zinfamous
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zinfamous
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He also tweeted: "When things settle down, everyone will be thanking me!"
That's actually true: Things "will settle down" once his diabetic ass is out of the WH and back on the street, peddling Mexican steaks and ties to ignorant wannabe rich people. He will be thanked, of course, for precipitating his own demise.
(fun fact: when people start using the word "things" in place of nouns and proper nouns, especially the elderly, it is one of the hallmarks of dementia, according to the DSM. The overuse of "things" is actually one of the details that Baker and the WH staff, in 1987, was looking into when they considered that it might be necessary to remove Reagan, due to his erratic and listless behavior over the previous 3 years)
Grooveriding
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No use arguing with fanatical Trump cultists. They believe the word of a proven lying degenerate like Trump over evidence and are not capable of rational discourse.
Trump is a criminal lacking in any fucks to give about the duties of his job. His regime is already claiming the investigation into Russia's interference in the election should be ended. Even if he manages to stay in place until the next election, getting an infrastructure in place to stop future Russian interference is going to be difficult with him interfering, he needs their help going on him winning on a fine thread of 70,000 votes in the past election. They will be back in 2020 to try and help him win again. Fanatics like Chiroptinut will be there, gladly ready to receive the fake news conspiracy theories once again and the fruits of their hacking. Trump will assuredly lie and start with his mass illegal voters conspiracy again in the next election, what if he loses while running that conspiracy again, yet has the powers of the office ? He has over three years to erode and try to break down the systems that should protect from illegal means of participating in an election.
He was shit on by the Yates and Clapper testimony, revealing how they ignored that Flynn was compromised with the Russians and did nothing until it came out in the papers. The next day he fires Comey. He may have been planning to fire Comey for a while and doing it yesterday was the best way to try and drown out the testimony the day before revealing the fact that they had ignored Flynn being compromised until they were forced by it leaking to the media.
My sense is Russia's involvement in promoting him and helping his campaign was an effort that was well out of his control, running full speed during his campaign. Now it's all come back to bite him on the ass. He can't erase the evidence law enforcement and the intelligence agencies have that Russia interfered with aims to help him. The media is not letting up on it, so he's trying everything he can in the hopes it will just go away. I still believe it was his associates who have colluded with Russia on this and he was the willing idiot. The people surrounding Trump were the brains of his operation. Trump is a fool, but a useful one for them because he's doing whatever he's told to benefit them now that he is in office. He's got that personality that is easy to play; big unjustified ego, unintelligent and insecure. All he cares about is that they are sycophantic towards him.
Trump is a criminal lacking in any fucks to give about the duties of his job. His regime is already claiming the investigation into Russia's interference in the election should be ended. Even if he manages to stay in place until the next election, getting an infrastructure in place to stop future Russian interference is going to be difficult with him interfering, he needs their help going on him winning on a fine thread of 70,000 votes in the past election. They will be back in 2020 to try and help him win again. Fanatics like Chiroptinut will be there, gladly ready to receive the fake news conspiracy theories once again and the fruits of their hacking. Trump will assuredly lie and start with his mass illegal voters conspiracy again in the next election, what if he loses while running that conspiracy again, yet has the powers of the office ? He has over three years to erode and try to break down the systems that should protect from illegal means of participating in an election.
He was shit on by the Yates and Clapper testimony, revealing how they ignored that Flynn was compromised with the Russians and did nothing until it came out in the papers. The next day he fires Comey. He may have been planning to fire Comey for a while and doing it yesterday was the best way to try and drown out the testimony the day before revealing the fact that they had ignored Flynn being compromised until they were forced by it leaking to the media.
My sense is Russia's involvement in promoting him and helping his campaign was an effort that was well out of his control, running full speed during his campaign. Now it's all come back to bite him on the ass. He can't erase the evidence law enforcement and the intelligence agencies have that Russia interfered with aims to help him. The media is not letting up on it, so he's trying everything he can in the hopes it will just go away. I still believe it was his associates who have colluded with Russia on this and he was the willing idiot. The people surrounding Trump were the brains of his operation. Trump is a fool, but a useful one for them because he's doing whatever he's told to benefit them now that he is in office. He's got that personality that is easy to play; big unjustified ego, unintelligent and insecure. All he cares about is that they are sycophantic towards him.
mikeymikec
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However a belief like that advocates shutting down any discussion with Trump supporters, unless you have a sound metric to discern a Trump supporter who is capable of rational discussion.
Admittedly British people have a similar problem with Brexit supporters; the closest thing I've heard to a rational argument from a brexit supporter was based on their assumption that the EU is imminently about to fall apart, which I can't say there's much evidence for.
