Trump dissolved a working JCPOA. How much blame should Trump get for Israel and Iraq being at war?

[HomerJS]

Israel claims they are trying to stop Iraq's weapons grade enrichment program so they don't get a weapon. According to the IAEA and world governing bodies we had a working Iraq nuclear deal when Obama left office that Trump killed in his first term.

How much blame should be assigned for the current conflict?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Gabbard stated just a couple of months ago Iran was not working on nor near completing a working nuclear weapon program. He said he doesn't care what she thinks and says that they are.

This is his own for the most part.

https://www.axios.com/2025/06/17/trump-gabbard-iran-nuclear-weapon-testimony

 

[Pontius Dilate]

I gave Trump 40%. 20% for blowing up the JCPOA and 20% for being such an easily manipulated demented narcissist idiot that he is happy to be Bibi's little sock puppet. 60% goes to Bibi and the rest of the criminals in the Israeli government for kicking this off.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I gave Trump 40%. 20% for blowing up the JCPOA and 20% for being such an easily manipulated demented narcissist idiot that he is happy to be Bibi's little sock puppet. 60% goes to Bibi and the rest of the criminals in the Israeli government for kicking this off.

I think it was fair to blame him 100%, since a working agreement with Iran was in place when Obama left office.

Once again, just thinking about these things, I want to go out in public despite today's 100F heat, find a Trump supporter and deliver a round-house smack in his/her face with 5 year's reconstructive surgery. Trump inspires political violence in thought as well as in deed.

 

[Jaskalas]

How much blame should be assigned for the current conflict?

How much blame does Trump give Obama and Biden for Russia invading Ukraine?
Case closed. 100%

 

[Pontius Dilate]

I think it was fair to blame him 100%, since a working agreement with Iran was in place when Obama left office.

Once again, just thinking about these things, I want to go out in public despite today's 100F heat, find a Trump supporter and deliver a round-house smack in his/her face with 5 year's reconstructive surgery. Trump inspires political violence in thought as well as in deed.

Totally respect that and can agree. I think I'm operating under the assumption that even if Trump had not managed to undo the agreement for whatever reason, Bibi would still have found a way to kick this off and bring Trump along.

 

[HomerJS]

Totally respect that and can agree. I think I'm operating under the assumption that even if Trump had not managed to undo the agreement for whatever reason, Bibi would still have found a way to kick this off and bring Trump along.

That why I score it 50%. Bibi gets the other half

 

[ivwshane]

Totally respect that and can agree. I think I'm operating under the assumption that even if Trump had not managed to undo the agreement for whatever reason, Bibi would still have found a way to kick this off and bring Trump along.

It certainly looks like bibi manipulated Trump into destroying the agreement, which would give cover/pretext for Israel to attack Iran.

I put 100% of the blame on Israel unless an independent body can verify Israel’s claim.

 

[HomerJS]

Think about this, we are about to enter a war where...

Trump ended a working JCPOA to spite Obama
Bibi since the 90s said Iran was "weeks' from a nuclear bomb. He has said this almost 10 times to date.
Trump said he is ignoring his own DNI where she said Iran is no where close to a bomb
Trump is about to make a decision to enter our troops into war using foreign intelligence that could be a lie.

I'm changing my blame vote to 60%

 

[Heartbreaker]

While Trump is a major world problem, in this case, he doesn't really seems to be much of a factor. With Trump Israel is less likely to face any US sanctions, but IMO they would have gone ahead regardless, because this Iran campaign has been planned for years, and the precursor work has been done.

Israel was never party to party to JCPOA, and didn't consider itself bound by, so it's kind of irrelevant.

Israel has been teeing this one up for a couple of years. The main visible actions were 2022-24 (Biden years).

Israel worked on dismantling Hezbollah, and wiping out most of their leaders and capability, and now Iran can't easily resupply/rebuild them through Syria.

Assad regime falling was a windfall gift to Israel that ended them as an Iran ally, and supply line for Hezbollah, and Israel also obliterated their military capability during the chaos and aftermath, just in case.

This means with two Iran allies/Proxies in their back yard crushed, Israel can focus on Iran. In hindsight the campaigns against Syria's and Hezbollah's capability is now clear.

With all the prelude work done, and what could be a unique window of opportunity, IMO they would have gone ahead even with Kamala Harris in the Whitehouse threatening sanctions, and JCPOA supported.

IMO, this is a major campaign aimed at doing serious damage to Iran regime, and taking out their military capability, along with degrading nuclear aspirations.

 

[balloonshark]

The president is a grown ass man so no blame should go to any other party. What happened to the buck stops here?

 

[HomerJS]

While Trump is a major world problem, in this case, he doesn't really seems to be much of a factor. With Trump Israel is less likely to face any US sanctions, but IMO they would have gone ahead regardless, because this Iran campaign has been planned for years, and the precursor work has been done.

Israel was never party to party to JCPOA, and didn't consider itself bound by, so it's kind of irrelevant.

Israel has been teeing this one up for a couple of years. The main visible actions were 2022-24 (Biden years).

Israel worked on dismantling Hezbollah, and wiping out most of their leaders and capability, and now Iran can't easily resupply/rebuild them through Syria.

Assad regime falling was a windfall gift to Israel that ended them as an Iran ally, and supply line for Hezbollah, and Israel also obliterated their military capability during the chaos and aftermath, just in case.

This means with two Iran allies/Proxies in their back yard crushed, Israel can focus on Iran. In hindsight the campaigns against Syria's and Hezbollah's capability is now clear.

With all the prelude work done, and what could be a unique window of opportunity, IMO they would have gone ahead even with Kamala Harris in the Whitehouse threatening sanctions, and JCPOA supported.

IMO, this is a major campaign aimed at doing serious damage to Iran regime, and taking out their military capability, along with degrading nuclear aspirations.

So you believe Bibi THIS TIME when he says Iran is weeks away from a bomb?

 

[Heartbreaker]

So you believe Bibi THIS TIME when he says Iran is weeks away from a bomb?

No. I believe they had a long term plan to cripple Iran's capability regardless of how far/close that capability is.

 

[brycejones]

While Trump is a major world problem, in this case, he doesn't really seems to be much of a factor. With Trump Israel is less likely to face any US sanctions, but IMO they would have gone ahead regardless, because this Iran campaign has been planned for years, and the precursor work has been done.

Israel was never party to party to JCPOA, and didn't consider itself bound by, so it's kind of irrelevant.

Israel has been teeing this one up for a couple of years. The main visible actions were 2022-24 (Biden years).

Israel worked on dismantling Hezbollah, and wiping out most of their leaders and capability, and now Iran can't easily resupply/rebuild them through Syria.

Assad regime falling was a windfall gift to Israel that ended them as an Iran ally, and supply line for Hezbollah, and Israel also obliterated their military capability during the chaos and aftermath, just in case.

This means with two Iran allies/Proxies in their back yard crushed, Israel can focus on Iran. In hindsight the campaigns against Syria's and Hezbollah's capability is now clear.

With all the prelude work done, and what could be a unique window of opportunity, IMO they would have gone ahead even with Kamala Harris in the Whitehouse threatening sanctions, and JCPOA supported.

IMO, this is a major campaign aimed at doing serious damage to Iran regime, and taking out their military capability, along with degrading nuclear aspirations.

You really misspelled:

Bibi needs to distract from his criminal cases and failure to obtain the return of all the hostages from Gaza.

 

[HomerJS]

No. I believe they had a long term plan to cripple Iran's capability regardless of how far/close that capability is.

Do you you think our military should enter the war just on the word of Israel?