appointed by trump. This is being reported by ABC news.

Didn't we learn lessons from the last time?

 

[Zorba]

My thought would be that Trump would do that anyway so it’s best to have him shit talking in your favor.

No way he is going to carry water for a different Republican president, he'd start shit talking the R president the next day. Better to leave him in jail with little communication ability.

 

[MrSquished]

Promise to pardon Trump and you can campaign on that. Get his voters out too. Why wouldn't they?