I agree, however identifying someone as a troll is the first step for that. Wrt Chiro I'm at this stage:
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My question is this - what is the precedent or impact of say...Great Britain MI6 going totally rogue and just dumping every juicy detail they have to the public? Technically are they under any oath or jurisdiction related to "classified" information related to the US? I'm sure they have some good dirt to expose. At some point can they just say enough is enough and blast every media outlet with the info they have hoping to push the point?
Commodus
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I wouldn't necessarily go that far to explain why the Trump worshippers here will stare truth in the face and insist on believing the lie. To me, it's the backfire effect in action. The Oatmeal has a good explanation of it.
Basically: if you cling tightly to a view, no matter how objectively false it is, it becomes very hard to challenge that view because your mind will treat those new concepts as threats. And if you're the sort who's lashed yourself to Trump's wheel, that means having to deny some pretty egregious offenses. "I can't accept that Trump tells demonstrably false lies on a near-constant basis, because that would involve accepting that he's a bad person who's a disgrace to the office. I can't accept that the Russians hacked the DNC and tried to influence the election, because that would mean considering the possibility that my preferred candidate didn't win on his own merits."
Look at it this way... you know the disgust you feel knowing the President is an inveterate liar, incompetent, bigoted and wildly corrupt? Imagine having to even consider that possibility when you held Trump up as a hero based on the hype surrounding his campaign. It's like the police showing up at your door and telling you that your doting, loving father has actually been perpetrating a massive fraud scheme for 30 years. You'd react to it as if the police were attacking you, personally, because it would shatter your most closely held beliefs.
Thebobo
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So check this out might not be true but looks more and more so. So apparently there are more investigations then we knew about?
"BOMBSHELL: Guess Where James Comey Was 24 Hours Before Trump Fired Him"
Read the complete story - http://reverbpress.com/politics/bombshell-guess-james-comey-24-hours-trump-fired/
"...........
The original sourcing on this story is thin, but I’m going out on a limb because the source has seemingly been corroborated twice.
It was not widely reported, but a former Bill Clinton White House staffer, and veteran of three presidential campaigns, Claude Taylor, has been tweeting information that he has gained from “sources” he apparently has from his political career. On April 28th, he tweeted that a source told him, “two grand juries have convened and I know that one is almost complete.”
.......
So, according to the original source for this story, which was seemingly partially confirmed by Comey himself, the FBI Director was at the US Attorney’s office in the Eastern District of Virginia, which is possibly the location of a grand jury investigating the Trump/Russia connection, about 24 hours before Trump fired him. If this is true, it would be an unprecedented firing of an FBI Director deep into the process of leading an investigation of possible criminal acts by the president.
Again, this is thin sourcing, and it raises as many questions as it answers, but the apparent corroborations lend Taylor’s citizen reporting credence. If his sources are accurate, an investigation may be moving faster behind the scenes than is being widely reported. And Comey’s firing may have been an act of desperation from a White House struggling to keep pace with an investigation into the dark heart of how it came to power."
"BOMBSHELL: Guess Where James Comey Was 24 Hours Before Trump Fired Him"
Read the complete story - http://reverbpress.com/politics/bombshell-guess-james-comey-24-hours-trump-fired/
"...........
The original sourcing on this story is thin, but I’m going out on a limb because the source has seemingly been corroborated twice.
It was not widely reported, but a former Bill Clinton White House staffer, and veteran of three presidential campaigns, Claude Taylor, has been tweeting information that he has gained from “sources” he apparently has from his political career. On April 28th, he tweeted that a source told him, “two grand juries have convened and I know that one is almost complete.”
.......
So, according to the original source for this story, which was seemingly partially confirmed by Comey himself, the FBI Director was at the US Attorney’s office in the Eastern District of Virginia, which is possibly the location of a grand jury investigating the Trump/Russia connection, about 24 hours before Trump fired him. If this is true, it would be an unprecedented firing of an FBI Director deep into the process of leading an investigation of possible criminal acts by the president.
Again, this is thin sourcing, and it raises as many questions as it answers, but the apparent corroborations lend Taylor’s citizen reporting credence. If his sources are accurate, an investigation may be moving faster behind the scenes than is being widely reported. And Comey’s firing may have been an act of desperation from a White House struggling to keep pace with an investigation into the dark heart of how it came to power."
Yes they are under similar laws in the U.K. If the information is classified here there's a good chance it is classified there.
The U.K. government could decide to do that but they won't. It would be totally unprecedented for the U.K. to attempt to topple a sitting US administration.
Grooveriding
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I'm sure there are plenty of people who voted for Trump that are not cultists. I'd lay a guess though that a lot of them are accounted for by strongly partisan voters. People who can look at Trump and see the imbecile there, but still voted for him because they wanted the Republican party to win and what it stands for. Probably a group just as difficult to talk down from the cliff, this is not going to be different than a partisan Democrat, the difference being with the Republican, you are letting your partisanship cause you to ignore a fundamentally unsound and dangerous man becoming President via your vote.
I think for Trump cultists a lot of it can be attributed to plain laziness. Not wanting to take the time to disseminate all the information, preferring your daily dose of an inflammatory jpeg image, Youtube video, Twitter post or brief ingestion of a news headline from a lunatic fringe website. A lot of people will just not want to put the effort into informing themselves. Then there will be the plain stupid group, who operate better being told what to think as long as it confirms their biases. Who'd rather believe a lie that they like than a truth that they hate.
According to Politico, Trump was discussing firing Comey with Roger Stone, who is likely one of the targets of the FBI's investigation. Shockingly enough, Stone was a big fan of the idea of getting rid of the guy in charge of investigating him. If that's true Trump has put himself at risk of obstruction of justice charges.
At this rate you kind of have to wonder if Trump will be the first president to end his term in prison.
At this rate you kind of have to wonder if Trump will be the first president to end his term in prison.
Hayabusa Rider
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If MI6 acts independent of the larger government in such a politically charged act it will have created it's own crisis of government and perhaps bring it down with major chains on the agency as a result. This would have a larger impact on them than Trump firing Comey.
Jaskalas
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That's the thing. I do not watch a lot of cable news and mostly the bits I catch are Foxnews. When it comes to the Republicans there is no importance placed on investigations into Trump. It's given a distant veil passed off as being Democrat attacks against the President. A partisan side show. Benghazi!?
Comey's
Which means there will be a resulting gulf between parties as to responding to this "event".
Hayabusa Rider
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mikeymikec
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To what end (and what purpose that serves MI6)? Theresa May made it quite clear that she wants to be Trump's friend, and MI6 breaking from that without the government's go-ahead is guaranteed to result in heads rolling, unless the truth regarding Trump is the most extreme (e.g. Trump intended to ally the US with Russia), in which case I very much doubt that MI6 would need to "go rogue"; it would just take its findings to the UK government and gov.uk would handle it from there.
Grooveriding
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It does look like a resolution to Trump is going to require a martyr. Someone on the inside or someone in law enforcement or intelligence that breaks the law and puts forth all the information they have to the public, then letting the public and media push forward on that information.
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That's pretty much where I am with all of this. The GOP is spineless and spent 75% of the Yates hearing trying to steer towards Hillary and Leaks rather than the real issue at hand of absolute national security and the foundation of our democracy. We'll get no help from them and since we have a broken government where the party in the majority controls even the ability to *truly* investigate...we'll get nothing from them.
It will take a martyr as you said to fall on the sword and release all of this. But sadly at that point it probably will no longer be used as any useful intelligence and serve as nothing but a huge amount of political fuel to keep the resistance burning through 2018 and beyond so that we can get some real progress.
Grooveriding
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It's a small chance. First someone who is willing to risk a life in prison and then, considering it would be a leak, the ability of Trump's regime to try and discredit the information because of the way it was released.
I suppose an alternative is taking out ads narrated by Alex Jones during Fox & Friends that extol the virtues of eating a 24pc of KFC and 2lbs of fries twice daily to promote hair growth and penile girth
I suppose an alternative is taking out ads narrated by Alex Jones during Fox & Friends that extol the virtues of eating a 24pc of KFC and 2lbs of fries twice daily to promote hair growth and penile girth
Hayabusa Rider
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Maybe not. Deep State might be about to spring a thousand leaks and in this case I couldn't blame people who are caught in the ethical dilemma of maintaining proper procedure vs principles against unlawfulness weighing in towards the latter. Bring enough out of the darkness into the light and any martyr might be a hero who lived to tell the tale. Damn, it's hard to be a realist looking for an optimistic outcome.
Jaskalas
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OTOH, Hannity and company aside... #Nevertrump and #Pence2018 movements in the GOP are quite excited over this.
Bonus points if you read the comments. Provides a lot of insight into the gulf I was describing before.
Bonus points if you read the comments. Provides a lot of insight into the gulf I was describing before.
Haha, good question. It would almost certainly have to be part of some sort of impeachment proceeding which of course would require Republicans to demonstrate some sort of integrity. Chances are good that the following president would ensure he didn't go to jail but still if that is true then that's frankly likely criminal behavior.
Trump has of course denied talking to Stone but, well, we all know you can't believe anything he says.
brandonbull
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I thought we are finding out now if the US is a failed state after 8 years of Dictator in Chief.
IronWing
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Oh crap! We got arrows people, we got arrows! And an f'n highlighter; shit's got real!
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